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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:44:10 GMT -5
It won't change until AEW hits weekly tv because all Vince sees are those tv ratings. Yeah they're declining but there's no real alternative yet to launch. Once that happens, he'll either adapt or fail. It is what it is. I think you're probably right in this is Vince's mindset in all likliehood. But for f***'s sake, you'd think he'd realise "Shit, I need to start laying some groundworks for the new horizon". Surely it makes more sense to have used the time between Mania & AEW/Fox move to lay foundations for the changes that he thinks would best help. Does he really have no long term vision? Did he ever?
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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2019 16:46:02 GMT -5
Scary Thought: This is Vince's Best
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 29, 2019 16:47:29 GMT -5
Because Vince don't give a f***, brah, hahahahaha.
As long as he's collecting his Saudi blood money, his TV money, and the various other avenues that WWE has successfully crossed over into, he's gucci.
Like, I really don't think people fully understand how big WWE is rn. "Elephant dollars" doesn't even begin to describe it.
This company would have to bleed money for a long LONG time to be even lose to any kind of real toruble.
If you honestly believed AEW was gonna make WWE change their way of doing things after one show or after even twenty shows, you're dreaming and, again, are greatly underestimating how big modern WWE is. Nearly 20 years of going unchallenged in the marketplace has lead to an enviornment of complacency that's not gonna be broken any time soon.
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Post by ANuclearError on May 29, 2019 16:56:09 GMT -5
I think you're probably right in this is Vince's mindset in all likliehood. But for f***'s sake, you'd think he'd realise "Shit, I need to start laying some groundworks for the new horizon". Surely it makes more sense to have used the time between Mania & AEW/Fox move to lay foundations for the changes that he thinks would best help. Does he really have no long term vision? Did he ever?
Nah, he's the type that has to have his back against the wall to retaliate. I genuinely can't think of a long term vision of his after "Kill the territories". |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:59:52 GMT -5
Nah, he's the type that has to have his back against the wall to retaliate. I genuinely can't think of a long term vision of his after "Kill the territories". Vince is probably gonna have to be stomped out in the ratings by AEW before he realizes something has to change lmao. Dudes gonna be leaving left and right lol. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 29, 2019 17:01:39 GMT -5
When Vince bought WCW he won, and he told himself that he won because he was the best. WCW was able to bring him a challenge when he was still feisty, now he's settled into the complacent certainty he's great and he stands in opposition to his own audience rather than anyone else. Back twenty years ago he was willing to listen to people to get an edge. Now he doesn't listen to anyone period. Also I think he's completely blind to the fact that WCW's management was... never competent. At no point in its history, at all. They stumbled ass-backwards into every success they ever had and there were constantly things being screwed up along the way. They did a lot more to kill themselves than he did. I'd argue that the Kip Frey era of management was competent a big step in the right direction for WCW and wrestling in general. He'd realised fans want a good product with enjoyable matches so decided to put some of that Turner money toward rewarding workers for hard work to motivate them to try. He saw guys like Pillman as the future of the wrestling and signed them up and unlike many in wrestling, he realised he knew nothing about writing the show so got out of the way to let the booking team book the best show they could with guys like Vader, Sting, Cactus Jack and the Dangerous Alliance doing great things compared to the stagnant WWF at the time... So naturally, they sidelined him to give Bill Watts free reign and undo all his work as best he could, driving the future of wrestling right out the door if he could, and bullying those who refused to give up their big money deals. He had the last laugh as he's hugely successful and respected outside of wrestling. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:23:35 GMT -5
Also I think he's completely blind to the fact that WCW's management was... never competent. At no point in its history, at all. They stumbled ass-backwards into every success they ever had and there were constantly things being screwed up along the way. They did a lot more to kill themselves than he did. I'd argue that the Kip Frey era of management was competent a big step in the right direction for WCW and wrestling in general. He'd realised fans want a good product with enjoyable matches so decided to put some of that Turner money toward rewarding workers for hard work to motivate them to try. He saw guys like Pillman as the future of the wrestling and signed them up and unlike many in wrestling, he realised he knew nothing about writing the show so got out of the way to let the booking team book the best show they could with guys like Vader, Sting, Cactus Jack and the Dangerous Alliance doing great things compared to the stagnant WWF at the time... So naturally, they sidelined him to give Bill Watts free reign and undo all his work as best he could, driving the future of wrestling right out the door if he could, and bullying those who refused to give up their big money deals. He had the last laugh as he's hugely successful and respected outside of wrestling. That kind of illustrates my point if anything. You had a guy who had a vision and was looking to build morale, only for those higher up to go, "Nah, too much money, get out." |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 29, 2019 17:24:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure this will be the time when it finally lights a fire under him. They have these huge TV deals to wait out.
I think that when they start getting through those deals and the ratings continue to tank that things might actually have to change.
And given his mother is still alive(!) he's likely going to outlive all of us.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 29, 2019 17:25:14 GMT -5
When Vince bought WCW he won, and he told himself that he won because he was the best. WCW was able to bring him a challenge when he was still feisty, now he's settled into the complacent certainty he's great and he stands in opposition to his own audience rather than anyone else. Back twenty years ago he was willing to listen to people to get an edge. Now he doesn't listen to anyone period. Also I think he's completely blind to the fact that WCW's management was... never competent. At no point in its history, at all. They stumbled ass-backwards into every success they ever had and there were constantly things being screwed up along the way. They did a lot more to kill themselves than he did. Vince is a man of ego, of course he's going to believe that he beat them for his own glory and that their failings were less a driving factor in their demise than they were proof he was better than they were. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:41:44 GMT -5
It won't change until AEW hits weekly tv because all Vince sees are those tv ratings. Yeah they're declining but there's no real alternative yet to launch. Once that happens, he'll either adapt or fail. It is what it is. He's not adapting.......he's older than my retired father. Can you legit even picture a man that is nearing 80 years old trying to find the next pop culture trend to latch onto? He needs to step aside and realize he should enjoy all the money he's made and go home and relax. I think the ridiculous workload is what keeps him alive, he would die in a month if retired. |
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 29, 2019 17:53:18 GMT -5
Vince isn’t scared yet.
Wait for television.
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Post by fw91 on May 29, 2019 19:03:53 GMT -5
but the catch is... what is the culture these days? the late 90's was a cultural boom in itself, allowing WWE/Vince to follow the times to dominate the end of the wars, with crash tv and shock jock attitude era tendencies.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 29, 2019 19:14:58 GMT -5
Vince is so out of touch that even if AEW started pasting him like WCW he wouldn't be able to do the things he did to pull through last time. He was told he was a genius for so long that he actually believed it.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 29, 2019 19:16:23 GMT -5
I mean, it's nice that Vince isn't booking like this to spite people, he just genuinely think he's putting on a good show.
That exact thing is also really sad as well.
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Post by Matt on May 29, 2019 19:27:44 GMT -5
It’s not going to touch his ratings either.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on May 29, 2019 19:34:08 GMT -5
Nah, he's the type that has to have his back against the wall to retaliate. I genuinely can't think of a long term vision of his after "Kill the territories". That's selling Vince McMahon woefully short. Sure, he's out of touch for the current era. That's not debatable, in my opinion. But to say that he never had any long term vision is disingenuous. He bought the company based on his vision for something that nobody thought was possible - a truly international professional wrestling promotion. That alone was bigger than "kill the territories", and to be honest, I think killing the territories was simply a by-product of a bigger plan. Cable TV changed everything, and Vince saw it coming a mile away and years before anyone else (at least anyone else who could do something about it). Bill Watts and the Crocketts both tried to do "national" and failed because they didn't understand the new technology (Cable, PPV) and how it would change the industry. Vince succeeded because he did. Syndicated national shows on cable, building a promotion on TV instead of around local live events, etc. all were long term visions that panned out. Vince needs to let go, I 100% agree with that. But he was the pioneer. |
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Post by Juice on May 29, 2019 23:27:25 GMT -5
Don't worry, Vince has some good shit planned. If this isn’t the biggest Vince meme of all time from now on I’ll be disappointed |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 30, 2019 0:29:21 GMT -5
I genuinely can't think of a long term vision of his after "Kill the territories". That's selling Vince McMahon woefully short. Sure, he's out of touch for the current era. That's not debatable, in my opinion. But to say that he never had any long term vision is disingenuous. He bought the company based on his vision for something that nobody thought was possible - a truly international professional wrestling promotion. That alone was bigger than "kill the territories", and to be honest, I think killing the territories was simply a by-product of a bigger plan. Cable TV changed everything, and Vince saw it coming a mile away and years before anyone else (at least anyone else who could do something about it). Bill Watts and the Crocketts both tried to do "national" and failed because they didn't understand the new technology (Cable, PPV) and how it would change the industry. Vince succeeded because he did. Syndicated national shows on cable, building a promotion on TV instead of around local live events, etc. all were long term visions that panned out. Vince needs to let go, I 100% agree with that. But he was the pioneer. Yeah he's way out of touch now but dude was guy with the vision to make the WWF a national and eventually international promotion. That doesn't happen on accident or without vision. Dude was a marketing machine and gave the people the larger than life 80s cartoon action hero in Hulk Hogan (Hulk's charisma carried it but without McMahon marketing it doesn't become the global phenomenon(tm)) The territories were dying and an outdated model and Vince was the one that capitalized on that the best but was not the only one that tried. Dude just has no concept of what people want anymore and really hasn't since the early 90s... he was just more willing to listen to others back in the attitude era because he was younger and he HAD to. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 30, 2019 1:42:40 GMT -5
Once AEW gets their feet wet with consistent television we might see a little change. But at this point fans are better off just continuing to watch a more coherent product. When AEW debuts on television, my belief is more people will most likely drift away from the WWE, embracing the much fresher and exciting product of AEW.
The sad reality is TNA could've been that legitimate competition to the WWE at one point. Vince wasn't as set in his ways when TNA was slowly rising and they could've literally lit a spark under him. Instead of becoming a true alternative to the WWE, desperation and wanting some form of relevant attention made them become WWE lite rather than their own entity.
Only time will tell what AEW will bring to the table. Until then people need to just completely stop watching WWE, cancel their subscription, don't order their events, and find a way not to give them your time and money. At the same time the climate is a lot different compared to when the Monday Night Wars were going on. At that point and time there wasn't hardly any alternative entertainment, social media wasn't a thing, no Netflix, no Hulu, no Amazon Prime, and no online gameplay.
Here in 2019 we have so much more entertainment at our fingertips that I think the next big thing in wrestling is next to impossible.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 30, 2019 1:50:05 GMT -5
McMahon’s reaction to competition is and has always been to crush it as soon as possible.
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