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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 29, 2019 15:30:14 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez has made this point over the last few days. Many, myself included, have said that once someone shows up with a product that resonates with people, he'll snap out of this complacent garbage he's been putting out and start putting out a worthwhile product again.
Double or Nothing happened, and his response was to do the first hour of RAW with basically no wrestling.
I realize AEW has only put on one (critically praised) show, but that was his f***ing response? An hour of yapping and Shane squashing Lance Anoa'i?
This isn't the way to go down, Vince. You don't have it anymore. Go run your vanity football and let someone else write the show.
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Post by Juice on May 29, 2019 15:33:21 GMT -5
I trained with Lance once upon a time. If that’s what’s Vince wants I’ll eat squashes for 500 bucks
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:36:44 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think competition will make much of a difference because Vince is just too far in his own head at this point. The only way things are getting better is when he's gone.
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Post by H-Virus on May 29, 2019 15:42:32 GMT -5
Things won't change, they'll just keep throwing out new gimmicks on the show to give the illusion of change like they've been doing since the year began.
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2019 15:46:49 GMT -5
People usually retire or have a succession plan long before they reach Vinces age, his is only going to get worse as he gets older.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 29, 2019 15:54:12 GMT -5
When Vince bought WCW he won, and he told himself that he won because he was the best. WCW was able to bring him a challenge when he was still feisty, now he's settled into the complacent certainty he's great and he stands in opposition to his own audience rather than anyone else. Back twenty years ago he was willing to listen to people to get an edge. Now he doesn't listen to anyone period.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:58:42 GMT -5
It won't change until AEW hits weekly tv because all Vince sees are those tv ratings. Yeah they're declining but there's no real alternative yet to launch. Once that happens, he'll either adapt or fail. It is what it is.
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2019 16:01:59 GMT -5
It won't change until AEW hits weekly tv because all Vince sees are those tv ratings. Yeah they're declining but there's no real alternative yet to launch. Once that happens, he'll either adapt or fail. It is what it is. He's not adapting.......he's older than my retired father. Can you legit even picture a man that is nearing 80 years old trying to find the next pop culture trend to latch onto? He needs to step aside and realize he should enjoy all the money he's made and go home and relax.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:05:53 GMT -5
Don't worry, Vince has some good shit planned.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:16:02 GMT -5
competition makes him hoard with no idea what to do with his oversized roster
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on May 29, 2019 16:16:57 GMT -5
My theory is that Vince McMahon no longer views WWE as even PARTLY a "wrestling" company. He views it as a straight-up entertainment company, and is beginning to run it as such. So, something like AEW won't even move the dial a little bit for Vince. He won't view them as competition, since he doesn't believe they are in the same business. AEW might as well be Hersey, or Starbucks. Vince believes that the future of WWE is against competition like Disney or Fox, not piddly little pro wrestling companies.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:18:33 GMT -5
It was best described as for the next 5yrs WWE is literally stupid proof with all the TV rights money they will be swimming in.
The old fart is gonna do whatever he wants because he can with next to no consequences , so even if AEW pulled ratings in similar standing it probably means very little now in his mind.
Unless FOX and USA get in his ass nothing will change internally.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:20:42 GMT -5
When Vince bought WCW he won, and he told himself that he won because he was the best. WCW was able to bring him a challenge when he was still feisty, now he's settled into the complacent certainty he's great and he stands in opposition to his own audience rather than anyone else. Back twenty years ago he was willing to listen to people to get an edge. Now he doesn't listen to anyone period. Also I think he's completely blind to the fact that WCW's management was... never competent. At no point in its history, at all. They stumbled ass-backwards into every success they ever had and there were constantly things being screwed up along the way. They did a lot more to kill themselves than he did.
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Post by Perd on May 29, 2019 16:23:36 GMT -5
Moxley on TiJ is further proof that nothing’s going to chance. Vince thinks this is all “good shit”. It’s everyone else who’s wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:26:05 GMT -5
Its not like competition makes him flip his creative switch from shitty to good remember in 95 when WCW started with Nitro it took almost 2 years for WWF to Git Gud.
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Post by ANuclearError on May 29, 2019 16:31:21 GMT -5
It won't change until AEW hits weekly tv because all Vince sees are those tv ratings. Yeah they're declining but there's no real alternative yet to launch. Once that happens, he'll either adapt or fail. It is what it is. I think you're probably right in this is Vince's mindset in all likliehood. But for f***'s sake, you'd think he'd realise "Shit, I need to start laying some groundworks for the new horizon".
Surely it makes more sense to have used the time between Mania & AEW/Fox move to lay foundations for the changes that he thinks would best help.
Does he really have no long term vision? Did he ever?
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Post by auph10imitated on May 29, 2019 16:35:38 GMT -5
I’m sorry but if anyone thought one show was going to quake Vince in his boots and change the landscape of WWE you are sorely mistaken. It took a good 2 years before WWF took WCW seriously. They didn’t give a crap that that snapped up Hogan and Savage and co in 1994, they probably didn’t give a crap when Nitro debuted, but once things started to build he began to feel the pressure. I’ll say it’s going to take the same amount of time for him to take AEW serious
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 29, 2019 16:39:06 GMT -5
He probably did 20 years ago, but he's in his 70s. At some point you just aren't what ya were.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 29, 2019 16:40:02 GMT -5
During the first Raw tapings that took place after Nitro debuted in 1995, Vince countered with:
The ongoing Undertaker/Mabel feud (which came to an abrupt end that night due to Mabel legit injuring Taker)
Smoking Gunns defeating Owen/Yoko for the belts
A 900 number promoted throughout the show to call in and vote if you thought OJ was guilty or not
The return of Marty Jannetty in over a year
PG-13 wrestling. Twice. And one of those was for the Gunns' new titles
Smoking Gunns' above-mentioned title win ending with HBK and Diesel posing in the ring.
A Taker/Bulldog main ending with HBK and Diesel posing in the ring.
HHH vs Doink
Bret Hart vs a pirate
Bret Hart vs a dentist
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 29, 2019 16:41:20 GMT -5
The billion dollar TV deal is what may ultimately kill the WWE. They rewarded Vince handsomely for failing to do his job, to put on an entertaining show that generates genuine buzz and attracts new fans, simply because everything else that produces a similar amount of TV is declining at a faster rate than wrestling. He's sure that if he keeps at it, fans will cave and return to his product, if not he'll just buy the stars of the wrestling shows they do like and have them tread water in the midcard, cutting promos for Vnce, by Vince, where they sound exactly like Vince... Of course, it doesn't occur to him that talent may not actually want to tread water in his midcard, cutting promos about pooper scoopers, if they get any mic time at all.
I honestly don't believe anything short of death will stop Vince from micromanaging the WWE at this point, even if his kids took over, he'd do to them what Henry Ford did to Edsel and undercut their modernisation attempts at every turn. Don't get me wrong, I don't wish him dead, I just think that thanks to Vince, the WWE are on the verge of a 1991-1997 style decline one the company may not pull out of, even with competition, they had WCW then too and it dtill dodn't motivate Vince to do great things for most of that run, even during the periods they had their act together, booking wise.
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