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Post by Fundertaker on Jun 10, 2019 7:02:51 GMT -5
So... kinda buried in everything that went down yesterday, NJPW announced that there will be a new edition of the Super J Cup this year... AND IT'S ENTIRELY IN THE US!
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 10, 2019 7:17:23 GMT -5
Seriously if this tour goes well (as in, doesn't wind up to be some sort of disaster, ticket sales or otherwise) it'll be another major step in NJPW getting more of a U.S. foothold.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Jun 10, 2019 7:35:34 GMT -5
That could be real fun. The BOSJ this year was amongst the best it's ever been.
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Post by Convoy on Jun 10, 2019 8:03:05 GMT -5
That's pretty interesting just over two months out. Apparently it has 16 competitors from NJPW/CMLL/ROH, and probably some from RPW.
Could be an awesome tour, and likely decide Ospreay's title defense at Royal Quest (or King of Pro-Wrestling).
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Post by thetower52 on Jun 10, 2019 9:10:25 GMT -5
I guess I’m going up to Tacoma
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 10, 2019 10:03:42 GMT -5
Damn, and just a week ahead of All Out. Obviously not direct competition given that they're nowhere near one another geographically for these shows, but it's still notable given the shared market the two seem to have.
The smaller venues are a smart choice, though; the big problem for G1 in Dallas all along has been that NJPW already had their big "come travel from around the country/world to see us!" US show at MSG, AEW has come along and gotten other fans to travel for DoN and possibly will for All Out, as well, so running a theater and a student life center, each of which will likely hold no more than 1,000 people, makes sense.
Big test will be Walter Pyramid, though; running there too often led to the second card there not drawing as well, so interesting to see how this shakes out.
In the end, though, if they really want to drive home the alliance with CMLL/ROH/RevPro, stuff like this is the way to do it.
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -5
In the end, though, if they really want to drive home the alliance with CMLL/ROH/RevPro, stuff like this is the way to do it. That’s the more interesting stuff about all this to me. With all the talk from people about ROH’s reputation and such and how an alliance with AEW feels inevitable, there is still a case of deals and contracts and loyalty to think about. Especially the rumors from Japan that Moxley was told not to mention AEW in his post match promo, which puts into question what his status will be with the company come October. As you said, this seems like a good way of trying to rebuild things and capitalize on the talent ROH does still have and the benefits the relationship has compared to starting something new with an unproven company.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 14:55:31 GMT -5
It's neat in theory, but I can't actually get excited until I know who will be in it.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jun 10, 2019 17:16:53 GMT -5
It’s a nice surprise to get a Super J Cup in the United States. California is too far for me but if you live near enough you should definitely go. That’s wrestling history right there.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 10, 2019 20:39:53 GMT -5
I guess Liger wants revenge for losing to Taichi in 3 minutes.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jun 11, 2019 4:01:36 GMT -5
I guess Liger wants revenge for losing to Taichi in 3 minutes. Taichi's a heavyweight now, no way he'll be in a Super J Cup
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 11, 2019 4:32:03 GMT -5
I really like the idea here. The biggest issue with New Japan's past US shows was that they really felt like filler outside of the dangling carrot of Bullet Club-centric shit going down. Bringing back the Super J cup as a couple US-based shows at least provides a throughline and a hook for writing they haven't had since the first Long Beach trip with the US title. A short US tour with a tournament is definitely a good way to test the waters on finding balance and appeal for the audience and I doubly like they're using something as established as the Super J cup and also leaning more firmly on being New Japan. I think pinning their hopes on The Elite for expansion was always a flawed idea even if they stayed, but this? This can be the right stuff
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 11, 2019 5:27:03 GMT -5
I really like the idea here. The biggest issue with New Japan's past US shows was that they really felt like filler outside of the dangling carrot of Bullet Club-centric shit going down. Bringing back the Super J cup as a couple US-based shows at least provides a throughline and a hook for writing they haven't had since the first Long Beach trip with the US title. A short US tour with a tournament is definitely a good way to test the waters on finding balance and appeal for the audience and I doubly like they're using something as established as the Super J cup and also leaning more firmly on being New Japan. I think pinning their hopes on The Elite for expansion was always a flawed idea even if they stayed, but this? This can be the right stuff How does the dangling carrot of the Bullet Club angle between ELP and Robbie Eagles compare? Does neither of them being American make any tangible difference?
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Post by chrom on Jun 11, 2019 7:40:12 GMT -5
Sounds exciting
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 11, 2019 9:47:31 GMT -5
I really like the idea here. The biggest issue with New Japan's past US shows was that they really felt like filler outside of the dangling carrot of Bullet Club-centric shit going down. Bringing back the Super J cup as a couple US-based shows at least provides a throughline and a hook for writing they haven't had since the first Long Beach trip with the US title. A short US tour with a tournament is definitely a good way to test the waters on finding balance and appeal for the audience and I doubly like they're using something as established as the Super J cup and also leaning more firmly on being New Japan. I think pinning their hopes on The Elite for expansion was always a flawed idea even if they stayed, but this? This can be the right stuff How does the dangling carrot of the Bullet Club angle between ELP and Robbie Eagles compare? Does neither of them being American make any tangible difference? Not for origin so much as for appeal; they focused on the Cody/Kenny conflict because it was an easy draw for American fans given that The Elite were successful guys on the American scene and they were using Kenny as the face of their US expansions. It wasn't very well executed for a myriad of complicated reasons, but the idea of blowing off this big story with these guys popular in the west wasn't necessarily the smartest or best strategy, but it was an understandable one. Bullet Club as it is now lacks the immediate appeal to US fans because they've lost The Elite and with that some people who would probably only tune in because of them, but they now instead have a fanbase more strongly interested in New Japan itself. So shows now can't really be sold on Bullet Club, but that's fine because instead of one specific brand they can market their whole product.
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Post by chrom on Jul 4, 2019 10:15:53 GMT -5
Tickets went on sale last week
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Post by corndog on Jul 4, 2019 15:29:41 GMT -5
How does the dangling carrot of the Bullet Club angle between ELP and Robbie Eagles compare? Does neither of them being American make any tangible difference? Not for origin so much as for appeal; they focused on the Cody/Kenny conflict because it was an easy draw for American fans given that The Elite were successful guys on the American scene and they were using Kenny as the face of their US expansions. It wasn't very well executed for a myriad of complicated reasons, but the idea of blowing off this big story with these guys popular in the west wasn't necessarily the smartest or best strategy, but it was an understandable one. Bullet Club as it is now lacks the immediate appeal to US fans because they've lost The Elite and with that some people who would probably only tune in because of them, but they now instead have a fanbase more strongly interested in New Japan itself. So shows now can't really be sold on Bullet Club, but that's fine because instead of one specific brand they can market their whole product. The ELP/Eagles feud probably adds more interest from Europe and Australia than it would in the states. But unlike Kenny/Cody that was done for the wrong reasons and didn't really add to other stories, this one has layers and feeds into other elements, especially Ospreay. It's one of the reasons I loved the BOSJ so much this year. It was more than just the jr. heavyweights doing flippy stuff, there was some great storytelling, especially with Eagles and Phantasmo.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 4, 2019 15:37:01 GMT -5
Not for origin so much as for appeal; they focused on the Cody/Kenny conflict because it was an easy draw for American fans given that The Elite were successful guys on the American scene and they were using Kenny as the face of their US expansions. It wasn't very well executed for a myriad of complicated reasons, but the idea of blowing off this big story with these guys popular in the west wasn't necessarily the smartest or best strategy, but it was an understandable one. Bullet Club as it is now lacks the immediate appeal to US fans because they've lost The Elite and with that some people who would probably only tune in because of them, but they now instead have a fanbase more strongly interested in New Japan itself. So shows now can't really be sold on Bullet Club, but that's fine because instead of one specific brand they can market their whole product. The ELP/Eagles feud probably adds more interest from Europe and Australia than it would in the states. But unlike Kenny/Cody that was done for the wrong reasons and didn't really add to other stories, this one has layers and feeds into other elements, especially Ospreay. It's one of the reasons I loved the BOSJ so much this year. It was more than just the jr. heavyweights doing flippy stuff, there was some great storytelling, especially with Eagles and Phantasmo. Conceptually, the Cody/Kenny stuff made sense, but the followup, yikes. Maybe if Jay had stepped into Bullet Club sooner, it'd have been better, but Tama stunk up the joint and looked like a moron turning on the only people in the stable who had any title belts. He was simply not equipped to be an ace.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Jul 4, 2019 21:38:38 GMT -5
El Phantasmo won me over (not just cause his awesome theme music lol). I love his persona being a dick to fans who dont by Bullet Club merch. I also like how he interacts with the faces, especially during his matches with Taguchi.
My favorite of the BSOJs was his 4th match with Ospreay. I didnt know the whole storyline with him and Ospreay overseas, so the way Ospreay brawled those first 10 minutes showed my how much of a good heel ELP is.
Did I say his theme music is bomb? Lol I take my Rad Tech boards in 3 weeks so I use his music to hype me up to study
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Post by corndog on Jul 5, 2019 10:18:18 GMT -5
The ELP/Eagles feud probably adds more interest from Europe and Australia than it would in the states. But unlike Kenny/Cody that was done for the wrong reasons and didn't really add to other stories, this one has layers and feeds into other elements, especially Ospreay. It's one of the reasons I loved the BOSJ so much this year. It was more than just the jr. heavyweights doing flippy stuff, there was some great storytelling, especially with Eagles and Phantasmo. Conceptually, the Cody/Kenny stuff made sense, but the followup, yikes. Maybe if Jay had stepped into Bullet Club sooner, it'd have been better, but Tama stunk up the joint and looked like a moron turning on the only people in the stable who had any title belts. He was simply not equipped to be an ace. The worst is there was never a payoff between Bullet Club and the Elite, everything happened in reverse, the Kenny/Tama and Kenny/Jay White match deepened the rift but happened before the actual split.
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