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Post by corndog on Jun 15, 2019 9:17:06 GMT -5
www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/c0t5vh/vow_davey_boy_smith_jr_done_with_new_japan_juice/Obviously, Voices of Wrestling isn't 100% and it's a podcast, although one of the best ones to cover New Japan. According to VOW, Davey Boy Smith Jr. has left New Japan. There have already been strong rumors to Davey Boy Smith Jr. leaving New Japan as he hasn't been booked lately and complained about his treatment on social media, also he's doing a lot with MLW now. Since he's a freelancer, as is all of Suzuki-gun, he can leave whenever he wants. Personally, I think he would fit well in All Japan or Big Japan with his power based style. For me, the bigger story is Juice Robinson is apparently done with ROH. He is said to be unhappy there and is not booked in ROH going forward.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 15, 2019 9:29:41 GMT -5
Juice is no dummy. He realizes ROH is a sinking ship right now. As far as DBS goes I kinda hope he goes to AEW. They need someone who actually looks like, well, a pro wrestler.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 15, 2019 9:34:41 GMT -5
Figured that Smith was on his way out when Archer started appearing without him. Isn't he one of the guys who actually has a full-time, full-fledged MLW contract?
And with Juice apparently moving to Japan full-time, no surprise he'd be done with ROH.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Jun 15, 2019 9:40:10 GMT -5
THE JUICE IS LOOSE!
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Post by corndog on Jun 15, 2019 9:46:17 GMT -5
Figured that Smith was on his way out when Archer started appearing without him. Isn't he one of the guys who actually has a full-time, full-fledged MLW contract? And with Juice apparently moving to Japan full-time, no surprise he'd be done with ROH. Not sure if Smith has a full fledged contract with MLW, but he's doing pretty well there. As I said before, if Smith wants to work Japan, he would do well in power based promotions like All Japan or Big Japan and probably not take a huge pay cut, it one at all. I think New Japan sent Juice to ROH to one help ROH after the Elite's exodus and build his value in the states. But ROH is such a dumpster fire to the point where Juice will get more over in the states with New Japan than ROH and ROH is doing so much damage to itself that it's pointless to try and save. I also wonder if Juice just wasn't feeling the Lifeblood deal because it's clearly just being used to put Bully Ray over.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 15, 2019 9:48:40 GMT -5
Woof, bad signs for ROH on that; guess it could just be Juice moving to Japan, but the fact Juice is doing that while supposedly in the middle of what should be some kind of angle with the babyface stable they built there doesn't come off well at all. Keep saying it, but there's too much legit talent in that promotion for things to feel so off kilter right now, someone needs to right that ship.
As for Davey Boy, I'm a little surprised, but it's certainly true that NJPW hasn't been showcasing KES very much. Smith does have a MLW contract along with the rest of the new Hart Foundation, but he's also talked lately about spending a little more time in Japan, as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in another puro promotion. That, or I think I wouldn't be shocked to see him pop up in Impact, either.
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Post by eJm on Jun 15, 2019 9:58:04 GMT -5
I mean, the Juice story isn’t that much of a surprise considering Will Osprey’s completing a move to Japan so is taking less international bookings, he’s wrapping up UK bookings this weekend. I mean, it COULD be something to do with ROH but it doesn’t seem that likely to me.
With DBS Jr. it didn’t seem like he was used as much this year so he might have seen the writing on the wall and left. Which hey, probably why he started working with MLW.
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Post by corndog on Jun 15, 2019 10:07:35 GMT -5
Woof, bad signs for ROH on that; guess it could just be Juice moving to Japan, but the fact Juice is doing that while supposedly in the middle of what should be some kind of angle with the babyface stable they built there doesn't come off well at all. Keep saying it, but there's too much legit talent in that promotion for things to feel so off kilter right now, someone needs to right that ship. As for Davey Boy, I'm a little surprised, but it's certainly true that NJPW hasn't been showcasing KES very much. Smith does have a MLW contract along with the rest of the new Hart Foundation, but he's also talked lately about spending a little more time in Japan, as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in another puro promotion. That, or I think I wouldn't be shocked to see him pop up in Impact, either. Yeah the weird thing about ROH, despite losing the Elite, they have one of the strongest talent pools in a long time. But you can have a great talent pool but bad booking can kill it, just look at WWE right now and TNA 2010/11. They need to fire Bully Ray/Delirious and put someone like Colt Cabana in charge, I can't imagine he would do worse. I know a lot of people made fun of Caprice Coleman's commentary in New Japan, but it was kind of fun listening to him completely mark out because he's not used to that good of wrestling product.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 15, 2019 10:22:45 GMT -5
I mean, the Juice story isn’t that much of a surprise considering Will Osprey’s completing a move to Japan so is taking less international bookings, he’s wrapping up UK bookings this weekend. I mean, it COULD be something to do with ROH but it doesn’t seem that likely to me. With DBS Jr. it didn’t seem like he was used as much this year so he might have seen the writing on the wall and left. Which hey, probably why he started working with MLW. JUice leaving probably isn't all ROH, but it does take a special kind of incompetence to take a stable of Juice Robinson, Tracy Williams, Mark Haskins, and Bandido and make them boring
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Post by eJm on Jun 15, 2019 10:27:13 GMT -5
I mean, the Juice story isn’t that much of a surprise considering Will Osprey’s completing a move to Japan so is taking less international bookings, he’s wrapping up UK bookings this weekend. I mean, it COULD be something to do with ROH but it doesn’t seem that likely to me. With DBS Jr. it didn’t seem like he was used as much this year so he might have seen the writing on the wall and left. Which hey, probably why he started working with MLW. JUice leaving probably isn't all ROH, but it does take a special kind of incompetence to take a stable of Juice Robinson, Tracy Williams, Mark Haskins, and Bandido and make them boring This I can agree with.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 15, 2019 10:29:20 GMT -5
How will we go on without Lifeblood.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 15, 2019 10:32:39 GMT -5
Man, Lifeblood is (was?) such a pointless idea. It really felt like someone booking ROH said "hey, Bullet Club/Elite were really popular, so let's just create another stable of random people and they'll get just as popular". They have some genuine prospects involved with it, but it is so directionless and unnecessary it just makes everybody look like random goons. Hopefully with Juice gone they'll give these guys genuine build ups.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 15, 2019 10:46:31 GMT -5
Woof, bad signs for ROH on that; guess it could just be Juice moving to Japan, but the fact Juice is doing that while supposedly in the middle of what should be some kind of angle with the babyface stable they built there doesn't come off well at all. Keep saying it, but there's too much legit talent in that promotion for things to feel so off kilter right now, someone needs to right that ship. As for Davey Boy, I'm a little surprised, but it's certainly true that NJPW hasn't been showcasing KES very much. Smith does have a MLW contract along with the rest of the new Hart Foundation, but he's also talked lately about spending a little more time in Japan, as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in another puro promotion. That, or I think I wouldn't be shocked to see him pop up in Impact, either. Yeah the weird thing about ROH, despite losing the Elite, they have one of the strongest talent pools in a long time. But you can have a great talent pool but bad booking can kill it, just look at WWE right now and TNA 2010/11. They need to fire Bully Ray/Delirious and put someone like Colt Cabana in charge, I can't imagine he would do worse. I know a lot of people made fun of Caprice Coleman's commentary in New Japan, but it was kind of fun listening to him completely mark out because he's not used to that good of wrestling product. It's pretty demented; once the Elite guys were out ROH managed to generate some very positive buzz in early 2019 by snatching up Haskins, Bandido, Rush, Cobb, PCO, King, Williams, leveraging their NJPW alliance for Juice and Finlay, having Gresham around, etc., all seeming like a golden opportunity to get rid of the air of "people only watch this to see Cody and the Bucks!" that was permeating in some people's minds. You'd think that task #1 once that interest was generated would be to really get these guys over strong as a sort of "new generation" for the company, but while they've certainly protected Rush and Cobb, and while Villain Enterprises has been booked pretty strong, as well, the others just seemed to fade out, and I can't help but wonder if a big part of it is because they got caught in the Bully Ray booking vortex. It's not to say that all of these guys had to come in and dominate, not when you've still got names like Scurll, Castle, and Lethal around that they could have competitive feuds with, but we shouldn't have gotten to G1 Supercard with most fans not having any idea who Haskins and Williams are, for example. You've got a whole slate of new talent in, do something to highlight them! Hold a tournament, make one up on the spot, anything to draw in some attention from around the wrestling world and have people saying "You really need to check out this match that <so and so> had on the last ROH PPV", the type of buzz that a lot of the bigger indies and even Impact have been drawing in the past year or so. That, or a storyline with some real heat behind it where the featured stars and promos don't involve 50 year old Bully Ray...Bully being around isn't the end of the world, but he shouldn't be the featured player. I get the difficulties of a rebuilding period for any promotion, but they were able to get theirs off on the right foot with all the new signings, but again, outside of Cobb, Rush, and Villain Enterprises, they haven't done much of anything noteworthy with these guys.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Jun 15, 2019 10:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 15, 2019 10:52:12 GMT -5
Man, Lifeblood is (was?) such a pointless idea. It really felt like someone booking ROH said "hey, Bullet Club/Elite were really popular, so let's just create another stable of random people and they'll get just as popular". They have some genuine prospects involved with it, but it is so directionless and unnecessary it just makes everybody look like random goons. Hopefully with Juice gone they'll give these guys genuine build ups. Lifeblood was like your character's HCTP Season Mode stable in real life.
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Post by Convoy on Jun 15, 2019 10:54:33 GMT -5
Didn’t know Juice was moving to Japan, but if true, it adds an interesting layer to his post-match promo after losing the US title. He’s so loved by the crowds there, and is ready to contend for the IC belt.
Smith complained fairly often about New Japan, which really became noticeable prior to last year's G1. I’m not the biggest fan of the guy, but can agree that being a “monster” in AEW is better than whatever he’ll get working NJPW.
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Post by corndog on Jun 15, 2019 11:03:04 GMT -5
Man, Lifeblood is (was?) such a pointless idea. It really felt like someone booking ROH said "hey, Bullet Club/Elite were really popular, so let's just create another stable of random people and they'll get just as popular". They have some genuine prospects involved with it, but it is so directionless and unnecessary it just makes everybody look like random goons. Hopefully with Juice gone they'll give these guys genuine build ups. To me it's more about execution with Lifeblood. The idea made some sense, let's bring ROH back to it's roots and have great matches. Lifeblood feels more like CHAOS than Bullet Club or Elite. What makes it so horrible is it acknowledges that they know what most ROH fans want, great matches and a promotion built on workrate. But they used it to put over Bully Ray and his friends. Bully Ray seems to come from the Vince Russo school of booking that is built on "getting heat" and trolling the fans by taking away what they like. It didn't work in WCW, TNA and it's not working now that the bad formula is 20 years old. Clearly ROH can't just be a workrate promotion when you have New Japan and other indies delivering strongly in this department. I think ROH could take something from southern promotions of the 70s/80s, where you can have great matches but also strong angles like Dusty getting his arm broken.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:24:28 GMT -5
Everybody if you can do the Bartman Shake your body turn around and running powerslam
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Post by markymark on Jun 15, 2019 11:41:53 GMT -5
ROH frustrates me because with the talent they have, they can do much, much better.
They could have a main event picture with Cobb, Rush, PCO, Lethal and Scurll as the core, Tracy Williams, Gresham should be built as the future of the company.
Get rid of Bully, Delirious and the Allure, they are a complete cancer to the company.
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Post by Rave on Jun 15, 2019 11:46:16 GMT -5
Lifeblood always seemed randomly thrown together and utterly pointless to me. "Hey, we've got these talented people! Why not group them together because shutup?" And then yeah, Bully Ray had to shoehorn himself into the mix.
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