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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 25, 2019 15:07:40 GMT -5
Come on. For one DUI in six years? You can do a small fine ($250,000 is absolutely ridiculous for a guy that doesn't make THAT much) and maybe a small suspension, but firing a dude over this is incredibly stupid. He also probably doesn't need help, one DUI after several years of not having any is not indicative of a problem. His arrest earlier this year was mostly bullshit and that's why charges went away. I like how you say "one DUI in six years" like that's supposed to be an accomplishment. Fact is, he's had three this decade. When you say it like that, it doesn't sound so sparkly. And bare in mind, these are just the times he's been caught. And surely countless times where he hasn't been caught.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jul 25, 2019 15:14:57 GMT -5
Would WWE still be “he’s responsible for his own actions” if a drunk driving incident caused severe injuries?
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 25, 2019 15:30:29 GMT -5
It was an end to THAT specific point. People want to rush to "HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEBODY" when he didn't, and that's not the thing that should be focused on. I'm not hand-waving shit away, I just think this maximum punishment shit people want to seek for everything is stupid as hell. And I said his earlier arrest this year was mostly bullshit, so again, try to get something right when quoting me. I think he's just a dumbass when it comes to realizing his alcohol levels, but if he has an actual problem, the issue sure as hell isn't firing him and hoping for the best. That's why having his brother/wife in the company helps manage the issue, as does suspending his license/doing a small suspension. "He's just a dumbass" Yeah, you know how you prevent someone from being a dumbass? You punish them so severely that the cost of being a dumbass is catastrophic. Fining him $250,000 for each offense from here on out would easily prevent that. Completely agree. He’s a superstar making serious money that probably thinks he can do whatever he wants to do. There’s a lot of ego in the game and that’s fine but not when you’re putting lives at risk. The fact that they joked about it on Monday night on television and then he went out and got busted again is a clear sign that he doesn’t care or he has a problem. Maybe both. Some people think they’re above the law because they have money. Hitting them where it hurts and fining them a huge amount of money will change that perception. Outrageous fines create fear, which is a form of control, but if it saves lives then I’m all for it. Don’t be a dumbass. It’s really not that hard to do.
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Post by babybear on Jul 25, 2019 15:33:02 GMT -5
He needs to get some help.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 25, 2019 15:52:32 GMT -5
It was an end to THAT specific point. People want to rush to "HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEBODY" when he didn't, and that's not the thing that should be focused on. I'm not hand-waving shit away, I just think this maximum punishment shit people want to seek for everything is stupid as hell. And I said his earlier arrest this year was mostly bullshit, so again, try to get something right when quoting me. I think he's just a dumbass when it comes to realizing his alcohol levels, but if he has an actual problem, the issue sure as hell isn't firing him and hoping for the best. That's why having his brother/wife in the company helps manage the issue, as does suspending his license/doing a small suspension. "He's just a dumbass" Yeah, you know how you prevent someone from being a dumbass? You punish them so severely that the cost of being a dumbass is catastrophic. Fining him $250,000 for each offense from here on out would easily prevent that. Another thing too is that you can drive almost anywhere in the United States and find roadside memorials for victims of drunk drivers. So many of those were probably the only drunk driving offense for the person behind the wheel. Do you think any of the families putting up those crosses would take "but the driver was just a dumbass" as justification for their dead child? We have to stop making excuses for celebrities and athletes when they do this shit. They clearly get to a point where they feel money and prominence makes them immune to consequence, and never show a shred of guilt. I mean the guy literally gave a shout out on TV to the last county that arrested him for this shit. A literal single day before getting arrested for it again. This crap shouldn't fly, especially in "Look how much we love kids and families" WWE.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 25, 2019 16:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 25, 2019 18:23:08 GMT -5
John Cena: Time Traveler Confirmed I mean with his schedule it makes sense
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 25, 2019 18:53:07 GMT -5
Don't they have a wellness policy to address such things? Uce's got a problem and he needs to get it addressed before he does this again and someone else gets hurt. Even if it doesn't cover this sort of thing, there's really no reason for them not to put him through rehab, besides maybe not needing him to sign away any likeness rights from an old contract structure. I don't think a fine is even the right idea at this point; don't dock his pay, get him help. Punishment can only do so much for someone who needs actual help and taking a bunch of money off his contract isn't actually addressing any issue. Take him off TV, get him into treatment, have his brother buddy up with someone else or do media shit for a few months and don't let them back on TV until Jimmy is better. If he doesn't want it he can sit at home until he's ready to cooperate, and I'm sure f***ing his brother's career wouldn't be something that family would let fly by either. This is a problem, and WWE may have made a lot of progress in regards to drugs and steroids over time, but they remain really behind the curve when it comes to alcohol abuse.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 25, 2019 20:24:27 GMT -5
I've had two uncles die via drunk driving, one hit an underpass of a bridge, one hit and killed another person with him.
I don't play around with this, and the fact WWE does makes me sick to my stomach. Have some f***ing human decency and get an uber or a Designated Driver, or you should face the consequences, especially when you do it multiple times.
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Post by Flo360 on Jul 25, 2019 20:46:49 GMT -5
You know, between this and Alicia I start suspecting that working for this company is a whole lot more draining, stressful and depressing than some nasel voice mouthpiece wants us to believe.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 26, 2019 1:48:41 GMT -5
You don't get suspended for driving a car while drunk, you get suspended for touching Vince's arm while sober.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 26, 2019 1:52:59 GMT -5
You know, between this and Alicia I start suspecting that working for this company is a whole lot more draining, stressful and depressing than some nasel voice mouthpiece wants us to believe. That's nowhere near the point of this This is bigger than AEW or WWE or whatever wrestling company. When you get behind the wheel impaired you are playing with individuals lives and he needs help. End of story
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Post by Fade on Jul 26, 2019 2:21:25 GMT -5
You know, between this and Alicia I start suspecting that working for this company is a whole lot more draining, stressful and depressing than some nasel voice mouthpiece wants us to believe. That's nowhere near the point of this This is bigger than AEW or WWE or whatever wrestling company. When you get behind the wheel impaired you are playing with individuals lives and he needs help. End of story Sure. But the company is enabling him. Saw this on wreddit Talented as the guy is..really not comfortable with any of this by now. Don’t think anyone is.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 26, 2019 3:01:52 GMT -5
When he finally does kill somebody, Vince will show up, tell him to pretend he doesn't speak English, while Vince tells the cops he's in the "garbage business."
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 26, 2019 3:27:06 GMT -5
That's nowhere near the point of this This is bigger than AEW or WWE or whatever wrestling company. When you get behind the wheel impaired you are playing with individuals lives and he needs help. End of story Sure. But the company is enabling him. Saw this on wreddit Talented as the guy is..really not comfortable with any of this by now. Don’t think anyone is. And there's something to be said for the idea that the company is enabling him and needs to intervene. That doesn't mean the Seth comments and 'everything is great fans just suck' interviews have a place here. Jimmy needs help and that help may have some roots in a stressful work environment, but that's not a point that matters, it's not something that needs to be here. Substance abuse has been an endemic issue of pro wrestling for decades, it's rooted in way more issues than just TV being actually good or whatever. I think when you try to bury the ugly reality of what's going on here in the sentiments running alongside the Seth interviews you end up with a really not so hot and not so productive way to frame the conversation that just distracts from the real person who needs help, from the ugliness of addiction, and honestly just priming people to start talking about entirely unrelated shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 4:20:57 GMT -5
If he has a drinking problem then as he reaches his mid 30s he's going to look visibly overweight, booze really hits your gut at that age (source: me) and genetics aren't his friend.
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Post by Flo360 on Jul 26, 2019 7:06:15 GMT -5
As an sober alcoholic I'm very much offended by the notion that an toxic and, especially in WWE's case, physically and mentally abusive Work enviroment, should not be criticised if substance Abuse keeps coming up among the employes. I surely wasn't referencing the Shows quality comments. But if a supossed Lockerroom leader reacts to his friend saying he developed an depression while working there, by going "Well aint he a Pussy!", I see a company that clearly manipulates people into ignoring mental warning-signals. And f*** them for that!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 26, 2019 8:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 26, 2019 8:49:30 GMT -5
So this guy was flying down the highway anywhere between 85-100 mph swerving and getting close to other cars. And there are people who think nothing needs to be done because "his last DUI was six years ago".
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 26, 2019 8:51:45 GMT -5
The issue is not that he drinks. If he does and can still do the job they are paying him for then whatever. The issue is that he continues to get behind the wheel after becoming intoxicated. That should be the focus here, not “he needs to go to rehab and become completely sober!”
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