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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 22, 2019 14:52:42 GMT -5
Let me try and recall the entire Hummer Angle: --Randy Savage was feuding with Kevin Nash in late Spring/early Summer 1999. One week Nash humiliated Savage by having a contortionist chick dump sewage or something on Macho and then the next week Savage planned his revenge. Madusa, Gorgeous George, and Miss Madness lured Nash into their limo only to bolt, leading to a mysterious white Hummer smashing into the car and nearly killing Nash. Thus began the whole thing as to the mystery driver. Who did Savage get to run over Nash? --At the Great American Bash PPV Sid does a run in on the main event and this would have been a good payoff for the driver, but then they said it was NOT Sid. For the next few weeks they had various mystery Stings driving around in Hummers implying it was Sting, although the real Sting professed his innocence. This led to a convoluted PPV main event where Nash teamed with Sting vs. Macho/Sid and the world title was on the line and I believe it was possible for Sting to actually pin his own partner to win the title. Savage won the title and lost to Hogan the next night, but the driver was never revealed (though they hinted it might be a woman?). --At this point these guys drift into other feuds. Savage ended up feuding with Dennis Rodman at Road Wild and hinted that the Hummer driver might attack Rodman (this was I think when Carmen Electra was rumored?), while Nash turned heel to feud with Hogan after Hogan returned to the red and yellow. Nash put his career on the line and lost at Road Wild. Savage also basically quit WCW around the time of Bischoff's meltdown in Aug. 1999, frustrated over Sid being pushed over him and a bunch of other stuff. Sting lost to Sid at Road Wild, but ended up #1 contender for Fall Brawl somehow while Sid got a U.S. title shot against Benoit. --So you'd think the Hummer angle has just been buried, but you'd be wrong. Lex Luger now interjected himself into the main event of the next PPV, Fall Brawl. Sting was facing Hogan for the world title. Luger now insisted that it was Hogan that may have been the driver and that Sting shouldn't trust Hogan. Thus if true the face Hogan at the previous PPV had actually tried to kill the heel Nash by running him over with a Hummer. Luger produced silly pics with Hogan around Hummers, etc. Hogan was not the driver of course, but Sting didn't care and bashed Hogan with a baseball bat and turned heel to win the title. Bear in mind the original victim of the attack, Nash, had turned heel and lost a retirement match since this angle began. --Around this point Russo and Ferrara came in and they dropped the whole thing, at least for a long time. In April 2000 they did a wacky bit on Nitro where Bischoff tried to hit Hogan or someone with a white Hummer. I don't know if this was an implication that Bischoff did all of these attacks or if he was just a copycat of the original fiend. So, after recapping all of this is there any doubt this stuff was the worst mystery angle of all time? At one point it was supposed to be Sable, when they signed her and showed her in the crowd... except they didn't bother reading her WWE contract until after that, and then they realised they couldn't have her on TV until after her however many years left had expired. Whoops.
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Post by cjh on Aug 22, 2019 16:39:17 GMT -5
Let me try and recall the entire Hummer Angle: --Randy Savage was feuding with Kevin Nash in late Spring/early Summer 1999. One week Nash humiliated Savage by having a contortionist chick dump sewage or something on Macho and then the next week Savage planned his revenge. Madusa, Gorgeous George, and Miss Madness lured Nash into their limo only to bolt, leading to a mysterious white Hummer smashing into the car and nearly killing Nash. Thus began the whole thing as to the mystery driver. Who did Savage get to run over Nash? --At the Great American Bash PPV Sid does a run in on the main event and this would have been a good payoff for the driver, but then they said it was NOT Sid. For the next few weeks they had various mystery Stings driving around in Hummers implying it was Sting, although the real Sting professed his innocence. This led to a convoluted PPV main event where Nash teamed with Sting vs. Macho/Sid and the world title was on the line and I believe it was possible for Sting to actually pin his own partner to win the title. Savage won the title and lost to Hogan the next night, but the driver was never revealed (though they hinted it might be a woman?). --At this point these guys drift into other feuds. Savage ended up feuding with Dennis Rodman at Road Wild and hinted that the Hummer driver might attack Rodman (this was I think when Carmen Electra was rumored?), while Nash turned heel to feud with Hogan after Hogan returned to the red and yellow. Nash put his career on the line and lost at Road Wild. Savage also basically quit WCW around the time of Bischoff's meltdown in Aug. 1999, frustrated over Sid being pushed over him and a bunch of other stuff. Sting lost to Sid at Road Wild, but ended up #1 contender for Fall Brawl somehow while Sid got a U.S. title shot against Benoit. --So you'd think the Hummer angle has just been buried, but you'd be wrong. Lex Luger now interjected himself into the main event of the next PPV, Fall Brawl. Sting was facing Hogan for the world title. Luger now insisted that it was Hogan that may have been the driver and that Sting shouldn't trust Hogan. Thus if true the face Hogan at the previous PPV had actually tried to kill the heel Nash by running him over with a Hummer. Luger produced silly pics with Hogan around Hummers, etc. Hogan was not the driver of course, but Sting didn't care and bashed Hogan with a baseball bat and turned heel to win the title. Bear in mind the original victim of the attack, Nash, had turned heel and lost a retirement match since this angle began. --Around this point Russo and Ferrara came in and they dropped the whole thing, at least for a long time. In April 2000 they did a wacky bit on Nitro where Bischoff tried to hit Hogan or someone with a white Hummer. I don't know if this was an implication that Bischoff did all of these attacks or if he was just a copycat of the original fiend. So, after recapping all of this is there any doubt this stuff was the worst mystery angle of all time? At one point it was supposed to be Sable, when they signed her and showed her in the crowd... except they didn't bother reading her WWE contract until after that, and then they realised they couldn't have her on TV until after her however many years left had expired. Whoops. According to The Death of WCW, WWE's lawyers contacted WCW right away and told them she was still under contract. WCW denied having any deal with her, claimed she bought the ticket herself (likely not the case), and promised to not put her on TV again.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 22, 2019 17:26:06 GMT -5
At one point it was supposed to be Sable, when they signed her and showed her in the crowd... except they didn't bother reading her WWE contract until after that, and then they realised they couldn't have her on TV until after her however many years left had expired. Whoops. According to The Death of WCW, WWE's lawyers contacted WCW right away and told them she was still under contract. WCW denied having any deal with her, claimed she bought the ticket herself (likely not the case), and promised to not put her on TV again. Anyone within about 3 blocks of either the booking or financing departments probably heard a loud "God f***ing damnit" after that phonecall
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Post by Venti on Aug 22, 2019 17:31:08 GMT -5
The Higher Power angle basically revealed in one swoop that like 300000 guys were just dicking around with eachother to spook Stone Stunner Steve in such an indirect way that they repeatedly lost track of him and hemorrhaged some of the most loyal members of The Corporation for basically no reason. Like, The Corporate Ministry angle had already destroyed any appeal that there was in The Ministry and made Undertaker look like a complete goofball that had just wasted his life for months on end, and somehow they found a way to make it all even worse. Vince: I'm going to pay you all to make sure we take Stone Cold Steve Austin out ONCE AND FOR ALL! Mideon: Soooo...why don't you just fire him? Other stuff hasn't worked and you'd probably save some money. Vince: ....Well, Mideon, the simplest way to explain it is SHUT THE F*** UP! Mideon as the voice of reason is something I didn't know I needed until now
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Post by FHgrad99 on Aug 22, 2019 17:53:13 GMT -5
Let me try and recall the entire Hummer Angle: --Randy Savage was feuding with Kevin Nash in late Spring/early Summer 1999. One week Nash humiliated Savage by having a contortionist chick dump sewage or something on Macho and then the next week Savage planned his revenge. Madusa, Gorgeous George, and Miss Madness lured Nash into their limo only to bolt, leading to a mysterious white Hummer smashing into the car and nearly killing Nash. Thus began the whole thing as to the mystery driver. Who did Savage get to run over Nash? --At the Great American Bash PPV Sid does a run in on the main event and this would have been a good payoff for the driver, but then they said it was NOT Sid. For the next few weeks they had various mystery Stings driving around in Hummers implying it was Sting, although the real Sting professed his innocence. This led to a convoluted PPV main event where Nash teamed with Sting vs. Macho/Sid and the world title was on the line and I believe it was possible for Sting to actually pin his own partner to win the title. Savage won the title and lost to Hogan the next night, but the driver was never revealed (though they hinted it might be a woman?). --At this point these guys drift into other feuds. Savage ended up feuding with Dennis Rodman at Road Wild and hinted that the Hummer driver might attack Rodman (this was I think when Carmen Electra was rumored?), while Nash turned heel to feud with Hogan after Hogan returned to the red and yellow. Nash put his career on the line and lost at Road Wild. Savage also basically quit WCW around the time of Bischoff's meltdown in Aug. 1999, frustrated over Sid being pushed over him and a bunch of other stuff. Sting lost to Sid at Road Wild, but ended up #1 contender for Fall Brawl somehow while Sid got a U.S. title shot against Benoit. --So you'd think the Hummer angle has just been buried, but you'd be wrong. Lex Luger now interjected himself into the main event of the next PPV, Fall Brawl. Sting was facing Hogan for the world title. Luger now insisted that it was Hogan that may have been the driver and that Sting shouldn't trust Hogan. Thus if true the face Hogan at the previous PPV had actually tried to kill the heel Nash by running him over with a Hummer. Luger produced silly pics with Hogan around Hummers, etc. Hogan was not the driver of course, but Sting didn't care and bashed Hogan with a baseball bat and turned heel to win the title. Bear in mind the original victim of the attack, Nash, had turned heel and lost a retirement match since this angle began. --Around this point Russo and Ferrara came in and they dropped the whole thing, at least for a long time. In April 2000 they did a wacky bit on Nitro where Bischoff tried to hit Hogan or someone with a white Hummer. I don't know if this was an implication that Bischoff did all of these attacks or if he was just a copycat of the original fiend. So, after recapping all of this is there any doubt this stuff was the worst mystery angle of all time? This reminds me of a quote from Grandpa Simpson from The Simpsons. "One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere." The White Hummer storyline is one that didn't go anywhere.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 22, 2019 18:02:08 GMT -5
The Higher Power angle basically revealed in one swoop that like 300000 guys were just dicking around with eachother to spook Stone Stunner Steve in such an indirect way that they repeatedly lost track of him and hemorrhaged some of the most loyal members of The Corporation for basically no reason. Like, The Corporate Ministry angle had already destroyed any appeal that there was in The Ministry and made Undertaker look like a complete goofball that had just wasted his life for months on end, and somehow they found a way to make it all even worse. Vince: I'm going to pay you all to make sure we take Stone Cold Steve Austin out ONCE AND FOR ALL! Mideon: Soooo...why don't you just fire him? Other stuff hasn't worked and you'd probably save some money. Vince: ....Well, Mideon, the simplest way to explain it is SHUT THE F*** UP! "THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A COOL ASS SHIRT, PAL, BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS!"
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 22, 2019 18:08:30 GMT -5
Vince: I'm going to pay you all to make sure we take Stone Cold Steve Austin out ONCE AND FOR ALL! Mideon: Soooo...why don't you just fire him? Other stuff hasn't worked and you'd probably save some money. Vince: ....Well, Mideon, the simplest way to explain it is SHUT THE F*** UP! "THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A COOL ASS SHIRT, PAL, BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS!" For a while Mideon did have a cool ass shirt, the eye within an eye. Still one of my favorites.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 22, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -5
Let me try and recall the entire Hummer Angle: --Randy Savage was feuding with Kevin Nash in late Spring/early Summer 1999. One week Nash humiliated Savage by having a contortionist chick dump sewage or something on Macho and then the next week Savage planned his revenge. Madusa, Gorgeous George, and Miss Madness lured Nash into their limo only to bolt, leading to a mysterious white Hummer smashing into the car and nearly killing Nash. Thus began the whole thing as to the mystery driver. Who did Savage get to run over Nash? --At the Great American Bash PPV Sid does a run in on the main event and this would have been a good payoff for the driver, but then they said it was NOT Sid. For the next few weeks they had various mystery Stings driving around in Hummers implying it was Sting, although the real Sting professed his innocence. This led to a convoluted PPV main event where Nash teamed with Sting vs. Macho/Sid and the world title was on the line and I believe it was possible for Sting to actually pin his own partner to win the title. Savage won the title and lost to Hogan the next night, but the driver was never revealed (though they hinted it might be a woman?). --At this point these guys drift into other feuds. Savage ended up feuding with Dennis Rodman at Road Wild and hinted that the Hummer driver might attack Rodman (this was I think when Carmen Electra was rumored?), while Nash turned heel to feud with Hogan after Hogan returned to the red and yellow. Nash put his career on the line and lost at Road Wild. Savage also basically quit WCW around the time of Bischoff's meltdown in Aug. 1999, frustrated over Sid being pushed over him and a bunch of other stuff. Sting lost to Sid at Road Wild, but ended up #1 contender for Fall Brawl somehow while Sid got a U.S. title shot against Benoit. --So you'd think the Hummer angle has just been buried, but you'd be wrong. Lex Luger now interjected himself into the main event of the next PPV, Fall Brawl. Sting was facing Hogan for the world title. Luger now insisted that it was Hogan that may have been the driver and that Sting shouldn't trust Hogan. Thus if true the face Hogan at the previous PPV had actually tried to kill the heel Nash by running him over with a Hummer. Luger produced silly pics with Hogan around Hummers, etc. Hogan was not the driver of course, but Sting didn't care and bashed Hogan with a baseball bat and turned heel to win the title. Bear in mind the original victim of the attack, Nash, had turned heel and lost a retirement match since this angle began. --Around this point Russo and Ferrara came in and they dropped the whole thing, at least for a long time. In April 2000 they did a wacky bit on Nitro where Bischoff tried to hit Hogan or someone with a white Hummer. I don't know if this was an implication that Bischoff did all of these attacks or if he was just a copycat of the original fiend. So, after recapping all of this is there any doubt this stuff was the worst mystery angle of all time? Honestly, the most surprising thing about this is that the White Hummer stuff happened in the Midlife Crisis Randy Savage era. I had forgotten this, and it always makes me feel like it was peak nWo era instead.
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Post by bogussting on Aug 22, 2019 19:30:35 GMT -5
I remember being so disappointed that Vince was the higher power.
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Post by Greer on Aug 22, 2019 22:21:21 GMT -5
The higher power never bothered me simply due to how amazing of a performer Vince is. He just sells it so well. And honestly I find it believable that Austin had sent him so far over the deep end that he would resort to such tactics. Austin had pretty much driven him to the point of lunacy.
Is it really that far fetched that Vince would kidnap his own family and reveal himself as the higher power just to say he was smarter than everybody else? With Vince...it just works. He plays the lunatic so well.
Plus JR's reaction is one of the greatest sound bytes in company history.
Rikishi being the driver sucked way worse in my opinion. You took one of the hottest acts and babyfaces in the company and turned him heel. This ruined his run completely. It also ruined Too Cool because they were never the same without him and never even got to confront him.
On top of that, his reasoning made no sense since he wasn't even with the company at the time Austin was run over. He never changed his look so you couldn't even take him seriously with his gigantic ass sticking out calling himself a bad man. He's a comedy midcarder. He's not a main event heel. Plus Austin and Rock whooped his ass on a weekly basis. And in the end HHH was the mastermind. It was just a mess.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 22, 2019 22:33:21 GMT -5
I just checked Rikishi's Wiki and he apparently re-debuted on Nov. 13, 1999 in the WWF (on Metal of all shows). Survivor Series 1999 was the next night. So Rikishi was in fact there to run over Austin. So the entire time we were cheering him with Too Cool should we have booed him instead?
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Post by nickcave on Aug 22, 2019 22:54:43 GMT -5
Reading through this thread made me realize most big reveals in wrestling suck lol. Jason Jordan as Kurt Angle’s son is a recent one that could qualify. It might have turned itself around though if Jordan hadn’t got injured because he was finally starting to find a groove with the character.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 22, 2019 23:39:23 GMT -5
I just checked Rikishi's Wiki and he apparently re-debuted on Nov. 13, 1999 in the WWF (on Metal of all shows). Survivor Series 1999 was the next night. So Rikishi was in fact there to run over Austin. So the entire time we were cheering him with Too Cool should we have booed him instead? That was actually the piece of information Foley used to crack the case in storyline. I believe Scotty 2 Hotty actually gave Rikishi up inadvertently by pointing out that Too Cool spent the night of Survivor Series hanging out with Rikishi, and that's when Mick realized he hadn't looked into that possibility.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 23, 2019 10:05:07 GMT -5
I'll do you one better and say Hornswoggle being revealed as Vince's illegitimate son. They could have legit made Ken Kennedy a permanent main eventer that night. Dude was on the cusp as it was, and the crowd were so into him being the son during the reveal as well.Maybe better he wasn't though, with hindsight and all that... Had he not put his foot in his mouth before that, he may have been Vince's son. --So you'd think the Hummer angle has just been buried, but you'd be wrong. Lex Luger now interjected himself into the main event of the next PPV, Fall Brawl. Sting was facing Hogan for the world title. Luger now insisted that it was Hogan that may have been the driver and that Sting shouldn't trust Hogan. Thus if true the face Hogan at the previous PPV had actually tried to kill the heel Nash by running him over with a Hummer. Luger produced silly pics with Hogan around Hummers, etc. Hogan was not the driver of course, but Sting didn't care and bashed Hogan with a baseball bat and turned heel to win the title. Bear in mind the original victim of the attack, Nash, had turned heel and lost a retirement match since this angle began. All while the crowd went nuts cheering for Sting. I just realized: Sting got involved in the dumbest shit. Black Scorpion, Shockmaster, White Hummer, RoboCop....
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 23, 2019 10:19:28 GMT -5
Matt Hardy being the one who attacked Jeff Hardy (and also confessing arson and attempted murder). Mainly because a blind man could have seen it coming. Wasn't a point made that Jeff's dog was killed in the fire? What made all of this even dumber was Matt turning face and the Hardys reuniting like, 6 months later.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 23, 2019 10:27:49 GMT -5
The higher power never bothered me simply due to how amazing of a performer Vince is. He just sells it so well. And honestly I find it believable that Austin had sent him so far over the deep end that he would resort to such tactics. Austin had pretty much driven him to the point of lunacy. Is it really that far fetched that Vince would kidnap his own family and reveal himself as the higher power just to say he was smarter than everybody else? With Vince...it just works. He plays the lunatic so well. Plus JR's reaction is one of the greatest sound bytes in company history. The real problem is that assuming only a few knew about the plot, absolutely everyone else involved should have been royally pissed. Sure, guys like Shamrock and Test were angry, but like everyone else was cool? They were feuding with each other, often times kicking the crap out of each other. Shit, they *hung* the Bossman! How the f*** was he OK with this? The Vince aspect makes sense if you wanna stretch it a bit, but everyone else looked like a colossal ass
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 10:34:12 GMT -5
The higher power never bothered me simply due to how amazing of a performer Vince is. He just sells it so well. And honestly I find it believable that Austin had sent him so far over the deep end that he would resort to such tactics. Austin had pretty much driven him to the point of lunacy. Is it really that far fetched that Vince would kidnap his own family and reveal himself as the higher power just to say he was smarter than everybody else? With Vince...it just works. He plays the lunatic so well. Plus JR's reaction is one of the greatest sound bytes in company history. For me, the idea of Vince and Austin temporarily uniting to battle a greater evil was way more interesting than adding another chapter to their feud that had been going for over a year at that point.
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Post by msc on Aug 23, 2019 10:34:17 GMT -5
"THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A COOL ASS SHIRT, PAL, BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS!" For a while Mideon did have a cool ass shirt, the eye within an eye. Still one of my favorites. For someone not good at singles matches, Mideon was an expert goon in 1999. Him "borrowing" Shane's belt, the time he knocked Dlo Brown off a ladder in a Hardcore title match then went up to the ref and went "who could have done such a thing?", his shining his car lights in Ken Shamrocks face just to annoy him, etc. Also, one of the all time hilarious heel moments: Shane McMahon: Tonight, Kane, MIDEON IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BEATING OF YOUR LIFE! I'm still in hysterics, tbh.
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Post by Ultra Magnus Black on Aug 23, 2019 15:34:02 GMT -5
Nowhere near as high profile as everybody else’s picks but Raven’s mysterious helper ninja. Was revealed as a returning Tori who’d been out injured for months, then.... nothing. No explanation as to why she was no longer involved with DX/X-Pac, no follow-up at all, she just vanished (unless I missed something on a Heat episode). Appropriate for a ninja I suppose...
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 23, 2019 16:35:15 GMT -5
White Hummer is the answer here. It was so terrible that it was abandoned for long periods of time and when they would bring it back, you still didn’t care.
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