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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 31, 2019 3:49:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah thanks for reminding me: Gwen Stacy in TAS 2.
The reason Gwen Stacy dying was so good in the comics is because it was a genuine shock that Spiderman could fail so badly.
Now? well, comic Gwen Stacy basically had no characterization before her death except "Peter's girlfriend", so the only thing people expect out of her is "When is she going to fall off something and die?"
You wanna be bold with your film series? Then let her live.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 31, 2019 3:58:39 GMT -5
Oh yeah thanks for reminding me: Gwen Stacy in TAS 2. The reason Gwen Stacy dying was so good in the comics is because it was a genuine shock that Spiderman could fail so badly. Now? well, comic Gwen Stacy basically had no characterization before her death except "Peter's girlfriend", so the only thing people expect out of her is "When is she going to fall off something and die?" You wanna be bold with your film series? Then let her live. Agreed. Killing her is so played out, they even made a joke about it, with Gwen Stacy seeing the multiverse and being horrified at how so many versions of her die premature deaths. It's up there with killing Uncle Ben in terms of "WE GET IT".
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 31, 2019 5:09:14 GMT -5
Daniel Jackson.
Even all these years and despite him coming back, killing him off still annoys me.
On the reverse side, it is still annoying Tad Trenton got to live in Cujo. What a memorable gut punch of an ending to a movie that would have made.
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Post by ERON on Aug 31, 2019 6:37:29 GMT -5
The Three Dimwits in Justice League: Cry For Justice
Hear me out. These were three long-forgotten supporting characters from the Golden Age Flash comics who literally had not appeared since the Golden Age. I have never read a comic featuring them, and wouldn't have even known of their existence if it weren't for a blurb in Who's Who in the DC Universe. And yet I raged when they were unceremoniously killed off-panel in Cry For Justice #2.
Why? DC had been kill crazy throughout the 2000s. A number of my favorites had already bitten the dust - Blue Beetle, Phantom Lady, Firestorm, and Ralph & Sue Dibny, among others. I was one of those who would joke that DC in the 2000s stood for "Death Comics." And the fact that they would dig up some Three Stooges knock-offs that hadn't appeared in a comic book in 50 years just to kill them for no real reason other than to justify Jay Garrick making an appearance in the miniseries underscored just how death-obsessed DC had become. It was like they were actively scouring through old comics looking for characters to kill off at that point.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Aug 31, 2019 7:18:48 GMT -5
Speaking of awful Jurassic Park deaths. Zara's death in Jurassic World. It was so gratitutous and drawn out to the point of absurdity. they cut out a lot of her scenes where she was a massive bitch but left her death in so it didnt make sense for her to die so horribly as she seemed to be a better person.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 31, 2019 11:29:38 GMT -5
Pa Kent in Man of Steel. Yes, you should pointless sacrifice yourself to teach your son some contrived lesson instead of letting your nigh-indestructible son use his amazing powers and save some innocents. I'm sure your family really appreciates this you dunce.
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Post by thechase on Aug 31, 2019 12:05:05 GMT -5
Oh yeah thanks for reminding me: Gwen Stacy in TAS 2. The reason Gwen Stacy dying was so good in the comics is because it was a genuine shock that Spiderman could fail so badly. Now? well, comic Gwen Stacy basically had no characterization before her death except "Peter's girlfriend", so the only thing people expect out of her is "When is she going to fall off something and die?" You wanna be bold with your film series? Then let her live. Agreed. Killing her is so played out, they even made a joke about it, with Gwen Stacy seeing the multiverse and being horrified at how so many versions of her die premature deaths. It's up there with killing Uncle Ben in terms of "WE GET IT". Sadly, that's just given way to another annoying trait: for every billion universes where Gwen dies premature, there's a billion universes where she becomes Ghost Spider...leaving the mainstream comic version less and less unique. Also, by having her live, you don't exactly quash the smart-alecs who'll ask "Ok, when is she banging the Green Goblin and having his super-twins?"
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 31, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -5
Snape
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 31, 2019 15:30:03 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Zara from Jurassic World. The Jurassic series isn't a morality tale and plenty of good people have met grisly ends in the series, from Robert Muldoon and John Arnold in Jurassic Park to Eddie Carr in The Lost World. Though even in the original book Henry Wu, who was a reasonable character and the complete opposite of his film counterpart, gets torn apart by raptors. I don't buy into this notion that deaths in these movies have to be deserved.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 31, 2019 15:37:55 GMT -5
I call bullshit on Zara from Jurassic World. The Jurassic series isn't a morality tale and plenty of good people have met grisly ends in the series, from Robert Muldoon and John Arnold in Jurassic Park to Eddie Carr in The Lost World. Though even in the original book Henry Wu, who was a reasonable character and the complete opposite of his film counterpart, gets torn apart by raptors. I don't buy into this notion that deaths in these movies have to be deserved. I agree. And as much as Carrs death bothered me it also legitimized the T-Rexes and their threat to the humans in the film. For me, anyway.
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Post by horseface on Aug 31, 2019 18:44:10 GMT -5
I do think there was only one way it ended since they showed Jon taking out one of NK’s lieutenants with a Valyrian Blade in “Hardhome”. They could have made it Jon rather than Arya, but I think they went for the extended battle sequence of that episode rather than the throwdown between them. I’m not saying it was a good call, but amidst the many, many problems of the last season, I thought that was a weird one for many people to be fixated on. The fight between the living and the white walkers was always less interesting than the fighting between the houses, and the “final” showdown being with Cersei and the Golden Company was the right call, although the producers nerfed them to an extreme degree. The logical conclusion, IMO, should've been Jon kills the Night King, fulfilling his vow when he took the black, and Arya kills Cersei and Jaime, finishing her list and avenging her family. From there they could still run with Daeny as the Mad Queen and Jon killing her, but at least then Cersei would've gotten the death she deserved and the Night King wouldn't have been a damn consolation prize. To me if they wanted to do something unexpected, they should have had Theon kill the NK. Saw something once that made a good argument as to why, but I like the idea just by itself. But really it was stupid to begin with to build them up as this massive existential threat who just get killswitched that easily. Like oh. That's all that had to be done then.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 31, 2019 20:14:31 GMT -5
Two more come to mind - Giselle in Fast & Furious 6 and Elena in Fate of the Furious. Two utterly pointless deaths.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 31, 2019 20:38:43 GMT -5
Two more come to mind - Giselle in Fast & Furious 6 and Elena in Fate of the Furious. Two utterly pointless deaths. I can't argue with you on this. Regarding Giselle, it felt like she was written off solely for the fact that Han was in Tokyo Drift but she wasn't. As for Elena's death, that was pointless. I guess there was no reason for her to be in the films anymore? I would have liked it if she had been on Hobbs's team. It seemed like it was going to be like that in Furious 7, but then came the angle about her having a child with Dom.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 31, 2019 21:01:02 GMT -5
Two more come to mind - Giselle in Fast & Furious 6 and Elena in Fate of the Furious. Two utterly pointless deaths. I can't argue with you on this. Regarding Giselle, it felt like she was written off solely for the fact that Han was in Tokyo Drift but she wasn't. As for Elena's death, that was pointless. I guess there was no reason for her to be in the films anymore? I would have liked it if she had been on Hobbs's team. It seemed like it was going to be like that in Furious 7, but then came the angle about her having a child with Dom. At the most basic level, both characters were killed off because the men they were romantically linked with had no further use of them - Han being dead, and Dom being with Letty. Not like you could find something to do in this series for a former Mossad agent (played by f***ing Wonder Woman herself) or a hardass ex-police officer and DSS agent/bounty hunter, right?
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Post by RI Richmark on Aug 31, 2019 22:23:40 GMT -5
Quicksilver in Avengers: Age of Ultron. I loved Aaron Taylor-Johnson's take of the character but he gets killed off in one movie?
What really pissed me off is that I found the MCU version of Quicksilver far more interesting than the one from the X-Men movies yet that's the one who survives?
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Post by agent817 on Aug 31, 2019 23:13:09 GMT -5
I can't argue with you on this. Regarding Giselle, it felt like she was written off solely for the fact that Han was in Tokyo Drift but she wasn't. As for Elena's death, that was pointless. I guess there was no reason for her to be in the films anymore? I would have liked it if she had been on Hobbs's team. It seemed like it was going to be like that in Furious 7, but then came the angle about her having a child with Dom. At the most basic level, both characters were killed off because the men they were romantically linked with had no further use of them - Han being dead, and Dom being with Letty. Not like you could find something to do in this series for a former Mossad agent (played by f***ing Wonder Woman herself) or a hardass ex-police officer and DSS agent/bounty hunter, right? I get that part about Giselle, but Elena could have easily been Hobbs's partner in subsequent films. Hell, even her bit part in Furious 7 showed that she and Hobbs were working together (I am sure that some people shipped the two, but I would have preferred if they kept it mainly professional). Also, even after seeing Hobbs & Shaw, I would have liked it if the main team consisted at least two men and two women, with Deckard, Hobbs, Hattie, and Elena, if she had not been killed off. I guess the producers didn't know what to do with that character prior to F8.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 31, 2019 23:34:18 GMT -5
At the most basic level, both characters were killed off because the men they were romantically linked with had no further use of them - Han being dead, and Dom being with Letty. Not like you could find something to do in this series for a former Mossad agent (played by f***ing Wonder Woman herself) or a hardass ex-police officer and DSS agent/bounty hunter, right? I get that part about Giselle, but Elena could have easily been Hobbs's partner in subsequent films. Hell, even her bit part in Furious 7 showed that she and Hobbs were working together (I am sure that some people shipped the two, but I would have preferred if they kept it mainly professional). Also, even after seeing Hobbs & Shaw, I would have liked it if the main team consisted at least two men and two women, with Deckard, Hobbs, Hattie, and Elena, if she had not been killed off. I guess the producers didn't know what to do with that character prior to F8. Besides that, Chris Hemsworth has said a few times he'd like to do a fun project with his wife at some point, and there's a few good supporting characters who could be used again. Could have done a spin-off with Gal Gadot, Elsa Pataky, Kurt Russell, Scott Eastwood, Luke Evans, and Hemsworth, which would've been more than good enough cast for one of these silly ass movies.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 1, 2019 10:53:27 GMT -5
Red Dead Redemption 2 {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Hosea and Lenny in RDR2. I get it was supposed to piss me off, but both in the same mission?
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 1, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -5
JK Rowling killed off Lupin AND Tonks because she felt like she shouldn't have let Arthur Weasley live in Order. Sod Off, JK you already killed off like 20 people in that book, Tonks and Lupin were just unnecessary. Off blanking camera no less. Don’t even get a Sirius send off, just corpses against the wall. Sorry, still salty. Lupin is my spirit animal (no pun intended) for Harry Potter and still my touchstone. Whenever I read Harry, I hear characters and read them in unique voices. Lupin is my voice coming back.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Sept 1, 2019 14:14:49 GMT -5
could have already been said
Tracy, the Mother in How I Met Your Mother
killed so the long, long ago played out thing of Ted and Rob could end up together
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