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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 16:04:06 GMT -5
I'm sincerely worried about what will happen to them if the Saudi government is displeased in any way. Like if their clothes are too revealing, if they pander to the women in the crowd too much, or just look at someone the wrong way.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 30, 2019 16:26:38 GMT -5
This is a nice cost of paint for the Saudi Govt to put on to cover many of the issues that have been going on. I am glad for the women involved in the match, and maybe it does something for someone in the crowd, but the company not country get no credit in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 17:02:55 GMT -5
Probably just because their outfits are easier to convert into full body suits than most of what the other women are wearing and they are willing to go.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 30, 2019 17:23:09 GMT -5
I'm sincerely worried about what will happen to them if the Saudi government is displeased in any way. Like if their clothes are too revealing, if they pander to the women in the crowd too much, or just look at someone the wrong way. They'll be OK unless they visit the Saudi embassy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 17:27:53 GMT -5
I just wonder why Nattie and Lacey were chosen. Hmm...
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 30, 2019 17:40:51 GMT -5
I just wonder why Nattie and Lacey were chosen. Hmm... I'm actually shocked Nattie is even allowed in the country, with the issues Canada and SA have had
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 17:48:24 GMT -5
I just wonder why Nattie and Lacey were chosen. Hmm... I'm actually shocked Nattie is even allowed in the country, with the issues Canada and SA have had I remember Nattie going last time. Maybe they used her to build up good will. As for Lacey, I'm not sure. I mean she's a blonde hair blue eyed "American woman" so maybe that's why she was picked. She's like that poster child from the war days in appearance. I mean, that was her gimmick.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 30, 2019 18:01:59 GMT -5
I'm actually shocked Nattie is even allowed in the country, with the issues Canada and SA have had I remember Nattie going last time. Maybe they used her to build up good will. As for Lacey, I'm not sure. I mean she's a blonde hair blue eyed "American woman" so maybe that's why she was picked. She's like that poster child from the war days in appearance. I mean, that was her gimmick. I figured you were going for "they're both buxom blondes" which I agree with, but I also totally forgot that Nattie's dad was American
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 30, 2019 19:36:15 GMT -5
I think some people have a myopic view of what the catalyst of change can be. Yes protests , laws , and activist cause change, but also things we may view as insignificant can also make a difference.
One of the leading causes of people rejecting extremism in Afghanistan was the David Letterman show.
Abraham Lincoln credited author Harriet Beecher Stowe for inspiring people to fight for freedom in the civil war, and all she did was write a fictional story portraying slaves as real people.
Wwe is not signing legislation or organizing a giant march, but they are doing something that can only be seen as a positive nonetheless.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 30, 2019 20:23:39 GMT -5
I think some people have a myopic view of what the catalyst of change can be. Yes protests , laws , and activist cause change, but also things we may view as insignificant can also make a difference. One of the leading causes of people rejecting extremism in Afghanistan was the David Letterman show. Abraham Lincoln credited author Harriet Beecher Stowe for inspiring people to fight for freedom in the civil war, and all she did was write a fictional story portraying slaves as real people. Wwe is not signing legislation or organizing a giant march, but they are doing something that can only be seen as a positive nonetheless. They're running state-funded propaganda shows, it feels like people keep dancing around the way that they are complicit here in a massive international PR push. Letterman wasn't getting shady money from the Taliban, Stowe didn't own a plantation full of slaves while she wrote her works. WWE is profiting from Saudi Arabia's desire to have western media companies legitimize them, and amid everyone else pulling out and even canceling ownership stakes of their companies after the Khashoggi murder last year, WWE has stayed the course and continued to run shows. They have tried to get a match to put on so that they can pad their PR resumes while getting bigger-than-Wrestlemania influxes of dirty money to help make Saudi Arabia seem like a good place to go on vacation. They aren't trying to change things from the inside, and they are very much in bed with the worst elements of this for their own financial gain. The pushback is because WWE is going to take soemthing that benefits the women of WWE and portray it like some kind of global good, while happily talking about how great it is that the Saudis are finally 'letting' women drive. Taking 50+ million dollars a show to run tourism ads is not a noble cause and unless they're pulling some kind of Canadian Caper-esque covert mission to get in there and smuggle people safely out of the country, nothing they're doing on Saudi soil is somehow clean or has any kind of net good. This whole show is tainted and this match is the emptiest of gestures.
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 30, 2019 20:54:40 GMT -5
I think some people have a myopic view of what the catalyst of change can be. Yes protests , laws , and activist cause change, but also things we may view as insignificant can also make a difference. One of the leading causes of people rejecting extremism in Afghanistan was the David Letterman show. Abraham Lincoln credited author Harriet Beecher Stowe for inspiring people to fight for freedom in the civil war, and all she did was write a fictional story portraying slaves as real people. Wwe is not signing legislation or organizing a giant march, but they are doing something that can only be seen as a positive nonetheless. They're running state-funded propaganda shows, it feels like people keep dancing around the way that they are complicit here in a massive international PR push. Letterman wasn't getting shady money from the Taliban, Stowe didn't own a plantation full of slaves while she wrote her works. WWE is profiting from Saudi Arabia's desire to have western media companies legitimize them, and amid everyone else pulling out and even canceling ownership stakes of their companies after the Khashoggi murder last year, WWE has stayed the course and continued to run shows. They have tried to get a match to put on so that they can pad their PR resumes while getting bigger-than-Wrestlemania influxes of dirty money to help make Saudi Arabia seem like a good place to go on vacation. They aren't trying to change things from the inside, and they are very much in bed with the worst elements of this for their own financial gain. The pushback is because WWE is going to take soemthing that benefits the women of WWE and portray it like some kind of global good, while happily talking about how great it is that the Saudis are finally 'letting' women drive. Taking 50+ million dollars a show to run tourism ads is not a noble cause and unless they're pulling some kind of Canadian Caper-esque covert mission to get in there and smuggle people safely out of the country, nothing they're doing on Saudi soil is somehow clean or has any kind of net good. This whole show is tainted and this match is the emptiest of gestures. Is it partially pr? Yes. Is wwe making a ton of money off it? Yes. Is Saudi Arabia A crappy country? Yes. I don't think any of that changes the fact this is the right move, and a move that possibly will spark other changes..
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 30, 2019 20:55:57 GMT -5
They're running state-funded propaganda shows, it feels like people keep dancing around the way that they are complicit here in a massive international PR push. Letterman wasn't getting shady money from the Taliban, Stowe didn't own a plantation full of slaves while she wrote her works. WWE is profiting from Saudi Arabia's desire to have western media companies legitimize them, and amid everyone else pulling out and even canceling ownership stakes of their companies after the Khashoggi murder last year, WWE has stayed the course and continued to run shows. They have tried to get a match to put on so that they can pad their PR resumes while getting bigger-than-Wrestlemania influxes of dirty money to help make Saudi Arabia seem like a good place to go on vacation. They aren't trying to change things from the inside, and they are very much in bed with the worst elements of this for their own financial gain. The pushback is because WWE is going to take soemthing that benefits the women of WWE and portray it like some kind of global good, while happily talking about how great it is that the Saudis are finally 'letting' women drive. Taking 50+ million dollars a show to run tourism ads is not a noble cause and unless they're pulling some kind of Canadian Caper-esque covert mission to get in there and smuggle people safely out of the country, nothing they're doing on Saudi soil is somehow clean or has any kind of net good. This whole show is tainted and this match is the emptiest of gestures. Is it partially pr? Yes. Is wwe making a ton of money off it? Yes. Is Saudi Arabia A crappy country? Yes. I don't think any of that changes the fact this is the right move, and a move that possibly will spark other changes.. Not being funny but “Practically PR” is the understatement of the decade.
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 30, 2019 21:08:13 GMT -5
Is it partially pr? Yes. Is wwe making a ton of money off it? Yes. Is Saudi Arabia A crappy country? Yes. I don't think any of that changes the fact this is the right move, and a move that possibly will spark other changes.. Not being funny but “Practically PR” is the understatement of the decade. I do think WWE feels as if the partnership is spreading good will in their own capitalistic way.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 30, 2019 21:08:29 GMT -5
They're running state-funded propaganda shows, it feels like people keep dancing around the way that they are complicit here in a massive international PR push. Letterman wasn't getting shady money from the Taliban, Stowe didn't own a plantation full of slaves while she wrote her works. WWE is profiting from Saudi Arabia's desire to have western media companies legitimize them, and amid everyone else pulling out and even canceling ownership stakes of their companies after the Khashoggi murder last year, WWE has stayed the course and continued to run shows. They have tried to get a match to put on so that they can pad their PR resumes while getting bigger-than-Wrestlemania influxes of dirty money to help make Saudi Arabia seem like a good place to go on vacation. They aren't trying to change things from the inside, and they are very much in bed with the worst elements of this for their own financial gain. The pushback is because WWE is going to take soemthing that benefits the women of WWE and portray it like some kind of global good, while happily talking about how great it is that the Saudis are finally 'letting' women drive. Taking 50+ million dollars a show to run tourism ads is not a noble cause and unless they're pulling some kind of Canadian Caper-esque covert mission to get in there and smuggle people safely out of the country, nothing they're doing on Saudi soil is somehow clean or has any kind of net good. This whole show is tainted and this match is the emptiest of gestures. Is it partially pr? Yes. Is wwe making a ton of money off it? Yes. Is Saudi Arabia A crappy country? Yes. I don't think any of that changes the fact this is the right move, and a move that possibly will spark other changes.. The right move is to not take the dirty money and not prop up and glorify this government. You can't stick a flower in a turd and say "This is the best outcome" when nobody needed to shit on the floor in the first place.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 30, 2019 21:14:33 GMT -5
Not being funny but “Practically PR” is the understatement of the decade. I do think WWE feels as if the partnership is spreading good will in their own capitalistic way. There were other ways of doing that. For example, doing the shows without government intervention, which they had no problem with doing before in Dubai and wouldn’t have a problem with doing with their own TV deals would have been a great start. The problem now is that everything Saudi Arabia does (even the minor stuff like the row with Canada) reflects on WWE for associating themselves with the country rather than looking at them as “spreading good”.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 30, 2019 21:57:53 GMT -5
Well, there’s an article up on CNN about it so WWE is getting the PR they wanted.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 30, 2019 21:59:53 GMT -5
I'll count this one as a win. Regardless of reasoning, and there's a lot to say about it, at the end at least it's better than not having the women wrestle.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 30, 2019 22:03:35 GMT -5
They cut an entire PPV dedicated to focusing on their Women's roster and "The progression of Women's Wrestling"... for one match in Saudi Arabia?
Uh... how does that make sense? Did they just throw millions at Saudi to get them to sign off on the match, because this feels so very counter productive.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Oct 30, 2019 22:16:08 GMT -5
what vince mcmahon needs to do is shut the business down and live in a trash can in Idaho
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Post by zrowsdower on Oct 30, 2019 22:18:53 GMT -5
So was there some kind of Mephisto kind of deal to make this possible?
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