Racist Cornette "joke" on NWA Power, and he's outta there.

[Mister Pigwell]

I don't understand this fight so I sure as hell can't moderate it with any sense of comfortableness. So please, let's move on. Thank you.

[Allie Kitsune]

Nov 23, 2019 22:57:07 GMT -5 Heinz Doofenschmirtz said:

Nov 23, 2019 20:53:41 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Even then, I'm really not OK with you casually throwing "goyim" out there like that.

I know you're going to take that as me offending you, but I find it an offensive term myself.

When Gentiles have suffered simply because they have existed for 1800 years then you can be offended. When 8 million Gentiles are killed in camps simply because they exist you can be offended. When Gentiles have their property, their livelihood, and their places of worship taken away because they are Gentiles, you can feel free to be offended. When there are people chanting in the streets ‘Gentiles will not replace us’, you can be offended. Until such time, maybe don’t make false equivalencies.

If anybody has noticed anything about me at all, I'm multi-racial.

There is Jewish ancestry on my father's side.

That said, I understand that since it's paternal, it doesn't count. When it's on your father's side, it means you have no claim to being Jewish.

I still have a problem with not only being rejected, but also being told that I'm an outsider.

I'm ALWAYS told I'm an outsider.

[The Captain]

Nov 23, 2019 20:53:41 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Nov 23, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 The Captain said:

And the rest of the post you quoted explains why that's a dangerous mindset to have.

Even then, I'm really not OK with you casually throwing "goyim" out there like that.

I know you're going to take that as me offending you, but I find it an offensive term myself.

"Goyim" isn't a pejorative. There are other Yiddish words that are, though. And I won't use them.

[Mister Pigwell]

No. Seriously, we're moving on.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Anytime I can't think this thread can't get any stranger. Anyway, Cornette is a man child, and he also, can be charming, intelligent. It's much easier for all bigots to just be just 100% awful people, but it doesn't work like that. Doesn't mean that we need straw arguments or disingenuous positions to defend the guy.

[SAJ Forth]

I think Brian Zane's closing statement in his recent video has extra impact now.

[Dub H]

Nov 23, 2019 22:41:28 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Nov 23, 2019 20:25:54 GMT -5 Celgress said:

One last thing to point out about the clip I posted. Corny states (several times) how "funny," he thought Starvin' Marvin the Ethiopian was from South Park. He then uses the Starvin' Marvin character as a scapegoat for his joke by repeatedly stating South Park also made light of Ethiopian famine. Corny conveniently ignores that the episode criticized corrupt aid organizations and showed Marvin to be a hero in spite of his circumstances.

Yea I was about to say does he realize that episode was 20 years and they actually were making fun of the corrupt system that was meant to help these people

He just keeps saying stupid shit

Yup that is the thing about South Park,it doesn't uso its dark and "offensive" humour as just "haha,he is a racist caricature!" ,it usually plays out to the peoples perception of said racism at a point in the story or are more non-ofensive jokes(like mongolians attacking chinese walls).And still it is not like South Park doesn't get called out too when people think they go too far. Big Gay Al's character being quite divisive among people I spoke about.

Even then I hated the starvin marvin 'givin i sa wit about 10 years too late).It is one of south park biggest L in my opinion. And those two exmaples I gave are season one ,even South Park matured(In its own way).

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

I lost respect for Cornette. The fact his defense was pretty much blame everyone else but himself. Saying it was "AEW fans" What does that have to do with anything? The the joke wasn't one thing but another but still equally bad doesn't make it better.

[hassanchop]

I wonder what Ahmed Johnson will say about him now

[Mozenrath]

Nov 23, 2019 23:35:59 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

Anytime I can't think this thread can't get any stranger. Anyway, Cornette is a man child, and he also, can be charming, intelligent. It's much easier for all bigots to just be just 100% awful people, but it doesn't work like that. Doesn't mean that we need straw arguments or disingenuous positions to defend the guy.

It'd be a much less complicated industry if every shithead was a Buck Zumhofe. Not that level of offense, obviously, good lord no, but being both a shithead AND deeply unlikable.

[Welfare Willis]

Nov 24, 2019 4:59:01 GMT -5 hassanchop said:

I wonder what Ahmed Johnson will say about him now

[spagett]

Meltzer was talking about Cornette on the latest observer radio.

Said he listened to Cornette's "review" of AEW Full Gear and he was shocked at how bad Cornette was. Said Cornette has " A weird obsession" with hating AEW.

Obviously his racist and sexist and homophobic stuff are much bigger issues, but I honestly feel like AEW starting has caused Cornette to be even worse than he normally is.

Meltzer said "Cornette worked himself into a shoot"

[Dub H]

Nov 24, 2019 8:31:25 GMT -5 spagett said:

Meltzer was talking about Cornette on the latest observer radio.

Said he listened to Cornette's "review" of AEW Full Gear and he was shocked at how bad Cornette was. Said Cornette has " A weird obsession" with hating AEW.

Obviously his racist and sexist and homophobic stuff are much bigger issues, but I honestly feel like AEW starting has caused Cornette to be even worse than he normally is.

Meltzer said "Cornette worked himself into a shoot"

everything and everyone he hates in wrestling keeps having success and proving him wrong, getting angrier and insulting then is basically all he has left to do

[Welfare Willis]

Nov 24, 2019 8:31:25 GMT -5 spagett said:

Meltzer was talking about Cornette on the latest observer radio.

Said he listened to Cornette's "review" of AEW Full Gear and he was shocked at how bad Cornette was. Said Cornette has " A weird obsession" with hating AEW.

Obviously his racist and sexist and homophobic stuff are much bigger issues, but I honestly feel like AEW starting has caused Cornette to be even worse than he normally is.

Meltzer said "Cornette worked himself into a shoot"

Yup, I can believe that. I get that he may have a great deal of love for what he views as pro wrestling. I also understand he has a podcast and his viewers expect a certain version of Jim Cornette. So either consciously or not he feels the need to bash what he sees as hurting pro wrestling. However, it's 2019. You can't be insulting women, lbgt, or minorities just because you have a disagreement over what pro wrestling is. People like Kenny Omega, Young Bucks, Joey Ryan are all just trying to make it in the business like a young Jim Cornette was. They don't need to be attacked like they're Satan incarnate. It's not politics, it's pro wrestling. We got bigger things in the world to worry about than invisible hand grenades or a guy flipping people with his dick. Kayfabe is dead. I think that is understood by everyone probably 8 years old and older. Now I think fans can appreciate that these people are highly trained athletes using their bodies to tell a story.

[sdoyle7798]

Nov 23, 2019 18:26:16 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Nov 23, 2019 18:14:49 GMT -5 Celgress said:

Yup, he says the only reason we associate fried chicken with African Americans and Africans is that we are the racist ones. The thought, unbelievably, never crosses his mind, or so he claims.

Edit - Oh, and he adds near the end he loves "Jews" and has never had a problem with them, how odd....

Nov 23, 2019 13:53:49 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

Brian Last is Jewish. Would anyone be shocked if there are recordings or records of Cornette making anti-Semitic comments?

Oh, there is, and it was somehow overlooked and a non-story back in 2014/2015. In the early days of his podcast, Cornette's then co-host (a woman, can't remember her name) decided to have a "well, actually" moment where in a response to criticism about some anti-Jewish remarks being racist, by stating how "the Jews were not a race," which Cornette right after agreed with and piggy-backed on with "Yeah, and Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish!"

It's the moment I stopped with his podcast and it didn't get any traction anywhere, only mildly resurfacing in late 2015 when Cornette racist anti-middle east anti-Muslim comments made her publicly grandstand about leaving the show.

Wait...

So, all Cornette said was "Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish?"

Am I missing some context? Because that doesn't sound anti-Semitic.

Did he make the original statement (which I have not seen and is not posted above) that the female host was defending?

EDIT: It should be noted that I am in no way, shape or form defending Cornette.

I am just strictly looking for more context for the above quoted incident.

[kingoftheindies]

Nov 24, 2019 8:31:25 GMT -5 spagett said:

Meltzer was talking about Cornette on the latest observer radio.

Said he listened to Cornette's "review" of AEW Full Gear and he was shocked at how bad Cornette was. Said Cornette has " A weird obsession" with hating AEW.

Obviously his racist and sexist and homophobic stuff are much bigger issues, but I honestly feel like AEW starting has caused Cornette to be even worse than he normally is.

Meltzer said "Cornette worked himself into a shoot"

There is something to that yes. He said good on everybody when All In happened but it drives him crazy that basically everything he hates in AEW is working.

I also think it drives him insane that Kenny and the Bucks ignore him. While this is never an excuse for anything I still think a lot of the venom he spews towards the Elite is trying to work an angle... hell the Bucks said in their shoot they saw Cornette at an indy convention and he acted like they were working this amazing angle where people thought they hated each other but the Bucks werent in on the plan. I legit think in Cornette's mind he thinks that everybody will view what he says about AEW is Kayfabe and that he could be offered a job there and would draw money.

Again not using that as an excuse but for how over the top he is it kind of makes sense

[Final Countdown Jones]

When Corny's biggest enemy was a pariah jackass easily targeted and criticized for being a complete f***ing goon at every turn and who the fanbase at large was happy to hate because he kind of sucked a lot, it was really simple for Jim. He could splash in some Kevin Dunn hate or whatever else came up, but you always had that sense that he was maybe not the bigger man, but the more successful man. If living well is the best revenge, Jim may have gotten fired from TNA but he wasn't the one who sent TNA crashing and burning year on year and then through Dixie's weird-ass loyalty got the company kicked off of Spike. Any time Russo opened his mouth it was only to let out the most insane, nonsensical, or bigoted thing, and Jim could milk hours out of running him down for it. And sure yeah obviously he's always used his platform to criticize comedy and deathmatch stuff, but his anti-deathmatch stance was often much more reasonable and grounded, and he didn't so readily go off the rails to quite so vividly lose his mind live. Or, look at how he didn't really hit Sami or Owens very hard. He voiced those complaints, but they were guys who made it to WWE and who the audience was way more behind; he said his peace but didn't go back to them obsessively. There wasn't very much point.

Since right around the first real Kenny Omega scandal in the wake of his Wrestle Kingdom match with Okada, things have been different. That's when Jim's crusade really picked up in earnest and became his main driving motivation, and that is also undeniably a major jumping point for the rise in profile of Kenny and the Bucks. You see New Japan's western popularity boom with those guys in strongly featured positions, ROH getting big off the backs of guys Jim didn't want to use in his time running the company, Kenny headlining New Japan shows and being treated seriously as a main event star while the Bucks became the hottest act on the independent scene. They only kept getting bigger and better, and now they have their own promotion full of everything Jim hates that isn't only being enjoyed by the fans, but is solidly pulling the best numbers any non-WWE wrestling has in years. Even the more lax stuff like talking about how Tony Khan is being tkane for a ride by these guys trying to get their loser friends jobs is a cover when Orange Cassidy is getting huge pops.

Hell, look at a lot of the people who clash with him constantly and become other targets. David Starr? High profile UK guy making waves in his strong pushes to improve the industry for the better. Jordynne Grace? Has been on a great couple years of increasing notoriety and star power, is doing great. Joey Janela? Co-promoted some very well received and successful shows full of stuff Cornette loathes and is now on prime time television. The people he's beefing with are all doing a lot better for themselves than the sort of enemies Cornette made his name slamming, they have the support and the notoriety and the success to actually be moving up and succeeding in wrestling. You're kidding yourself if you think that isn't a factor in how much more vile he's being in recent years. He doesn't have the higher ground anymore to shoot down his insults from, and so they're getting more crass and over the top. What used to come easily and land much more successfully is now a panicked race to the bottom.

Obviously there's other factors and shit like the graph I shared earlier in the month showing how much bigger Jim's getting by doing all this and how he's serving an audience demanding more horrid claims, but I think this bigot arms race absolutely has its origins in confronting an enemy he can't win over just by doing what he does. Wrestling is finally moving toward the things he hates, and he's not really prepared for that.

[Milkman Norm]

1. At best Cornette is an older southern man who still says racist things that he grew up hearing/saying at worst he's a active racist. You know the line about the duck so it's a wash.

2. Regarding modern wrestling he has forced himself into a a massive cognitive disconnect. He has admitted that kayfabe is dead for years know. But he won't let himself accept that the old school Bill Watts' type Booker/promoters are no longer in the business on the way they were 40 years ago. There is no gruff bully who's gonna fire Excalibur for not wearing his mask in public because everyone knows it's a friggin gimmick. Jim still thinks,it seems, as though we are just a few years away from the territory days when kayfabe was protected with a mobster mentality. That hasn't been true for nearly 30 years. Last January Brian pointed out that it was the 25th Anniversary of the 94 Rumble so that must talent in the business under 40 has always known wrestling to be a variation of what it is now. Jim scoffed at that and blew it off as if it wasn't true, as if modern wrestling has just become this thing he despises over night.

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 24, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -5 sdoyle7798 said:

Nov 23, 2019 18:26:16 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Oh, there is, and it was somehow overlooked and a non-story back in 2014/2015. In the early days of his podcast, Cornette's then co-host (a woman, can't remember her name) decided to have a "well, actually" moment where in a response to criticism about some anti-Jewish remarks being racist, by stating how "the Jews were not a race," which Cornette right after agreed with and piggy-backed on with "Yeah, and Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish!"

It's the moment I stopped with his podcast and it didn't get any traction anywhere, only mildly resurfacing in late 2015 when Cornette racist anti-middle east anti-Muslim comments made her publicly grandstand about leaving the show.

Wait...

So, all Cornette said was "Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish?"

Am I missing some context? Because that doesn't sound anti-Semitic.

Did he make the original statement (which I have not seen and is not posted above) that the female host was defending?

EDIT: It should be noted that I am in no way, shape or form defending Cornette.

I am just strictly looking for more context for the above quoted incident.

It's a gray area straw argument. Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people are an ethnicity. Sammy (and many, many others in history) have converted to the faith, but that doesn't make them Jewish in terms of ethnicity. Cornette and his buddy are trying to muddy that distinction.

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Nov 23, 2019 18:45:37 GMT -5 efarns said:

Nov 23, 2019 17:34:58 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

That's not a really a question that needs to be asked 

People were offended that's all you need to know

So, I am not supposed to ask, but you are supposed to answer

Also, I only need to know about Mark Henry. That's all I'm supposed to know

This is the brand of reaction that I have the huge problem with.

We refuse to engage to you because you've made it clear you don't approach this with any intention besides shit stirring. If all you do is focus your argument on "how can I piss off everyone by taking the side that is clearly wrong, and not even in a logical dissection 'Devil's Advocate' approach, but deliberately take the side like I genuinely agree with the bigot", don't expect people to treat you as anything but a cretin.