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Post by deezy on Dec 14, 2019 4:09:48 GMT -5
The one replacing Bischoff was Prichard; if there is any control at all in that position it was always going to lead to the women getting downplayed. Very good point. I totally forgot about Pritchard.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 14, 2019 5:56:20 GMT -5
I'm surprised we haven't heard any talks about a 1 hour weekly show dedicated only to the women's division. Crazy idea, blur this show with Total Diva's "storylines." What? No buyers for this concept? If they gave the first hour of Raw to women and combined the rosters and added a midcard belt to make their own brand. It could be the best wrestling show on television and probably get better ratings too. Then they could send a few more guys over to Smackdown and even things out a bet. It wouldn’t fix all of WWE’s problems but it would help from seeing the same matches week after week.
Its a nice idea in theory, but I don't think you could get away with one of the major shows not having a women's division. It'd be way too noticeable an absence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 6:01:29 GMT -5
Really it's just a mix of factors going against it - Prichard is probably the biggest one, but it's also just a really damn bad division where the only real person with any credibility is Alexa and she's injured constantly.
Building around Sasha and Bayley isn't helping. Sasha had any remaining credibility completely shot by bringing her back as a big deal for the Becky feud just to be destroyed at every turn and Bayley is just terrible.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 14, 2019 6:34:06 GMT -5
Far as Smackdown goes, it kind of trends back toward one of my main thoughts about their Survivor Series tag match. Across those three teams were four of the best women in the world, and then also Team Smackdown was there. Even the WWE-made women on Team NXT still ostensibly learning to wrestle were running laps around the WWE-made Team Smackdown competitors of Lacey Evans and Carmella, to the point Carmella tripped on Bianca Belair and that just felt like a poetic statement from the universe. There's just a very, very steep drop in the big players over on Smackdown compared to the other two womens' roster, but with how bloated the company overall is you can't even say an easy fix would be to bring NXT women up to Smackdown. Doubly so knowing VInce is gonna Vince.
There's a lot wrong in presentation too, but Smackdown's fighting an uphill battle with a really shallow division. Possibly tied in to the ways that Smackdown wasn't going to treat women as a priority and so lots of the more capable names were put on Raw.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 14, 2019 7:44:45 GMT -5
It's easy to blame Prichard and I'm sure he's not helping, but to be fair the SD women's division is really lacking from an in ring standpoint. Almost all of the workate girls (Charlotte, Becky, Asuka, Kairi, and to a lesser extent Natalya) went to Raw. Sasha is great and Bayley and Nikki are solid but after those three it takes quite the drop as everyone else are homegrown developmental talents. Other then Charlotte I don't think the WWE has ever developed a good in ring women's wrestler. All of the good ones they've worked indies prior to coming in. It is frustrating to see the short matches but Alexa, Carmella, Mandy, Sonya, Lacey, and Dana aren't people you are going to trust to have good long matches.
Booking hasn't helped either. I mean was there really any reason why Lacey couldn't be on tonight's show? They just turned her face and they're setting her up as the next challenger for the title and yet they couldn't even be bothered to put her on at all. I mean really how hard would've it had been to just have her run out after Bayley's match and clear her from the ring? Yet they couldn't be bothered. I don't know if there's an injury but they talked about her in Bayley's backstage promo so obviously that's the program going forward. Then again they left Becky, possibly the FOTC, off Raw two weeks in a row for no reason so who knows why they do these things.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 14, 2019 8:00:27 GMT -5
Loved that Bayley / Lacey build up tonight... Oh, wait. There's no SD women's division when the only ones that matter are Sasha & Bayley (and Alexa when she's not injured)Alexa's continued presence is really making WWE look bad when they try to act like the Diva-era way of doing things is completely dead and buried. She embodies everything WWE claims they eliminated from the women's division 3-4 years ago. How does Alexa embody that exactly, except being the best woman on the roster on the mic, which they somehow have taken from her?
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Post by cjh on Dec 14, 2019 8:56:19 GMT -5
Alexa's continued presence is really making WWE look bad when they try to act like the Diva-era way of doing things is completely dead and buried. She embodies everything WWE claims they eliminated from the women's division 3-4 years ago. How does Alexa embody that exactly, except being the best woman on the roster on the mic, which they somehow have taken from her? She has little-to-no wrestling ability at a time where the women's division is centered and marketed around match quality, yet she's still a multiple time champion. As I said, she represents a blatant exception to what the division is now supposed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:58:35 GMT -5
How does Alexa embody that exactly, except being the best woman on the roster on the mic, which they somehow have taken from her? She has little-to-no wrestling ability at a time where the women's division is centered and marketed around match quality, yet she's still a multiple time champion. As I said, she represents a blatant exception to what the division is now supposed to be. I feel like that's a pretty dramatic overstatement. She isn't anything special in the ring, but I wouldn't call her anywhere near the worst. Hell, I'd probably say she's a much better wrestler than the current champ is.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 14, 2019 9:21:27 GMT -5
How does Alexa embody that exactly, except being the best woman on the roster on the mic, which they somehow have taken from her? She has little-to-no wrestling ability at a time where the women's division is centered and marketed around match quality, yet she's still a multiple time champion. As I said, she represents a blatant exception to what the division is now supposed to be. What is the division supposed to be, exactly?
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Post by cjh on Dec 14, 2019 9:38:02 GMT -5
She has little-to-no wrestling ability at a time where the women's division is centered and marketed around match quality, yet she's still a multiple time champion. As I said, she represents a blatant exception to what the division is now supposed to be. I feel like that's a pretty dramatic overstatement. She isn't anything special in the ring, but I wouldn't call her anywhere near the worst. Hell, I'd probably say she's a much better wrestler than the current champ is. If Bayley retired before her main roster call up, her stuff in NXT was better than Alexa has ever done match-wise.
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Post by cjh on Dec 14, 2019 9:40:37 GMT -5
She has little-to-no wrestling ability at a time where the women's division is centered and marketed around match quality, yet she's still a multiple time champion. As I said, she represents a blatant exception to what the division is now supposed to be. What is the division supposed to be, exactly? It's pretty much based on match quality, and the women having matches that are just as good or better than what the men are doing. Alexa has little place in such a division because she only manages passable or lousy matches even with great opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:40:54 GMT -5
I feel like that's a pretty dramatic overstatement. She isn't anything special in the ring, but I wouldn't call her anywhere near the worst. Hell, I'd probably say she's a much better wrestler than the current champ is. If Bayley retired before her main roster call up, her stuff in NXT was better than Alexa has ever done match-wise. I mean, sure, and she's done jack shit that's anywhere near that good ever since.
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Post by cjh on Dec 14, 2019 9:43:37 GMT -5
If Bayley retired before her main roster call up, her stuff in NXT was better than Alexa has ever done match-wise. I mean, sure, and she's done jack shit that's anywhere near that good ever since. It's still more than Alexa has shown in her entire career in terms of quality matches. Even Asuka couldn't get much out of her.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 14, 2019 9:47:19 GMT -5
If they gave the first hour of Raw to women and combined the rosters and added a midcard belt to make their own brand. It could be the best wrestling show on television and probably get better ratings too. Then they could send a few more guys over to Smackdown and even things out a bet. It wouldn’t fix all of WWE’s problems but it would help from seeing the same matches week after week. Its a nice idea in theory, but I don't think you could get away with one of the major shows not having a women's division. It'd be way too noticeable an absence.
I don't even think the WWE needs to subtract from one of the shows. Why not a weekly highlight show focused solely on the women's division and it's storylines? I understand that the network has it's hoops to jump through securing the footage from FOX and USA, but there has to be some way to give this division, across the 3 brands, a show where only the women are emphasized. I do like the idea of focusing a given timeslot of RAW/SD/NXT to the women, but I assume a suit has already decided that it would be "ratings poison." I just have a hard time digesting that the WWE has it's own network, and yet 205 Live can be a thing, yet the women can't be highlighted every week. Man, put a women focused highlight reel/clip show on YouTube every week, and it would be something I'd invest my time into.
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Post by schma on Dec 14, 2019 10:40:54 GMT -5
It was pretty clear the "Women's Revolution" was mainly to get Rousey on board and now that she's gone, screw it. That apathy also applies to virtually all of the men but the women have had a steeper hill to climb. This kills me. They finally give women the ball and they ran with it. They were putting on matches of the year and really showing great stuff. Evolution was one of the best PPVs of the year. The second Ronda left they just abandoned it all. In a situation where reactions were largely positive and one of their biggest stars is the head of the division, it makes zero sense to go back to the old booking of barely giving them the time of say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:38:30 GMT -5
Alexa's continued presence is really making WWE look bad when they try to act like the Diva-era way of doing things is completely dead and buried. She embodies everything WWE claims they eliminated from the women's division 3-4 years ago. How does Alexa embody that exactly, except being the best woman on the roster on the mic, which they somehow have taken from her? Alexa's personality and mic skills alone put her head and shoulders above the divas era stuff. I can admit she's not a very good singles wrestler even as a fan of hers, but in the tag team with Nikki she's been fine IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:00:08 GMT -5
Vince has a plan. You guys need to trust in Vince.
p.s I may or may not be drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 1:14:20 GMT -5
I feel like instead of 205 Live, they should had done a hour long women brand show. Had it be the fourth band between NXT, RAW And Smackdown.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 15, 2019 3:54:32 GMT -5
I find SD, as a whole, to be dismal. Some of the FFH stuff is ok. But other than that, bleh to all of it. The live threads echo your sentiment, they have record lows. Lower than pre-taped Smackdowns of yesteryear. The interest in that brand has really gone f***ing ice cold and they aren't helping at all with this absolute terrible presentation.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 15, 2019 4:01:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not sure WWE really knows how to book a two hour show that can feature multiple divisions any more, particularly a women's division. Raw's women consistently get time, but that's partially to fill time on a show that's too long to begin with.
And before someone points out that NXT has featured it's Women's division quite well, that's only a recent development in it of itself. For several years, NXT was completely unable to feature a secondary non-title feud capable enough to get featured on a Takeover until this year's Summer.
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