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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 13, 2019 22:28:08 GMT -5
Watching the last few weeks, its been hard to avoid how the SD women's division isn't really a priority to the show. They only rarely get more than 4-5 minutes for a match, and there's been a pretty consistent focus on looks motivating stories in a way that feels very reminiscent of the old Divas era. Worse, moments like Elias's song tonight about how Bayley "looks like a dude" with her haircut show that its not merely a heels-trying-to-get-heat thing as you could have interpreted it when it was just Mandy Rose making lame jokes about Nikki Cross. They haven't had a match over 10 minutes since the Charlotte/Bayley main event back in October (they've had four matches at the 8-9 min mark, the last being Sasha/Rhea/Charlotte), and in the last three episodes haven't had a women's match run longer than four minutes.
Its disappointing (especially after a lot of the advertising and promotion prior to the start of SD-on-Fox emphasised women by heavily using Charlotte and Becky), and I hope WWE can do better.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 13, 2019 22:31:55 GMT -5
They're clearly spinning their wheels with both main roster women's divisions. I assume that will change when Ronda inevitably wins the Rumble.
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Post by Perd on Dec 13, 2019 22:37:02 GMT -5
I find SD, as a whole, to be dismal. Some of the FFH stuff is ok. But other than that, bleh to all of it.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 13, 2019 22:46:31 GMT -5
They're clearly spinning their wheels with both main roster women's divisions. I assume that will change when Ronda inevitably wins the Rumble.
Sure, but at the same time, they're still getting a lot of match time on Raw. While most weeks they're only running one women's match, they're frequently getting more than fifteen minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 22:48:07 GMT -5
They have booked themselves into a corner...they have depended so long on doing everything through the 4H and putting the 4H over every other woman that none of the other women matter.
But yet NXT has perhaps the most stacked womens roster ever definetly in WWE and have established a big 5 and have multiple womens feuds running at the same time away from the title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 22:49:03 GMT -5
I feel like Nikki Cross is the best booked woman they have on SD right now. They should just put the title on her.
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Post by dbrussel on Dec 13, 2019 22:52:35 GMT -5
Loved that Bayley / Lacey build up tonight... Oh, wait.
There's no SD women's division when the only ones that matter are Sasha & Bayley (and Alexa when she's not injured)
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 13, 2019 22:54:57 GMT -5
I'm surprised we haven't heard any talks about a 1 hour weekly show dedicated only to the women's division.
Crazy idea, blur this show with Total Diva's "storylines."
What? No buyers for this concept?
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 13, 2019 22:56:04 GMT -5
Grim...
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 13, 2019 23:03:07 GMT -5
Loved that Bayley / Lacey build up tonight... Oh, wait. There's no SD women's division when the only ones that matter are Sasha & Bayley (and Alexa when she's not injured)
Not using Lacey tonight was a strange call in my opinion. She's gotten strong crowd responses the last two weeks and I thought they might have tried to build on that.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 13, 2019 23:12:08 GMT -5
They have booked themselves into a corner...they have depended so long on doing everything through the 4H and putting the 4H over every other woman that none of the other women matter. But yet NXT has perhaps the most stacked womens roster ever definetly in WWE and have established a big 5 and have multiple womens feuds running at the same time away from the title. I'm guessing that the majority of that big 5 are going to be moved to Raw/SD cause those 2 rosters are severely lacking in credible Heels. Raw just has the KW and SD only has Banks/Bayley.
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Post by cjh on Dec 13, 2019 23:21:09 GMT -5
Loved that Bayley / Lacey build up tonight... Oh, wait. There's no SD women's division when the only ones that matter are Sasha & Bayley (and Alexa when she's not injured)Alexa's continued presence is really making WWE look bad when they try to act like the Diva-era way of doing things is completely dead and buried. She embodies everything WWE claims they eliminated from the women's division 3-4 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 23:22:31 GMT -5
They have booked themselves into a corner...they have depended so long on doing everything through the 4H and putting the 4H over every other woman that none of the other women matter. But yet NXT has perhaps the most stacked womens roster ever definetly in WWE and have established a big 5 and have multiple womens feuds running at the same time away from the title. I'm guessing that the majority of that big 5 are going to be moved to Raw/SD cause those 2 rosters are severely lacking in credible Heels. Raw just has the KW and SD only has Banks/Bayley. Well Shayna is definetly being moved soon and I would not doubt they want Rhea up shortly after Mania. Bianca is an obvious move to pair with her husband on Raw but that would hurt way more than help..since she is clearly being positioned to be in the thick of title contention once Shayna drops it. Now that NXT is positioned as the 3rd brand it would benefit some of those main roster women to come back to NXT for extended runs...The IIconics are wasting away so f*** it send them to NXT to re-establish them.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 13, 2019 23:59:07 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the majority of that big 5 are going to be moved to Raw/SD cause those 2 rosters are severely lacking in credible Heels. Raw just has the KW and SD only has Banks/Bayley. Well Shayna is definetly being moved soon and I would not doubt they want Rhea up shortly after Mania. Bianca is an obvious move to pair with her husband on Raw but that would hurt way more than help..since she is clearly being positioned to be in the thick of title contention once Shayna drops it. Now that NXT is positioned as the 3rd brand it would benefit some of those main roster women to come back to NXT for extended runs...The IIconics are wasting away so f*** it send them to NXT to re-establish them.
And if they were to do that, give them a chance to do their excellent comedy work on TV, don't just leave it for online segments a lot of the audience doesn't see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 0:19:17 GMT -5
It was pretty clear the "Women's Revolution" was mainly to get Rousey on board and now that she's gone, screw it.
That apathy also applies to virtually all of the men but the women have had a steeper hill to climb.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 14, 2019 0:27:07 GMT -5
They have booked themselves into a corner...they have depended so long on doing everything through the 4H and putting the 4H over every other woman that none of the other women matter. But yet NXT has perhaps the most stacked womens roster ever definetly in WWE and have established a big 5 and have multiple womens feuds running at the same time away from the title.Damn right. Rhea's going for the title and has the angle with Shayna, but she's also got unfinished business with Dakota, and still has an alliance with the other members of Team Rhea (I like that they haven't had them just split up after War Games). Dakota's main story is against Tegan, but she's got the Mia feud going, and Candice and Rhea are still connected to her. That's leaving out that she still wants the title. Candice has the alliance with Rhea, unfinished business with Dakota, and the blood feud with Io still going. Shayna's got the feud with Rhea, but also she and her goons have been attacking the entire roster, so outside of her goons she really doesn't have anybody she can count on. NXT has made it to where the Women's Division (that gets on television) is all connected, with multiple angles going on at the same time. Not long ago Shayna came down and attacked Xia for no reason, that right there gives Xia history with Shayna.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 14, 2019 1:42:05 GMT -5
The one replacing Bischoff was Prichard; if there is any control at all in that position it was always going to lead to the women getting downplayed.
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Post by gl83 on Dec 14, 2019 1:45:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the majority of that big 5 are going to be moved to Raw/SD cause those 2 rosters are severely lacking in credible Heels. Raw just has the KW and SD only has Banks/Bayley. Well Shayna is definetly being moved soon and I would not doubt they want Rhea up shortly after Mania. Bianca is an obvious move to pair with her husband on Raw but that would hurt way more than help..since she is clearly being positioned to be in the thick of title contention once Shayna drops it. Now that NXT is positioned as the 3rd brand it would benefit some of those main roster women to come back to NXT for extended runs...The IIconics are wasting away so f*** it send them to NXT to re-establish them. I say Bianca because she's probably the longest tenured girl down in NXT not named Aliyah or Vanessa Borne. And she's been stuck in limbo spinning her wheels kinda like Nikki Cross was at this point last year. My guess is that moving forward NXT will go with Io & Dakota as their Top Heels with Rhea & Tegan as their Top Faces. As for main roster women possibly being moved to NXT, I could definitely see a Ruby Riott or a Ember Moon fitting that mold.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 1:54:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised we haven't heard any talks about a 1 hour weekly show dedicated only to the women's division. Crazy idea, blur this show with Total Diva's "storylines." What? No buyers for this concept? If they gave the first hour of Raw to women and combined the rosters and added a midcard belt to make their own brand. It could be the best wrestling show on television and probably get better ratings too. Then they could send a few more guys over to Smackdown and even things out a bet. It wouldn’t fix all of WWE’s problems but it would help from seeing the same matches week after week.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 14, 2019 2:12:00 GMT -5
I'm surprised we haven't heard any talks about a 1 hour weekly show dedicated only to the women's division. Crazy idea, blur this show with Total Diva's "storylines." What? No buyers for this concept? If they gave the first hour of Raw to women and combined the rosters and added a midcard belt to make their own brand. It could be the best wrestling show on television and probably get better ratings too. Then they could send a few more guys over to Smackdown and even things out a bet. It wouldn’t fix all of WWE’s problems but it would help from seeing the same matches week after week. All I'm saying is that it worked for NXT. You have your own network programming. Do some market research and let's see what the fans want. Not just an weekly, hour, but full focus on women's wrestling history. Let's get some interviews. Let's get two women from different eras debate who is the best. Let's get Santina Marella talking smack. C'mon, give me any farking reason to resubscribe.
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