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Post by realist on Dec 18, 2019 7:57:32 GMT -5
I agree with just about everything said in this thread. Another big problem for them is oversaturation. 3 hours every Monday is a huge commitment to ask of fans every Monday night (not to mention all of their other shows). Take me for example, I used to watch Monday Night Raw religiously since its debut. Now, having a family of my own, a job, and other obligations, I will not give them that much of my time. In the words of Jim Barnett, "I just can't." It is so much easier and more convenient for me to watch a 20 to 30 minute highlight video on YouTube the next morning while doing my cardio.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2019 8:05:27 GMT -5
What's sad is that you've seen WWE try a couple of ideas over the past year to change things up a little, but they don't stick with anything; remember that whole "make the third hour really Raw" thing that they had Foley introduce? They have to be willing to try some new ideas that could cost them viewers in the short term, but that likely help them in the long run, even if USA/NBC wouldn't want to hear that, but they don't run with anything for long. Heyman at least seems to be trying it by building up newer guys like Black and Murphy, which can mean having what amount to jobber squashes on Raw, but it's hard to have faith that the promotion itself, or Vince more specifically, will let it go anywhere. Yeah, 2019 did see some breaks from status quo, most notably Kofi, but other stuff as well. Most of it wasn't consistently stuck with, though, or the execution was too uneven or half-hearted to really capture fan imagination. I often wonder nowadays if Vince's 11th hour approach has reached a toxic point where even for shows he's not even at, the people booking are so on-guard about having the rug pulled out from under them that they still are unable to commit to anything that deviates. Why should they when Vince may drop in and shutter it all?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 18, 2019 8:09:35 GMT -5
These ratings for RAW get more and more brutal each month and each year. God knows what they'll be getting this time next year. It'll just be the wrestler's families watching. Not their immediate family mind you, but like their cousins.
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Post by eJm on Dec 18, 2019 8:26:34 GMT -5
It is so much easier and more convenient for me to watch a 20 to 30 minute highlight video on YouTube the next morning while doing my cardio. Hell, WWE on FOX’s YouTube channel has videos of both shows condensed down to 3 minutes, which is wild.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 18, 2019 10:34:10 GMT -5
There’s not really a solution if the shows are going to continue being 3 hours long, with a 2 hour NXT show Wednesday, a 2 hour Smackdown Friday, a 4-5 hour pay per view on Sunday once a month, etc.
There’s no incentive to watch it live when you can just DVR it and fast forward through commercials and the segments you’re not interested in and watch the show in 1-2 hours. I believe their DVR numbers add about 500K each week and I’d bet a ton of people watch those YouTube recaps they do of the show as a whole and of each segment.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 18, 2019 14:40:56 GMT -5
Will next week average under 2 million..?
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Dec 18, 2019 15:51:46 GMT -5
Will next week average under 2 million..? Find out next as Raw rolls on!
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Post by paywindah on Dec 18, 2019 17:19:33 GMT -5
We can complain all we want but the fact is they can coast for another 3 years. Then they have to start finding ways to spike ratings just long enough to con another network or two to sign them to a new TV deal.
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Post by eJm on Dec 18, 2019 17:30:58 GMT -5
We can complain all we want but the fact is they can coast for another 3 years. Then they have to start finding ways to spike ratings just long enough to con another network or two to sign them to a new TV deal. It’s not even a long con. When Mr. Robot ends, USA will have literally no other shows as successful or critically acclaimed to hang their hat on. If they lose WWE, they wouldn’t be near the top 50 in ratings and demographics. Basically, USA need WWE just as much as WWE needs USA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:35:56 GMT -5
We can complain all we want but the fact is they can coast for another 3 years. Then they have to start finding ways to spike ratings just long enough to con another network or two to sign them to a new TV deal. It’s not even a long con. When Mr. Robot ends, USA will have literally no other shows as successful or critically acclaimed to hang their hat on. If they lose WWE, they wouldn’t be near the top 50 in ratings and demographics. Basically, USA need WWE just as much as WWE needs USA. I really don't at all understand what the people running USA have been thinking with it for a long time now. They were killing it in the days when they had stuff like Monk and Psych so you'd think would just try more like that, especially given it's a pretty underrepresented TV niche at the moment, but they prefer to just keep chasing the popular trends hoping desperately their next bleak and dreary ongoing story will be the next Breaking Bad or that their next "event series" (still don't know what the f*** that even means besides just marketing) actually manages to make anyone anywhere actually care. Really they and WWE deserve each other because they're about as equally completely out of touch and staving off a slow death.
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Post by cjh on Dec 18, 2019 17:54:07 GMT -5
It’s not even a long con. When Mr. Robot ends, USA will have literally no other shows as successful or critically acclaimed to hang their hat on. If they lose WWE, they wouldn’t be near the top 50 in ratings and demographics. Basically, USA need WWE just as much as WWE needs USA. I really don't at all understand what the people running USA have been thinking with it for a long time now. They were killing it in the days when they had stuff like Monk and Psych so you'd think would just try more like that, especially given it's a pretty underrepresented TV niche at the moment, but they prefer to just keep chasing the popular trends hoping desperately their next bleak and dreary ongoing story will be the next Breaking Bad or that their next "event series" (still don't know what the f*** that even means besides just marketing) actually manages to make anyone anywhere actually care. Really they and WWE deserve each other because they're about as equally completely out of touch and staving off a slow death. I think it means the show is a mini-series or an anthology series.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 18, 2019 18:07:49 GMT -5
We can complain all we want but the fact is they can coast for another 3 years. Then they have to start finding ways to spike ratings just long enough to con another network or two to sign them to a new TV deal. It’s not even a long con. When Mr. Robot ends, USA will have literally no other shows as successful or critically acclaimed to hang their hat on. If they lose WWE, they wouldn’t be near the top 50 in ratings and demographics. Basically, USA need WWE just as much as WWE needs USA. WWE/USA right now:
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 18, 2019 19:55:51 GMT -5
USA just needs to remind people that an all new Silk Stalkings is up next!
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 18, 2019 22:08:07 GMT -5
How does this compare to Dynamite? If AEW not only beats NXT head to head, but WWE's flagship show on a different night, we can say they're truly winning right now.
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 18, 2019 22:57:51 GMT -5
How does this compare to Dynamite? If AEW not only beats NXT head to head, but WWE's flagship show on a different night, we can say they're truly winning right now. 2.5-3x more viewers than Dynamite on average.
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 18, 2019 23:09:24 GMT -5
Based on these trends it looks like viewership will reach -0.13 million by 2026.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 18, 2019 23:21:35 GMT -5
Losing over a million and a half fans on average in the years of Brock's reigns of terror and Roman Reigns main eventing four straight Mania's. Can't imagine why people would be tuning out when there's such interesting variety and change going on in the WWE and everyone feels so important! And Brock's rumored to be having a Mania title match again this year so... yeah, have fun with that needle dropping further Mr. F*** emcMahon
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