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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 7, 2020 20:37:56 GMT -5
Hey look, another gimmick and storyline I remember basically... going nowhere.
Hell the Proteus Wheel from what I remember turned out to be a big bust in the end, Nicodemus was planned to be a new big bad and "genetically enhance" wrestlers to make them better like Snow Troll (Who also vanished) and all the people involved felt like they did nothing special
A shame because Calhoun, MAM, and Babish were a nice faction on paper.
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Post by Rave on Jul 7, 2020 21:35:07 GMT -5
Hey look, another gimmick and storyline I remember basically... going nowhere. Hell the Proteus Wheel from what I remember turned out to be a big bust in the end, Nicodemus was planned to be a new big bad and "genetically enhance" wrestlers to make them better like Snow Troll (Who also vanished) and all the people involved felt like they did nothing special A shame because Calhoun, MAM, and Babish were a nice faction on paper. It wasn't just the Wheel. We had several heel factions in recent history that just went bust. The Wheel, the Creatures, the Nouveau Aesthetic...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 7, 2020 21:40:07 GMT -5
Hey look, another gimmick and storyline I remember basically... going nowhere. Hell the Proteus Wheel from what I remember turned out to be a big bust in the end, Nicodemus was planned to be a new big bad and "genetically enhance" wrestlers to make them better like Snow Troll (Who also vanished) and all the people involved felt like they did nothing special A shame because Calhoun, MAM, and Babish were a nice faction on paper. It wasn't just the Wheel. We had several heel factions in recent history that just went bust. The Wheel, the Creatures, the Nouveau Aesthetic... Creatures of the Deep, somewhat They buried the faction including Merlok's monster aura for Oceana to become a new top force and then uh oh, Ashley Vox was getting higher tier'd bookings so I guess she got too expensive for Quack so as quick as she was built up she was torn down and never seen again Shit like that took me out of CHIKARA hard. Started really with the GEKIDO when Quack just murdered 17, it makes it feel like "What was the point?".
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 11, 2020 17:45:29 GMT -5
Frantik has rebooted himself
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 11, 2020 23:07:30 GMT -5
Frantik has rebooted himself TWIST: Frantik was adorable this whole time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 12, 2020 5:31:47 GMT -5
Frantik has rebooted himself TWIST: Frantik was adorable this whole time. He's gonna destroy wrestling and people will be going "aww" too much to stop him!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 12, 2020 8:12:20 GMT -5
It wasn't just the Wheel. We had several heel factions in recent history that just went bust. The Wheel, the Creatures, the Nouveau Aesthetic... Creatures of the Deep, somewhat They buried the faction including Merlok's monster aura for Oceana to become a new top force and then uh oh, Ashley Vox was getting higher tier'd bookings so I guess she got too expensive for Quack so as quick as she was built up she was torn down and never seen again Shit like that took me out of CHIKARA hard. Started really with the GEKIDO when Quack just murdered 17, it makes it feel like "What was the point?". I know Quack being a control freak is known but some if the stories that come out are so over the top. Ive seen wrestlers say if they didn't use he inflection in a promo Quack wanted he would scrap whole angles without explanation.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 12, 2020 22:39:59 GMT -5
It wasn't just the Wheel. We had several heel factions in recent history that just went bust. The Wheel, the Creatures, the Nouveau Aesthetic... Creatures of the Deep, somewhat They buried the faction including Merlok's monster aura for Oceana to become a new top force and then uh oh, Ashley Vox was getting higher tier'd bookings so I guess she got too expensive for Quack so as quick as she was built up she was torn down and never seen again Shit like that took me out of CHIKARA hard. Started really with the GEKIDO when Quack just murdered 17, it makes it feel like "What was the point?". Honestly, I was happy for Creatures of the Deep to die, because that meant I never had to watch Merlok/Oceana's terrifying finisher ever again. But do add the New FIST to the list. I was certain Fire Ant was gonna turn on the new colony and join them, and we'd have an Asshole Veteran Squad, and Asshole Veteran is always a good gimmick. (one suspects Quack realized he didn't actually like making someone going around saying "young wrestlers have it too easy" into the bad guy) This trend is especially weird to think about when he kept the Kevin Condron character going even after Condron left. Snowflake's character trajectory was great (though Condron's twitter was a big part) so... just give it to someone else? And THEN do nothing with it?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2020 5:25:22 GMT -5
Creatures of the Deep, somewhat They buried the faction including Merlok's monster aura for Oceana to become a new top force and then uh oh, Ashley Vox was getting higher tier'd bookings so I guess she got too expensive for Quack so as quick as she was built up she was torn down and never seen again Shit like that took me out of CHIKARA hard. Started really with the GEKIDO when Quack just murdered 17, it makes it feel like "What was the point?". Honestly, I was happy for Creatures of the Deep to die, because that meant I never had to watch Merlok/Oceana's terrifying finisher ever again. But do add the New FIST to the list. I was certain Fire Ant was gonna turn on the new colony and join them, and we'd have an Asshole Veteran Squad, and Asshole Veteran is always a good gimmick. (one suspects Quack realized he didn't actually like making someone going around saying "young wrestlers have it too easy" into the bad guy) This trend is especially weird to think about when he kept the Kevin Condron character going even after Condron left. Snowflake's character trajectory was great (though Condron's twitter was a big part) so... just give it to someone else? And THEN do nothing with it? The clear plan was for Akuma to reinute with Icarus but then he retired (Or at this point Semi-Retired, he wrestles for Excellence last I checked) which is why he was torturing Huckabee, but then it ended up being Huckabee as the new Akuma and Deppen as the new Chuck Taylor... and people just weren't buying it. Not even a knock to Huckabee and Deppen, it was just awkward that a FRIENDS trio was built around the matriarch having new friends. At least when Gargano joined there was storyline to it. Huckabee didn't even get to take Akuma out to take his spot, it just... ended. Deppen was also starting to get bigger bookings on the indies so it doesn't shock me Quack was phasing him out and booking him less, again that was a strong pattern of his near the last few years of CHIKARA.
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Post by Rave on Jul 13, 2020 12:02:18 GMT -5
I know Quack being a control freak is known but some if the stories that come out are so over the top. Ive seen wrestlers say if they didn't use he inflection in a promo Quack wanted he would scrap whole angles without explanation. So we've discussed the problem of cookie cutter dialogue and what happens when nobody bothers to personalize it in the past. This is related to that. Go nuts if you're writing just for yourself, but if you're writing for someone else, you can't write it as if you were saying it and you can't demand someone else say it exactly like you would. You can convey the tone you intend to go with the words, but in the end they've gotta make it their own for it to work. Not even a knock to Huckabee and Deppen, it was just awkward that a FRIENDS trio was built around the matriarch having new friends. To be fair, I remember a promo (wanting to say 2012 or early 2013 because Suge was there) where it's pretty clear that they forgot just what the acronym stood for.
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Post by sushiburrito on Jul 14, 2020 12:23:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I was happy for Creatures of the Deep to die, because that meant I never had to watch Merlok/Oceana's terrifying finisher ever again. But do add the New FIST to the list. I was certain Fire Ant was gonna turn on the new colony and join them, and we'd have an Asshole Veteran Squad, and Asshole Veteran is always a good gimmick. (one suspects Quack realized he didn't actually like making someone going around saying "young wrestlers have it too easy" into the bad guy) This trend is especially weird to think about when he kept the Kevin Condron character going even after Condron left. Snowflake's character trajectory was great (though Condron's twitter was a big part) so... just give it to someone else? And THEN do nothing with it? The clear plan was for Akuma to reinute with Icarus but then he retired (Or at this point Semi-Retired, he wrestles for Excellence last I checked) which is why he was torturing Huckabee, but then it ended up being Huckabee as the new Akuma and Deppen as the new Chuck Taylor... and people just weren't buying it. Not even a knock to Huckabee and Deppen, it was just awkward that a FRIENDS trio was built around the matriarch having new friends. At least when Gargano joined there was storyline to it. Huckabee didn't even get to take Akuma out to take his spot, it just... ended. Deppen was also starting to get bigger bookings on the indies so it doesn't shock me Quack was phasing him out and booking him less, again that was a strong pattern of his near the last few years of CHIKARA.
Matriarch?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2020 14:18:58 GMT -5
The clear plan was for Akuma to reinute with Icarus but then he retired (Or at this point Semi-Retired, he wrestles for Excellence last I checked) which is why he was torturing Huckabee, but then it ended up being Huckabee as the new Akuma and Deppen as the new Chuck Taylor... and people just weren't buying it. Not even a knock to Huckabee and Deppen, it was just awkward that a FRIENDS trio was built around the matriarch having new friends. At least when Gargano joined there was storyline to it. Huckabee didn't even get to take Akuma out to take his spot, it just... ended. Deppen was also starting to get bigger bookings on the indies so it doesn't shock me Quack was phasing him out and booking him less, again that was a strong pattern of his near the last few years of CHIKARA.
Matriarch?
Icarus, who was always the leader of FIST at least it felt that way, especially considering he proceeded to have the big world title push and everything later Which is all tainted now since he had some serious allegations thrown his way as well. Dude was the "savior of CHIKARA" and that whole thing now just feels sad to look back on knowing this.
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Post by sushiburrito on Jul 14, 2020 14:35:20 GMT -5
Icarus, who was always the leader of FIST at least it felt that way, especially considering he proceeded to have the big world title push and everything later Which is all tainted now since he had some serious allegations thrown his way as well. Dude was the "savior of CHIKARA" and that whole thing now just feels sad to look back on knowing this.
Right I'm aware Icarus was the leader of FIST. I'm curious why you called him a matriarch. That means female leader.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2020 14:36:51 GMT -5
Icarus, who was always the leader of FIST at least it felt that way, especially considering he proceeded to have the big world title push and everything later Which is all tainted now since he had some serious allegations thrown his way as well. Dude was the "savior of CHIKARA" and that whole thing now just feels sad to look back on knowing this.
Right I'm aware Icarus was the leader of FIST. I'm curious why you called him a matriarch. That means female leader.
Well, when he grew his hair long...
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Post by sushiburrito on Jul 14, 2020 14:43:37 GMT -5
Right I'm aware Icarus was the leader of FIST. I'm curious why you called him a matriarch. That means female leader.
Well, when he grew his hair long...
So you're insulting people by using female terms for them? Not sexist at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2020 14:58:14 GMT -5
Well, when he grew his hair long...
So you're insulting people by using female terms for them? Not sexist at all.
Woof I was just trying to make a silly joke to lighten the mood, in truth I probably just used matriarch by mistake and just meant a term for leader
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Post by sushiburrito on Jul 14, 2020 18:55:33 GMT -5
So you're insulting people by using female terms for them? Not sexist at all.
Woof I was just trying to make a silly joke to lighten the mood, in truth I probably just used matriarch by mistake and just meant a term for leader Male version is Patriarch. Woof woof.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2020 18:59:41 GMT -5
Woof I was just trying to make a silly joke to lighten the mood, in truth I probably just used matriarch by mistake and just meant a term for leader Male version is Patriarch. Woof woof. Ok, was my mistake. I think you took it a little too harshly though I wasn't meaning anything sexist by it whatsoever, literally made a joke that CHIKARA commentary probably would have made given how much of a heel Icarus was.
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Post by sushiburrito on Jul 15, 2020 7:08:43 GMT -5
Male version is Patriarch. Woof woof. Ok, was my mistake. I think you took it a little too harshly though I wasn't meaning anything sexist by it whatsoever, literally made a joke that CHIKARA commentary probably would have made given how much of a heel Icarus was.
Thanks for admitting your mistake.
No need to say I took it too harshly. We're all allowed to take things however we want.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 15, 2020 7:14:37 GMT -5
Ok, was my mistake. I think you took it a little too harshly though I wasn't meaning anything sexist by it whatsoever, literally made a joke that CHIKARA commentary probably would have made given how much of a heel Icarus was.
Thanks for admitting your mistake.
No need to say I took it too harshly. We're all allowed to take things however we want.
It was my mistake, I'm just sorry you took it the wrong way it wasn't my intent at all.
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