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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 1, 2020 22:40:08 GMT -5
Razerhawk and Danjerhawk are now Neowyng and Mach10: The.Air.Show
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 1, 2020 23:16:37 GMT -5
Razerhawk and Danjerhawk are now Neowyng and Mach10: The.Air.Show Might as well still do the gimmick under different names, cleanse yourselves of the bullshit
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 2, 2020 0:00:39 GMT -5
Razerhawk and Danjerhawk are now Neowyng and Mach10: The.Air.Show Might as well still do the gimmick under different names, cleanse yourselves of the bullshit Here's hoping they more bring in the elements of being RADICAL DUDE 90s takes on what the future would be like. Always thought that was money.
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Post by Rave on Jul 2, 2020 1:31:43 GMT -5
I was fine with Chikara until the "Secret Season". I mean, I had issues with some of the booking prior to that, but I figured "Hey, it's wrestling. I always have issues with some of the booking". But when the "Secret Season" came around I thought it was a mismanaged trainwreck, and the seasons afterwards were largely the same. Like several other things already mentioned prior, season 17 was a good idea in theory, but the execution was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Waiting for releases made tracking points a nightmare. Airing segments visibly out of order contributed to the Furies failing right out of the gate. Mantis' title reign...yeesh.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 2, 2020 1:37:21 GMT -5
I was fine with Chikara until the "Secret Season". I mean, I had issues with some of the booking prior to that, but I figured "Hey, it's wrestling. I always have issues with some of the booking". But when the "Secret Season" came around I thought it was a mismanaged trainwreck, and the seasons afterwards were largely the same. Like several other things already mentioned prior, season 17 was a good idea in theory, but the execution was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Waiting for releases made tracking points a nightmare. Airing segments visibly out of order contributed to the Furies failing right out of the gate. Mantis' title reign...yeesh. Whisper and Kimber Lee's whole relationship also never made a lick of sense to me. When they "Accidentally" became Campeones de Parajas I felt like CHIKARA had hit a WWE point in their tag team wrestling, when they at one point had one of the most solid tag team rosters anywhere.
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Post by Rave on Jul 2, 2020 1:47:46 GMT -5
Like several other things already mentioned prior, season 17 was a good idea in theory, but the execution was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Waiting for releases made tracking points a nightmare. Airing segments visibly out of order contributed to the Furies failing right out of the gate. Mantis' title reign...yeesh. Whisper and Kimber Lee's whole relationship also never made a lick of sense to me. When they "Accidentally" became Campeones de Parajas I felt like CHIKARA had hit a WWE point in their tag team wrestling, when they at one point had one of the most solid tag team rosters anywhere. I firmly believe that it was meant to remain a dangling plot point, but Kim flaking out of WWE changed that. Making her being a bitch to KE4TPG in WiF!, something that people knew or could easily find about and that nobody seemed to have a problem with, into her "terrible secret" was really bad. At the time, I headcanon'd the whole thing as a guilt complex born of weak will, but it's not like we'll ever get any kind of answer to what was up with the whole thing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 2, 2020 1:52:22 GMT -5
I was fine with Chikara until the "Secret Season". I mean, I had issues with some of the booking prior to that, but I figured "Hey, it's wrestling. I always have issues with some of the booking". But when the "Secret Season" came around I thought it was a mismanaged trainwreck, and the seasons afterwards were largely the same. Like several other things already mentioned prior, season 17 was a good idea in theory, but the execution was awful. When you think "bingeable", you think whole seasons at once, not staggered chunks. Waiting for releases made tracking points a nightmare. Airing segments visibly out of order contributed to the Furies failing right out of the gate. Mantis' title reign...yeesh. Having Ultramantis Black's grand championship win take place in the secret season was stupid... I mean I get having a shock new champion... it kinda makes sense... on the other hand... it kinda ruins what happens to an extent in the season... I mean you know someone is getting 3 points and challenging and winning... But like... you don't do that with Ultramantis... yeah he's a DEVIOUS HEEL! but like he is a massive crowd favorite while claiming to be devious... let him have his moment with the fans... especially with how they were apparently still taping/releasing stuff as season 18 went forward...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 2, 2020 2:18:45 GMT -5
Whisper and Kimber Lee's whole relationship also never made a lick of sense to me. When they "Accidentally" became Campeones de Parajas I felt like CHIKARA had hit a WWE point in their tag team wrestling, when they at one point had one of the most solid tag team rosters anywhere. I firmly believe that it was meant to remain a dangling plot point, but Kim flaking out of WWE changed that. Making her being a bitch to KE4TPG in WiF!, something that people knew or could easily find about and that nobody seemed to have a problem with, into her "terrible secret" was really bad. At the time, I headcanon'd the whole thing as a guilt complex born of weak will, but it's not like we'll ever get any kind of answer to what was up with the whole thing. I don't understand how that was supposed to be some grand secret either, didn't they all compete in a King of Trios as well?? Wrestling if Fun is the promotion all the CHIKARA fans watched for a year until the other Wrestling Is started getting forcably "shut down" one by one, it was the catalyst for the "Revival" of CHIKARA, and everyone watched it. Hell it's where DRAGON DRAGON "died".
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Post by Rave on Jul 5, 2020 11:33:21 GMT -5
I firmly believe that it was meant to remain a dangling plot point, but Kim flaking out of WWE changed that. Making her being a bitch to KE4TPG in WiF!, something that people knew or could easily find about and that nobody seemed to have a problem with, into her "terrible secret" was really bad. At the time, I headcanon'd the whole thing as a guilt complex born of weak will, but it's not like we'll ever get any kind of answer to what was up with the whole thing. I don't understand how that was supposed to be some grand secret either, didn't they all compete in a King of Trios as well?? Wrestling if Fun is the promotion all the CHIKARA fans watched for a year until the other Wrestling Is started getting forcably "shut down" one by one, it was the catalyst for the "Revival" of CHIKARA, and everyone watched it. Hell it's where DRAGON DRAGON "died". Yup, Kim and KE4TPG competed in the 2014 King of Trios. Everything there was s'posed to be CHIKARA canon with all the people coming in from it, yet we weren't s'posed to remember that Kim was a bitch and bought the CdP. Utter bullshit to that. Then the follow up is for Donst to get written out in the shutdown angle in a very weird way where it almost seemed like he was under a medically induced trance, and Jakob, who was set to be a white hot babyface everyone wanted to cheer, became a Dr. Doom knockoff with a new BDK that... was short lived and never really went anywhere aside from him losing to Kingston, which would also be Kingston's last match with the company. I headcanon that Jakob's descent into insanity could have been prevented completely had Icarus not blown off Donst's request regarding the YLC. I disagree with one thing here: the fans during the secret season. Because a lot of times, they were kids, and those kids seemed to be having a blast, and that was the best part of the whole thing for me. Fair point, but I did find something else to get frustrated over Mantis dropped the title to Juan Fransisco who proceeded to have the longest and most boring f***ing title reign with the Grand Championship... and then he got outed as a f***ing creep, so his entire run with the belt really taints the legacy of the championship as a whole, and I hate that Mantis dropped it to him even more so now... Oh jeez. I have been very vocal about how much I hated that title reign. I used to love Juan Francisco as a douchebag heel, but that reign killed him completely for me. Next to nothing happened during it. Beyond his association with the Closers (and having one faction control the major titles was stupid too) and antagonizing Dasher, he didn't really do anything. His matches always happened the same way, with copious amounts of cheating. Wouldn't have killed them to mix that up a little. It got so bad that him getting kicked out of Ecuador and the Closers mauling him was cathartic. Then he got outed as a creep and yeah, never want to see the guy again. Another aside, any new wrestlers introduced in it like Huckabee and Whisper never fell interesting even if you DID watch the season. Whisper felt like a discount Kondron at the beginning... He pretty much was a discount Kondron for a good portion of his run. He inherited Troll, he inherited MAM, he prob'ly would've inherited Argus had he not vanished too. Challenge of The Immortals was CHIKARA's inevitable downfall. A years worth of basically filler, and CHIKARA relocating almost all of their matches to their WrestleFactory location. It was them basically showing what the direction would be for the company going forward, a "Thanks for coming" for the Shutdown/Flood angle along with a ton of their roster and talent leaving as well or never sticking around for long. In the end, it all just felt like people were duped and that's why CHIKARA lost a large chunk of their audience. The thing with the COTI is that, like several other things, the idea was sound, but it could've been planned and executed so much better than how it turned out. Partway through, as I expected it to be brought back down the road, I even started to refer to it as a "test run", it was that rough. We didn't even get official point totals for half of it, FFS. The idea of an open draft led to some interesting pairings, but I feel was hampered by several teams just picking their usual people. If we see most of these people together normally, it's not going to be as thrilling to see them together for a big tournament. And Golden Opportunities, beyond Kim's usage, pretty much sucked. Re: the Shutdown/Flood. I've written copious amounts on this subject. I'm in the camp who thought it turned out well, but I also feel it could've turned out better had CHIKARA actually put forth more of an effort to include people who couldn't physically be there. A whole bunch of us busted our asses to help bridge that gap, but there's only so much fans can do. Plus I still hold something of a grudge that we were never allowed to crack that Titor login. Don't put that stuff there if you don't want people to try it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2020 18:07:16 GMT -5
I also think another decline of CHIKARA's quality is when they stopped using Smart Mark Video and decided to use their own platform of CHIKARAtopia. The quality dip always stuck around to me. Smart Mark felt like I was watching something serious, like of the highest quality, from great angles to capture the action. Some livestreaming stuff was a bit iffy, but yeah for me that's another thing that hurt them after the COTI/WrestleFactory relocation
Oh that and the fact that they announced a big west tour and never did it, even after re-opening after the shutdown. I had friends in California at the time so excited to see CHIKARA for the first time, and they were pissed.
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Post by mattyy on Jul 5, 2020 18:41:38 GMT -5
I stopped watching after the Smart Mark split. You really didn't realize how much they did for CHIKARA. Go watch the first Event Center post split. It looks like someone shot it on a 2008 iPhone and chormakeyed the background out.
Which begs the question.. who actually owns CHIKARA's footage? Does SMV own or have part ownership?
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jul 5, 2020 19:49:14 GMT -5
I stopped watching after the Smart Mark split. You really didn't realize how much they did for CHIKARA. Go watch the first Event Center post split. It looks like someone shot it on a 2008 iPhone and chormakeyed the background out. Which begs the question.. who actually owns CHIKARA's footage? Does SMV own or have part ownership? Smart Mark I think has rights to everything through season 15. I'm basing that on the fact that other than last year's KoT, the last show available on their sight is Top Banana. Was the split during or after season 15? As far as filming, I mean.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 5, 2020 19:52:18 GMT -5
I also think another decline of CHIKARA's quality is when they stopped using Smart Mark Video and decided to use their own platform of CHIKARAtopia. The quality dip always stuck around to me. Smart Mark felt like I was watching something serious, like of the highest quality, from great angles to capture the action. Some livestreaming stuff was a bit iffy, but yeah for me that's another thing that hurt them after the COTI/WrestleFactory relocation Oh that and the fact that they announced a big west tour and never did it, even after re-opening after the shutdown. I had friends in California at the time so excited to see CHIKARA for the first time, and they were pissed. Yeah SMV were great at even making the shows at the tiny community centers seem professional...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 5, 2020 20:35:36 GMT -5
I also think another decline of CHIKARA's quality is when they stopped using Smart Mark Video and decided to use their own platform of CHIKARAtopia. The quality dip always stuck around to me. Smart Mark felt like I was watching something serious, like of the highest quality, from great angles to capture the action. Some livestreaming stuff was a bit iffy, but yeah for me that's another thing that hurt them after the COTI/WrestleFactory relocation Oh that and the fact that they announced a big west tour and never did it, even after re-opening after the shutdown. I had friends in California at the time so excited to see CHIKARA for the first time, and they were pissed. Yeah SMV were great at even making the shows at the tiny community centers seem professional... They're still around too. Not sure if they help out with IWTV or Powerbomb but they're still doing their thing.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jul 5, 2020 21:48:56 GMT -5
I also think another decline of CHIKARA's quality is when they stopped using Smart Mark Video and decided to use their own platform of CHIKARAtopia. The quality dip always stuck around to me. Smart Mark felt like I was watching something serious, like of the highest quality, from great angles to capture the action. Some livestreaming stuff was a bit iffy, but yeah for me that's another thing that hurt them after the COTI/WrestleFactory relocation Oh that and the fact that they announced a big west tour and never did it, even after re-opening after the shutdown. I had friends in California at the time so excited to see CHIKARA for the first time, and they were pissed. And one of those stops was gonna be Sioux Falls, SD. And then finding out that it was never gonna happen, I was kinda pissed about it.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 6, 2020 21:51:19 GMT -5
Oh jeez. I have been very vocal about how much I hated that title reign. I used to love Juan Francisco as a douchebag heel, but that reign killed him completely for me. Next to nothing happened during it. Beyond his association with the Closers (and having one faction control the major titles was stupid too) and antagonizing Dasher, he didn't really do anything. His matches always happened the same way, with copious amounts of cheating. Wouldn't have killed them to mix that up a little. It got so bad that him getting kicked out of Ecuador and the Closers mauling him was cathartic. Then he got outed as a creep and yeah, never want to see the guy again. They actually started something halfway interesting with him, I remember... he would carry around the Official Wrestling Rulebook, and the idea was, he knew all the ways to cheat without actually cheating. But... nothing ever happened with that. Honestly, except for half of Kingston's reign, and a little bit of Icarus's, none of the grand championship storylines were ever any good until Touchdown and Dasher (which admittedly was a superb story). The big issue turned out to be that the storyline they wanted (underdog loser team gets their shit together and wins) sounds great on paper but is very difficult to make work in practice without being very very boring. Well, and the other issue was that half the teams were just totally random and it was too hard to keep track of who was on what team, much less where they all stood. If they'd all been themed, it'd have worked a lot better.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 6, 2020 21:56:59 GMT -5
I thought I did a good job of keeping accurate results and standings for the COTI.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 7, 2020 5:16:36 GMT -5
I stopped watching after the Smart Mark split. You really didn't realize how much they did for CHIKARA. Go watch the first Event Center post split. It looks like someone shot it on a 2008 iPhone and chormakeyed the background out. Which begs the question.. who actually owns CHIKARA's footage? Does SMV own or have part ownership? Quack sold the video rights to IWTV which also is merged with SMV and I forgot which other streaming platforms has CHIKARA as well.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Jul 7, 2020 10:00:12 GMT -5
I also think another decline of CHIKARA's quality is when they stopped using Smart Mark Video and decided to use their own platform of CHIKARAtopia. The quality dip always stuck around to me. Smart Mark felt like I was watching something serious, like of the highest quality, from great angles to capture the action. Some livestreaming stuff was a bit iffy, but yeah for me that's another thing that hurt them after the COTI/WrestleFactory relocation Oh that and the fact that they announced a big west tour and never did it, even after re-opening after the shutdown. I had friends in California at the time so excited to see CHIKARA for the first time, and they were pissed. I was one of them. I got into Chikara right around 08-09, so seeing them planning this tour close to me was exciting. All for naught I suppose. I struggled to get back into it after the shutdown. It had the name Chikara, but it always felt like a bit of the spirit was lost after Never Compromise. The Wrestling Is promotions tried to bridge the gap, but it just never felt like it had the same aura.
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Post by Rave on Jul 7, 2020 11:47:25 GMT -5
They actually started something halfway interesting with him, I remember... he would carry around the Official Wrestling Rulebook, and the idea was, he knew all the ways to cheat without actually cheating. But... nothing ever happened with that. Stuff being abruptly dropped seemed to become a big thing in Chikara in the last several seasons, and it always irritated me. If the glacial storytelling had just sped up a bit, we could've had so much more. Dasher/Touchdown worked so well that some of us seeing the twist coming a mile away did nothing to damage it, mainly because IMO it was the best possible outcome. I was casting doubt on Dasher months in advance. Some dickhead anon on Tumblr decided to send me mail shitting all over me for that. When the twist came, I laughed so hard and hoped that dickhead anon felt stupid. If not for Dasher, Touchdown, and the loaded elbow pad, Crown and Court wouldn't have even gotten that far. Third place would've been a pretty respectable finish for the team everyone saw as a joke, but they fell upward into the finals after Dasher dropped all his points. For me, it was the random teams that were more interesting. Beyond seeing people with no prior association having to work together, that seemed to be where much of the story that we did get out of the COTI came from.
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