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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2020 15:48:44 GMT -5
Flash Season 3 was bad because Savitar was a really lame villain and I'd call it the low point of the series. Season 4 was a mixed bag and Thinker was an even lamer villain than Savitar on paper. But Neil Sandilands was so good in the role that he made it work better than it really should have. I thought S5 was a big jump in quality, though, even in spite of Cicada being pretty lame himself (though the second Cicada was pretty neat) mostly on the strength of the main cast, with Candice Patton really stepping up her acting game with Iris. Also helped that they brought back Eobard Thawne, who is such a wonderful villain and he played a great long game. Thawne and Zoom are easily the two best villains in the series so far. Bloodwork was kinda neat this season, but he's also felt like a distraction from Crisis looming over everyone's head. It also seems like he's done with, so no idea what they're going to do with the second half of the season post-Crisis.
Tom Cavanagh is also the MVP of the series with all the different versions of Harrison Wells he's played over the seasons, along with when he also plays Thawne. H.R. in S3 was one of the few things I liked about that season, along with Tom Felton's Julian Albert.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2020 15:49:23 GMT -5
Yea when I was thinking of forced relationships Clark and Lana is up there but that was literally built up from the beginning with Clark having a crush on her to eventually them not being able to be together despite that is what both wanted Also Clark wasn't written to be with every woman except when he was on that kryptonite juice. Yea it was more like every woman came onto Clark Alicia was the only one that he legit gravitated towards to having a legit relationship with. Others it was an outside influence red K or magic etc Yea which helped their relationship that no matter what Clark always had eyes for Lana and she had her two boyfriends that were killed off but you saw it building Even Chloe tried to shoot her shot with Clark but it didn't work. Adds nice continuity in later seasons when she is upset at him for not turning back time to save "fake Jimmy Olsen" but he did it for Lana which we all know was a disaster as it led to him losing his father Damn I forgot how good Smallville got after they got past the monster of the week Season 1
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2020 15:54:37 GMT -5
I never got into Smallville that much, but man was I glad when they finally started putting Clark and Lois together. Also helped that Erica Durance is IMO a much better actress than Kristin Kreuk and had better chemistry with Tom Welling.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2020 15:56:38 GMT -5
I never got into Smallville that much, but man was I glad when they finally started putting Clark and Lois together. Also helped that Erica Durance is IMO a much better actress than Kristin Kreuk and had better chemistry with Tom Welling. Well Erica started out rough but when they finally started having her be actual Lois Lane, her and Clark clicked instantly Clark and Lana relationship carried the first 5 seasons tho which wasn't bad as it was still him forming into his young adult years and you got to see the fall out of heartbreak and basically their whole relationship spanning over a few years
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:02:03 GMT -5
I never got into Smallville that much, but man was I glad when they finally started putting Clark and Lois together. Also helped that Erica Durance is IMO a much better actress than Kristin Kreuk and had better chemistry with Tom Welling. That one is debatable because even though the relationship was written clearly as Toxic ...Kristins chemistry with Tom is pretty undeniable. Lois and Clark really came into their own by the end but leading up to that point especially early on it just wasn't there even though everyone knew they were destined to be. This scene IMO cemented their chemistry and is Kristins best acted scene. Guess in a way it a tale both working in different ways. Erica is great with more quippy light hearted moments But Kristin leaves her in the dust with the more emotional stuff like the scene above
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 4, 2020 16:03:39 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag. When it's good, it's very good but when it's bad it's pretty dire. I've made it to season 6? I think before I just sort of ran out of interest outside of crossover stuff.
Its bigger legacy is introducing all the DC spin off shows, pretty much all of which I like better than Arrow.
Legends is the best once it embraced being completely bonkers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2020 16:15:18 GMT -5
I never got into Smallville that much, but man was I glad when they finally started putting Clark and Lois together. Also helped that Erica Durance is IMO a much better actress than Kristin Kreuk and had better chemistry with Tom Welling. That one is debatable because even though the relationship was written clearly as Toxic ...Kristins chemistry with Tom is pretty undeniable. Lois and Clark really came into their own by the end but leading up to that point especially early on it just wasn't there even though everyone knew they were destined to be. This scene IMO cemented their chemistry and is Kristins best acted scene. Guess in a way it a tale both working in different ways. Erica is great with more quippy light hearted moments But Kristin leaves her in the dust with the more emotional stuff like the scene above Yea, the start of Lois and Clark was rough just because Erica didn't really have the character down yet and she wasn't really Lois Lane. Once they started to make that turn with the character it worked out and she grew as an actress as well feeling like the woman Clark needs to be with it Kristin beats her on the emotional stuff tho. She played her part well from being indifferent to really loving him when their relationship went full blown
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:19:36 GMT -5
That one is debatable because even though the relationship was written clearly as Toxic ...Kristins chemistry with Tom is pretty undeniable. Lois and Clark really came into their own by the end but leading up to that point especially early on it just wasn't there even though everyone knew they were destined to be. This scene IMO cemented their chemistry and is Kristins best acted scene. Guess in a way it a tale both working in different ways. Erica is great with more quippy light hearted moments But Kristin leaves her in the dust with the more emotional stuff like the scene above Yea, the start of Lois and Clark was rough just because Erica didn't really have the character down yet and she wasn't really Lois Lane. Once they started to make that turn with the character it worked out and she grew as an actress as well feeling like the woman Clark needs to be with it Kristin beats her on the emotional stuff tho. She played her part well from being indifferent to really loving him when their relationship went full blown When it comes to when I knew Erica had truly nailed the Lois character down and IMO is when I was like she at best is on par with Terri Hatcher as the best Lois Lane PERFECT in every way and is when I was like okay NOW this has now all finally clicked she IS Lois Lane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 17:49:25 GMT -5
Flash Season 3 was bad because Savitar was a really lame villain and I'd call it the low point of the series. Season 4 was a mixed bag and Thinker was an even lamer villain than Savitar on paper. But Neil Sandilands was so good in the role that he made it work better than it really should have. I thought S5 was a big jump in quality, though, even in spite of Cicada being pretty lame himself (though the second Cicada was pretty neat) mostly on the strength of the main cast, with Candice Patton really stepping up her acting game with Iris. Also helped that they brought back Eobard Thawne, who is such a wonderful villain and he played a great long game. Thawne and Zoom are easily the two best villains in the series so far. Bloodwork was kinda neat this season, but he's also felt like a distraction from Crisis looming over everyone's head. It also seems like he's done with, so no idea what they're going to do with the second half of the season post-Crisis. Tom Cavanagh is also the MVP of the series with all the different versions of Harrison Wells he's played over the seasons, along with when he also plays Thawne. H.R. in S3 was one of the few things I liked about that season, along with Tom Felton's Julian Albert.
The Thinker IMO was the best non speedster villan(untill argueably bloodwork)...untill they started doing all the body swap bullshit idk if it was just a script choice or whatever but if they just kept Neil in the role I think The Thinker(ha) would have been up there with Zoom and Eobard as the best villans in The Flash if not Arrowverse. Soooo good and it is nothing but a battle of wits.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 5, 2020 8:36:23 GMT -5
I thought that was a good acting choice from Amell. Oliver went through hell for 5 years, he's gonna have some serious baggage. Also, from his time on Lian Yu, he saw some of the closest people to him like Robert, Yao Fei, Shado, and Slade (he did come back, but all Oliver knew his former "brother" had turned against him and he had to kill him), die, and thought Sara was dead. So him shutting himself off from others made sense. Thanks to Dig, Thea, Roy, Laurel, Felicity, Sara, Barry, Quentin, and Kara, he opened himself up more. Stephen also called audibles on some things for Oliver and the directors and showrunners went along with it, thinking it was a better idea. Like I remember Stephen talking about this one scene where a woman Oliver had a fling with in his playboy phase told him she got pregnant but miscarried. It could've been William's mother, thinking about it. The original direction for the scene was for Oliver to be a real selfish dick and just act relieved that he didn't have to take responsibility for a kid. But Stephen wanted Oliver to have a more human reaction to it and while he said the dialogue as written, he delivered it in a way where it came off like Oliver was putting up an act, but was genuinely upset that they lost the baby. Notice when he got on Lian Yu, Oliver stopped being that playboy douche pretty quickly. So him being disappointed that she lost the baby, makes complete sense. The real Oliver wasn't the playboy douche, the real Oliver was always underneath and came out at that moment, and on Lian Yu. Flash Season 3 was bad because Savitar was a really lame villain and I'd call it the low point of the series. Season 4 was a mixed bag and Thinker was an even lamer villain than Savitar on paper. But Neil Sandilands was so good in the role that he made it work better than it really should have. I thought S5 was a big jump in quality, though, even in spite of Cicada being pretty lame himself (though the second Cicada was pretty neat) mostly on the strength of the main cast, with Candice Patton really stepping up her acting game with Iris. Also helped that they brought back Eobard Thawne, who is such a wonderful villain and he played a great long game. Thawne and Zoom are easily the two best villains in the series so far. Bloodwork was kinda neat this season, but he's also felt like a distraction from Crisis looming over everyone's head. It also seems like he's done with, so no idea what they're going to do with the second half of the season post-Crisis. Tom Cavanagh is also the MVP of the series with all the different versions of Harrison Wells he's played over the seasons, along with when he also plays Thawne. H.R. in S3 was one of the few things I liked about that season, along with Tom Felton's Julian Albert.
The Thinker IMO was the best non speedster villan(untill argueably bloodwork)...untill they started doing all the body swap bullshit idk if it was just a script choice or whatever but if they just kept Neil in the role I think The Thinker(ha) would have been up there with Zoom and Eobard as the best villans in The Flash if not Arrowverse. Soooo good and it is nothing but a battle of wits. Don't know if he'd be up there with Wellsobard and Arrow's Holy Trinity of Malcolm, Slade, and Prometheus.
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Post by thatloser on Jan 5, 2020 9:17:38 GMT -5
You know what I will miss about Arrow? The world building. While Flash shows us other dimensions, and Legends kinda shows the world but mostly past versions of it, it's been Arrow that has gone to or mentioned other places in the DC Universe. He's been to places like Nanda Parbat, Hub City (Yet we saw no Vic Sage, still disappointed about that), Coast City and I think at the start of one episode he was in Blüdhaven briefly.
I just wish we got more of Huntress and Ragman before Arrow ended, the last we had heard of them was that Chimera defeated them and took their masks, before they disappeared. (I doubt he killed them as he speared all the heroes we saw him defeat.) and before that, well I think Huntress hadn't appeared since Season 2 and Ragman got about half a season before being written off. I don't think any other Arrowverse show has had such underused heroes, except for Flash and Pied Piper who was revealed to be a good guy and working with the team after Flashpoint and then just vanished after a episode. I mean there is Wally who vanished from the Legends off screen after saying he was going back in the Flash but at least we are meant to be getting more of him.
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