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Post by King Devitt on Jan 3, 2020 4:26:28 GMT -5
As long as NJPW doesn't have god mode locked in, I'll be good with it.
Back when ROH had clout, I hated the way New Japan treated them.
I mean in the end they were kinda justified I suppose, but still even ROH was like "We're second rate! All bow down to NJPW!"
It got old after awhile.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 3, 2020 5:15:02 GMT -5
As long as NJPW doesn't have god mode locked in, I'll be good with it. Back when ROH had clout, I hated the way New Japan treated them. I mean in the end they were kinda justified I suppose, but still even ROH was like "We're second rate! All bow down to NJPW!" It got old after awhile. I very much doubt we'd get that. ROH needed the help selling tickets. AEW rather obviously doesn't. |
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Post by eJm on Jan 3, 2020 5:19:08 GMT -5
As long as NJPW doesn't have god mode locked in, I'll be good with it. Back when ROH had clout, I hated the way New Japan treated them. I mean in the end they were kinda justified I suppose, but still even ROH was like "We're second rate! All bow down to NJPW!" It got old after awhile. I very much doubt we'd get that. ROH needed the help selling tickets. AEW rather obviously doesn't. Also with ROH, AEW's not owned by a media conglomerate that has the policy of "Doing Just Enough". |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 3, 2020 5:24:55 GMT -5
I very much doubt we'd get that. ROH needed the help selling tickets. AEW rather obviously doesn't. Also with ROH, they're not owned by a media conglomerate that has the policy with ROH of "Doing Just Enough". Right. Additionally, the idea presented on the previous page of Omega and the rest of the Elite all over NJPW cards is also really dubious. I am sure Elite people would do some work for NJPW, sure, but there's zero chance either side would send a bunch of top stars over, much less saturate cards. It's almost literally the least likely outcome since it'd be predicated on AEW probably doing some shows with none of the Elite members, since something would have to give, and that'd be pretty asinine, with limited benefit to NJPW in the meantime since sure, there are some money matches to do with some of the Elite members, but little in the way of things we haven't seen before. I know Gedo sometimes loves running things a bunch, like Okada versus SANADA what felt like 40 times last year, but if you were going to bring in guest stars, it'd make more sense to go for ones we haven't seen a lot, or in ways we haven't seen them used a ton. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 3, 2020 6:40:42 GMT -5
No thanks. I’m not excited to see Omega and his boys littering NJPW cards again. That, and Ibushi is starting to establish himself as a main-event level talent, and doesn't need Kenny coming back to overshadow and loom large over him again. |
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Post by corndog on Jan 3, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
No thanks. I’m not excited to see Omega and his boys littering NJPW cards again. I definitely don't want to see them holding all of the championships again or getting special treatment then rarely appearing. I am okay with a few special matches and sharing talent more towards the middle of the card. But New Japan has enough talent now to more than fill their tournaments, especially the G1. |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 3, 2020 11:54:28 GMT -5
I'd really rather they just stay independent of each other, I really am of the opinion if I want to watch a company's guys I'd rather just watch that company and don't really want the complications that can arise from it. I am in a similar boat. If NJPW is serious about marketing more in the US, then showcasing your competition's talent in said market is backwards logic. Mentioning the talent's affiliation is one thing, but making it "Us vs. Them" would be counter-productive for both companies in regards to long-term booking. This was a major gripe of mine about ROHs and NJPWs partnership. It lasted too long and only benefited one company. From this relationship, NJPW got great exposure in the States, and now seems to be distancing itself from ROH, I assume to get their own product over. Other than talent exchange, AEW has little to gain highlighting NJPW talent and their brand in their market, especially if NJPW refuse to put AEW over. With that being said, if BOTH AEW and NJPW struggle in the US after a year's time, then I can see both parties wanting to explore a larger business relationship. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 3, 2020 12:00:00 GMT -5
No thanks. I’m not excited to see Omega and his boys littering NJPW cards again. That, and Ibushi is starting to establish himself as a main-event level talent, and doesn't need Kenny coming back to overshadow and loom large over him again. “Kenny’s little buddy” Ibushi was soooo shitty. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 3, 2020 12:35:04 GMT -5
That, and Ibushi is starting to establish himself as a main-event level talent, and doesn't need Kenny coming back to overshadow and loom large over him again. “Kenny’s little buddy” Ibushi was soooo shitty. I understand the appeal it had to some audiences, but Kota has the talent to make it on his own. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 3, 2020 12:54:20 GMT -5
I’d rather see Stardom work with AEW, but both work for me.
Plus that could potentially lead to some TJPW/Stardom matches.
Hey, a guy can dream.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2020 13:08:44 GMT -5
“Kenny’s little buddy” Ibushi was soooo shitty. I understand the appeal it had to some audiences, but Kota has the talent to make it on his own. For me with the Tanahashi Kenny feud and Ibuahi aftee it it seemed like the plan was all along for Ibushi to break out of anyones Shadow and remind everyone he is his own. Felt like it built to it at least. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 3, 2020 13:09:25 GMT -5
Maybe in a year or so i'm good with it but now nah
Didn't really care for Bucks/Cody holding titles and the BC drama went to shit when Omega said well they can have it. Cody doesn't really fit in NJPW while we have seen a good amount of people from AEW in NJPW. Give it another year or so for the matchups to have a little distance
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 3, 2020 17:35:47 GMT -5
I think people are fundamentally misunderstanding NJPW's situation.
They do not have a televised product in the US anymore. That's not a great place to be when they want to run US shows. I'm not saying they're in peril or something, they're not, but they are in an unarguably weaker place from a promoting stance than they were prior to cancellation.
If things are fine, if they're going to sell out shows all on their own, cool, but I have serious doubts.
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Post by mystermystery on Jan 3, 2020 18:03:36 GMT -5
Could I just get a Lance Archer vs. Luchasaurus match, please?
Hold the Marko with a side of side of Murderhawk?
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jan 3, 2020 18:36:23 GMT -5
I think people are fundamentally misunderstanding NJPW's situation. They do not have a televised product in the US anymore. That's not a great place to be when they want to run US shows. I'm not saying they're in peril or something, they're not, but they are in an unarguably weaker place from a promoting stance than they were prior to cancellation. If things are fine, if they're going to sell out shows all on their own, cool, but I have serious doubts. Yeah, I think people are severely overestimating NJPW here and underestimating the situation NJPW finds itself in. They need AEW more than AEW needs them right now. That's just a fact. Could this be a shot in the arm for AEW? Sure. But does this partnership, and getting NJPW talent on TNT, benefit NJPW way more with their short term and long term goals of expansion into the US? Yes. Way more than getting use of any AEW talent or AEW titles does, outside of arguably Omega (which say what you will about him, but Omega against any of NJPW's talent top will draw in the States or Japan again if it happens and they don't bungle it like they purposely did for Tanahashi/Omega). It's also why I think if a partnership does materialize, AEW won't be over the barrel that ROH was by NJPW. Or, they shouldn't let themselves be. Right now they have more of the power in this deal than NJPW does, and the smart thing to do would be as diplomatic about it as possible (should the tide ever turn or not to potentially spur NJPW to cut ties ASAP after the initial agreement concludes). |
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Post by chrom on Jan 3, 2020 18:40:29 GMT -5
New Japan may have to consider working with them due to Anthem being dicks and cancelling them. It depends on if they can get a channel to showcase them soon.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 3, 2020 19:47:16 GMT -5
New Japan may have to consider working with them due to Anthem being dicks and cancelling them. It depends on if they can get a channel to showcase them soon. Would the Paramount Network or WGN be options? |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 3, 2020 19:49:26 GMT -5
NJPW is still #1 in their market, and have had a lot of exposure in the US. If AEW has success this year, and builds demand for pro-wrestling on television in the US, then NJPW shouldn't have an issue finding another channel.
What doesn't make sense to me is why AEW would help to make this happen? Talent exchanges make for nice fan-service, but when your main goal is to build your own product to compete against the #1 presence, not just in your market, but the world of pro-wrestling, you need to worry about your company's competition, not help them.
In my opinion, AEW already gained all they needed from NJPW. The Elite attached themselves to the Bullet Club name and made it their own, and a huge success. This made them, and NJPW a lot of money, but the Elite also used this relationship to build their own brand. When they realized they had a shot on their own, they took it.
AEW is still in its infancy, and should focus on building their casual audience in the US by making their talent and brand household names, not another company. ROH should have been doing this for years, and even failed still this year by helping the NWA.
One-off, fan-service matches between the two companies would be fine, if not done habitually. Huge dual-headline shows should be the furthest thing either company should be considering at the moment.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 3, 2020 20:33:37 GMT -5
One of the factors of a deal that could be big for New Japan would be being able to book Moxley and Jericho on their US shows, something they presently cannot do. I can't say a big full-scale partnership is the best for either company right now, but finding common ground and working together at least a little can still be something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 21:30:04 GMT -5
Would benefit all parties involved. At the same time who knows what'll happen.
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