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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 9, 2020 20:33:29 GMT -5
And it didn't work.
What gives?
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 9, 2020 20:36:25 GMT -5
It didn't work because they turned Carlito heel, and then had Flair go over him.
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Post by zrowsdower on Jan 9, 2020 20:52:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't respond well, when people give me half assed advice either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:02:01 GMT -5
Really Carlito just never had a very good work ethic. You could tell they absolutely wanted to push him, but you could also clearly tell when he didn't give a damn and was just going through the motions; pretty sure the word at the time was that this was pretty much supposed to be trying to force him to step it up by way of publicly airing the problem but it really didn't work.
Granted they still did all kinds of stupid stuff with him, like that time he could use weapons while Triple H couldn't and he still got absolutely crushed.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 9, 2020 21:08:16 GMT -5
This is like the promo version of that stupid "Lady Yelling/Wily Cat" boomer/millenial meme.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:25:13 GMT -5
Better work for that ' ~ ! This was great segment. I remember when it happened I had all kinds of fantasy scenarios in my head for next two weeks. It sucked after this, regardless.
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Post by Shark on Jan 9, 2020 21:41:41 GMT -5
I honestly blame guys like Carlito and Masters and Kennedy, and others from that time for much of the drought of new talent pushes in WWE. Before their time, talent would come in and get a real, sustained push and rise to the top. Just before them, you had Lesnar, Cena, and Orton come in and once they got rolling, they were off. Then Carltio, Masters, Kennedy, and I'll throw in MVP come in, get big pushes and big wins, then they kept just faltering with either lazy work ethics, Wellness violations, ego problems, constant injuries, or just putting their feet in their mouths at the wrong time, I am convinced it made Vince way more gun shy on pushing new names when they needed to. So now we have guys like Kofi, and Barrett, and Bourne, Drew, and Cody who should have done so much more doing so much less because they get pushed and then forgotten over and over. Or a guy like Bray who gets rebranded over and over because every version of him starts hot and ends up flopping. I'm not saying Vince is blameless, he gets most of it frankly, but those other guys I mentioned are the ones that got Vince second guessing these kinds of pushes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 21:46:10 GMT -5
Wasn't that around the time Carlito was in the doghouse?
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Post by floundertime on Jan 9, 2020 21:47:57 GMT -5
I'm just looking at the YouTube screen shot, but has Flair agenda ton in 13 years. He's lived a hard life, it finally caught up to him
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 21:49:55 GMT -5
I honestly blame guys like Carlito and Masters and Kennedy, and others from that time for much of the drought of new talent pushes in WWE. Before their time, talent would come in and get a real, sustained push and rise to the top. Just before them, you had Lesnar, Cena, and Orton come in and once they got rolling, they were off. Then Carltio, Masters, Kennedy, and I'll throw in MVP come in, get big pushes and big wins, then they kept just faltering with either lazy work ethics, Wellness violations, ego problems, constant injuries, or just putting their feet in their mouths at the wrong time, I am convinced it made Vince way more gun shy on pushing new names when they needed to. So now we have guys like Kofi, and Barrett, and Bourne, Drew, and Cody who should have done so much more doing so much less because they get pushed and then forgotten over and over. Or a guy like Bray who gets rebranded over and over because every version of him starts hot and ends up flopping. I'm not saying Vince is blameless, he gets most of it frankly, but those other guys I mentioned are the ones that got Vince second guessing these kinds of pushes. Ehh work ethic aside, Lesnar getting his big push and leaving is still the ultimate reason why Vince doesn't give his all to wrestlers. Can somewhat add Rock leaving to Hollywood in that example too since it isn't that far apart On a basis of pushes tho yeah Carlito, Masters, Kennedy and by extension MVP didn't achieve the highs they should have. Kennedy especially was the one who f***ed up multiple pushes
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 21:50:24 GMT -5
I'm just looking at the YouTube screen shot, but has Flair agenda ton in 13 years. He's lived a hard life, it finally caught up to him He aged really hard in Evolution
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Post by Andee9001 on Jan 9, 2020 21:50:44 GMT -5
Still one of my favourite Flair promos.
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Post by The Gallus Mark on Jan 9, 2020 22:49:19 GMT -5
That’s one that feels like it would’ve been better if he hyped up Carlito somewhere in there instead of just running him down. Even just saying, “you’ve got potential” in some way
I did seem to remember it differently though
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Post by Perd on Jan 9, 2020 23:18:46 GMT -5
More like Pric Flair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:40:53 GMT -5
They should have had a match at Mania 23... everyone knew Ric was retiring at 24. So he should have been given something to do at 23 besides a preshow lumberjack tag match with Carlito vs. Helms and Chavo.
Hell put them in MitB and have Edge vs. Orton instead. Who really didn’t need to be in that match. Edge could’ve kept his undefeated streak in tact for the undertaker the next year.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 9, 2020 23:46:56 GMT -5
I honestly blame guys like Carlito and Masters and Kennedy, and others from that time for much of the drought of new talent pushes in WWE. Before their time, talent would come in and get a real, sustained push and rise to the top. Just before them, you had Lesnar, Cena, and Orton come in and once they got rolling, they were off. Then Carltio, Masters, Kennedy, and I'll throw in MVP come in, get big pushes and big wins, then they kept just faltering with either lazy work ethics, Wellness violations, ego problems, constant injuries, or just putting their feet in their mouths at the wrong time, I am convinced it made Vince way more gun shy on pushing new names when they needed to. So now we have guys like Kofi, and Barrett, and Bourne, Drew, and Cody who should have done so much more doing so much less because they get pushed and then forgotten over and over. Or a guy like Bray who gets rebranded over and over because every version of him starts hot and ends up flopping. I'm not saying Vince is blameless, he gets most of it frankly, but those other guys I mentioned are the ones that got Vince second guessing these kinds of pushes. Ehh work ethic aside, Lesnar getting his big push and leaving is still the ultimate reason why Vince doesn't give his all to wrestlers. Can somewhat add Rock leaving to Hollywood in that example too since it isn't that far apart On a basis of pushes tho yeah Carlito, Masters, Kennedy and by extension MVP didn't achieve the highs they should have. Kennedy especially was the one who f***ed up multiple pushes Wh, MVP didn't do too badly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 23:58:24 GMT -5
Ehh work ethic aside, Lesnar getting his big push and leaving is still the ultimate reason why Vince doesn't give his all to wrestlers. Can somewhat add Rock leaving to Hollywood in that example too since it isn't that far apart On a basis of pushes tho yeah Carlito, Masters, Kennedy and by extension MVP didn't achieve the highs they should have. Kennedy especially was the one who f***ed up multiple pushes Wh, MVP didn't do too badly. Well I did say by extension He didn't do too badly but he was supposed to be a guy more than he was tho. Got vignettes and promos for 2 months before his debut and got opening feuds against Kane and winning the US title from Chris Benoit He went from the then US title record to losing streak
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 1:53:37 GMT -5
Wh, MVP didn't do too badly. Well I did say by extension He didn't do too badly but he was supposed to be a guy more than he was tho. Got vignettes and promos for 2 months before his debut and got opening feuds against Kane and winning the US title from Chris Benoit He went from the then US title record to losing streak I was so devastated when he and Kennedy got drafted to RAW. I knew they'd be wasted.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 2:00:39 GMT -5
Well I did say by extension He didn't do too badly but he was supposed to be a guy more than he was tho. Got vignettes and promos for 2 months before his debut and got opening feuds against Kane and winning the US title from Chris Benoit He went from the then US title record to losing streak I was so devastated when he and Kennedy got drafted to RAW. I knew they'd be wasted. Well in fairness Kennedy was scheduled to do big things on RAW. He had a storyline where he wanted to go to RAW, then he won MITB and got hurt, and then Kennedy was supposed to be the mystery Mcmahon and got suspended
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 2:51:50 GMT -5
I read the title of this thread every time "The night Ric Flair gave Carlito a lettuce"
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