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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 10:30:07 GMT -5
You serious? In what way he didn’t benefit? He was literally the face of the promotion for practically a decade and it has transferred to Hollywood. He is one of the rare stars of this era that has his name known by the public I know we all got anti WWE sentiment but cmon now let’s be rational For a start, Cena was announced for the Smackdown Survivor Series team in 2016, Stephanie showed no concern over this even though it's John Cena and it didn't matter anyway because he was one of the people Braun killed near the end of the first third. Then, there was the entire storyline with the Undertaker. Say what you will about the conclusion but you can't tell me that nobody, not a single person, would want to wrestle and beat John Cena at WrestleMania? Especially after commentary hyping him up as the biggest deal? Come on, man. And after that segment and challenge to the Undertaker, Braun cuts a promo where he says he's got no plans for WrestleMania after John Cena challenged anyone to face him at WrestleMania? You had the chance, Braun! He was in there for 20 minutes! And then was the feud with Roman, done at the next PPV, built on the fact Roman can't cut a good non-scripted promo and where Cena was beaten by him not even in a "past the torch" way but in a "you're well past your prime and have nothing left, f*** off" sort of way. Also, this year alone the one big-time Cena did anything was to introduce the anniversary show...and leave. That's it. The Rock wouldn't just say a promo and leave, nor would any other legend so why the f*** do you have the dude that carried your company on his back for a decade doing that? I'm not even the dude's biggest fan but he was done dirty at times. That’s not done dirty so I highly disagree. The only person who can truly claim to being done dirty by WWE is Batista who he practically begged to get him on tv one last time |
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 10:34:31 GMT -5
For a start, Cena was announced for the Smackdown Survivor Series team in 2016, Stephanie showed no concern over this even though it's John Cena and it didn't matter anyway because he was one of the people Braun killed near the end of the first third. Then, there was the entire storyline with the Undertaker. Say what you will about the conclusion but you can't tell me that nobody, not a single person, would want to wrestle and beat John Cena at WrestleMania? Especially after commentary hyping him up as the biggest deal? Come on, man. And after that segment and challenge to the Undertaker, Braun cuts a promo where he says he's got no plans for WrestleMania after John Cena challenged anyone to face him at WrestleMania? You had the chance, Braun! He was in there for 20 minutes! And then was the feud with Roman, done at the next PPV, built on the fact Roman can't cut a good non-scripted promo and where Cena was beaten by him not even in a "past the torch" way but in a "you're well past your prime and have nothing left, f*** off" sort of way. Also, this year alone the one big-time Cena did anything was to introduce the anniversary show...and leave. That's it. The Rock wouldn't just say a promo and leave, nor would any other legend so why the f*** do you have the dude that carried your company on his back for a decade doing that? I'm not even the dude's biggest fan but he was done dirty at times. That’s not done dirty so I highly disagree. The only person who can truly claim to being done dirty by WWE is Batista who he practically begged to get him on tv one last time I'd disagree with that considering the two times he left were some of the most memorable in history and even if the WWE said no and there wasn't a HHH match...it wasn't like his legacy was tainted by that. He was still one of WWE's bigger stars of that period. You could argue he was done dirty by the Bryan stuff but it wasn't like he got nothing out of it. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 10:37:06 GMT -5
That’s not done dirty so I highly disagree. The only person who can truly claim to being done dirty by WWE is Batista who he practically begged to get him on tv one last time I'd disagree with that considering the two times he left were some of the most memorable in history and even if the WWE said no and there wasn't a HHH match...it wasn't like his legacy was tainted by that. He was still one of WWE's bigger stars of that period. Even the Bryan stuff was less "done dirty" and more "fluke in booking". So you’re arguing a guy who wasn’t on TV for a few years at point and actively campaigning to have a farewell watch was done less dirty then a guy coming back to put people over or show up every once in a while That makes no real sense. By that same logic Cena legacy isn’t tainted either |
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 10:39:36 GMT -5
I'd disagree with that considering the two times he left were some of the most memorable in history and even if the WWE said no and there wasn't a HHH match...it wasn't like his legacy was tainted by that. He was still one of WWE's bigger stars of that period. Even the Bryan stuff was less "done dirty" and more "fluke in booking". So you’re arguing a guy who wasn’t on TV for a few years at point and actively campaigning to have a farewell watch was done less dirty then a guy coming back to put people over or show up every once in a while That makes no real sense. By that same logic Cena legacy isn’t tainted either I am. Not that I'm saying he didn't earn that match but it wasn't like it was a blasphemous thing. Now Cena being squashed by the Undertaker just because the dude was too stubborn to retire when there were better choices out there? That dude was done dirty. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 10:43:53 GMT -5
So you’re arguing a guy who wasn’t on TV for a few years at point and actively campaigning to have a farewell watch was done less dirty then a guy coming back to put people over or show up every once in a while That makes no real sense. By that same logic Cena legacy isn’t tainted either I am. Not that I'm saying he didn't earn that match but it wasn't like it was a blasphemous thing. Now Cena being squashed by the Undertaker just because the dude was too stubborn to retire when there were better choices out there? That dude was done dirty. Nah I highly disagree that’s not done dirty, Cena could said no and at the end of the day it’s still a payday Cena is Jericho circa 2014-2015 where his returns are less and less special because he’s just there. He literally had a decade on top, a few years giving back is not a bad thing against him. He’s settling his own life now and In the process making WWE miss him If Cena was a selfish dick like a Hogan he’d come in between projects to put himself over. Dude has always been about the brand not just him |
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 10:49:48 GMT -5
Cena is Jericho circa 2014-2015 where his returns are less and less special because he’s just there. This I highly disagree with. He was doing the stuff of coming back every so often and leaving for big periods and it was still making a difference when he did. Especially in ratings. Then the whole last core of his run happened and that difference isn't there anymore because, to me, he became just a guy when he could have been their Undertaker except he could still go. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 10, 2020 10:55:53 GMT -5
Cena is Jericho circa 2014-2015 where his returns are less and less special because he’s just there. This I highly disagree with. He was doing the stuff of coming back every so often and leaving for big periods and it was still making a difference when he did. Especially in ratings. Then the whole last core of his run happened and that difference isn't there anymore because, to me, he became just a guy when he could have been their Undertaker except he could still go. What difference? The knock against Jericho was him coming back for one offs didn’t work because it didn’t feel special. Come back for a match against Jericho, come back for like a random 6 Man tag on PPV where people Gabe no f***s Cena can’t be an Undertaker because he’s focusing on another career. The dude has big shit ahead of him. This isn’t big bad WWE picking on little ole John Cena. His schedule does not permit to do anything else and even if it did In no way should Cena dedicate any of his free time to WWE when he spent years there and committed his life to it. As I said it’s a benefit for both and always been a benefit for both. It Cena movie career flames out he will be back but they worked with each other and made good money and now WWE is shaping their future meanwhile Cena is doing so for his. He would not be in that position without WWE and that’s an undisputed fact (Adam Cole Book at the end) |
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 10, 2020 15:55:42 GMT -5
I don’t know. Understanding what we do now about how WWE treats talent, as well as false promises of brass rings, this promo rubs me the wrong way. Carlito is being yelled at for treating WWE like any other job. This is not the most unreasonable mindset to have, by any stretch. Is it unreasonable to expect someone to show ambition and work hard at their job? Kind of falls apart when you remember the current champion and guy they keep making champion has less work ethic than a 30 year old stoner working at McDonald's. |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 10, 2020 15:58:40 GMT -5
Is it unreasonable to expect someone to show ambition and work hard at their job? Kind of falls apart when you remember the current champion and guy they keep making champion has less work ethic than a 30 year old stoner working at McDonald's. Brock Lesnar doesn’t have a good work ethic? There’s a difference between working limited dates and having no work ethic. |
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 10, 2020 16:05:19 GMT -5
Kind of falls apart when you remember the current champion and guy they keep making champion has less work ethic than a 30 year old stoner working at McDonald's. Brock Lesnar doesn’t have a good work ethic? There’s a difference between working limited dates and having no work ethic. When you shut down someones ideas for a match with "lol no I'll just do a few moves and win", yeah. No work ethic may be bad wording, but definitely wants to be rewarded for doing the least possible. Which, honestly, I kind of respect that someone can have Vince's balls in a vice like that. More people need to. But this definitely isn't a company that rewards hard work above all. |
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jan 10, 2020 18:19:55 GMT -5
I read the title of this thread every time "The night Ric Flair gave Carlito a lettuce" Glad I was not the only one. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 10, 2020 21:13:54 GMT -5
Ric Flair on Carlito:
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