Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 10, 2020 1:17:57 GMT -5
Here's something that's been buggin the hell out of me lately...
It seems that whenever someone makes a criticism, or complaint about a game removing a feature or putting that feature behind DLC or any general anti-consumer practice, someone responds by calling them "entitled". It's really starting to get on my damn nerves...
People pay upward to $60 for games. Sometimes moreso for special editions. When people pay for that kind of money, they want a complete game. They don't want have to buy features that were included in games 10 years ago. They shouldn't have to. These are billion dollar game publishers. They're not exactly hurting for money. But every time someone points this out, they just get told to stop being "entitled".
Don't want to buy DLC? Stop being entitled! Don't want to pay for microtransations? Stop being entitled! Don't want to have to buy the same game for two different console when other systems have cross buy? Stop being entitled! Why is the disc only shipped with half the game and I need an internet connection to buy the rest? Shut up and stop being entitled!
But wanting to nickle and dime your own customers even after they've bought not just the game, but the $100 special edition that was supposed to include every dlc but is locked behind another paywall? Not entitled for some reason.
Rant over.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 10, 2020 2:58:38 GMT -5
I think it applies for things like the Smash Ultimate roster, where everyone short of the corpse of John Lennon has been added and people still demand more. Overall though I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 3:06:53 GMT -5
Seems like entitled is your favourite word, man!
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 10, 2020 11:18:21 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that thanks to this attitude, it feels like consumers have no power at all anymore and why I really want nothing to do with modern gaming.
Seriously, it feels like a really sucky time to be a gamer right now.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jan 10, 2020 11:56:33 GMT -5
It still annoying that we never got that single player DLC for GTA V. It's the main reason why I've never touched online on any Rockstar game.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 10, 2020 12:19:13 GMT -5
I see both sides of things on this one. For example, people who hated Battlefront 2 at release had valid complaints, that game was bullshit. But then you have people losing their shit about the Pokemon DLC, and I’m like “Do you motherf***ers know what Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum etc were???” Complaining about a broken game is one thing, throwing a temper tantrum because a company releases a $30 DLC instead of a $60 Ultra Premium edition of the game you already bought, and was a complete game and story, is stupid.
But maybe I’m more tolerant of it because I grew up in a time DLC wasn’t a thing, they just sold you a new Street Fighter game at full price with a couple changes each year.
Although I’d say it’s something across all media now, a lot of times if someone doesn’t care for something they take it as a personal slight. “(Blank) raped my childhood!!!” because a new version of said movie/show/game came out they didn’t like. It’s f***ing ridiculous.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 10, 2020 12:21:14 GMT -5
I just wanted to add that thanks to this attitude, it feels like consumers have no power at all anymore and why I really want nothing to do with modern gaming.
Seriously, it feels like a really sucky time to be a gamer right now.
Even Spike Chunsoft charges so much with Fire Pro World, and it's caused some people who have downloaded Edits on PS4 to be unable to use them until they buy the next DLC with updated versions. The only workaround for that is going through the trouble of copying every downloaded Edit into new save slots if the uploaders are active.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2020 12:39:21 GMT -5
I see both sides of things on this one. For example, people who hated Battlefront 2 at release had valid complaints, that game was bullshit. But then you have people losing their shit about the Pokemon DLC, and I’m like “Do you motherf***ers know what Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum etc were???” Complaining about a broken game is one thing, throwing a temper tantrum because a company releases a $30 DLC instead of a $60 Ultra Premium edition of the game you already bought, and was a complete game and story, is stupid. But maybe I’m more tolerant of it because I grew up in a time DLC wasn’t a thing, they just sold you a new Street Fighter game at full price with a couple changes each year. Although I’d say it’s something across all media now, a lot of times if someone doesn’t care for something they take it as a personal slight. “(Blank) raped my childhood!!!” because a new version of said movie/show/game came out they didn’t like. It’s f***ing ridiculous. Yeah, on the one hand I'm incredibly sympathetic to the arguments concerning the predatory practices of major game publishers, and the awful effects they're having on the industry as a whole. On the other, I rolled my eyes so hard I nearly went blind when my gf showed me some of the complaining coming out of the Pokemon Direct yesterday.
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Post by eJm on Jan 10, 2020 12:45:19 GMT -5
But then you have people losing their shit about the Pokemon DLC, and I’m like “Do you motherf***ers know what Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum etc were???”. Forget Pokémon, do you imagine what would happen if a large game company said “Well, our mainline title was a massive success, now our spin off is coming out on a completely different system that explains aspects of that story and you NEED to play it to understand it. And don’t forget our mobile version which is ALSO super important on understanding the plot” like Kingdom Hearts did?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2020 17:45:09 GMT -5
But then you have people losing their shit about the Pokemon DLC, and I’m like “Do you motherf***ers know what Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum etc were???”. Forget Pokémon, do you imagine what would happen if a large game company said “Well, our mainline title was a massive success, now our spin off is coming out on a completely different system that explains aspects of that story and you NEED to play it to understand it. And don’t forget our mobile version which is ALSO super important on understanding the plot” like Kingdom Hearts did? oh and one of those mobile ports was an MMO available only in Japan that is no longer available anywhere...
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Post by The Spelunker! on Jan 10, 2020 18:49:23 GMT -5
Forget Pokémon, do you imagine what would happen if a large game company said “Well, our mainline title was a massive success, now our spin off is coming out on a completely different system that explains aspects of that story and you NEED to play it to understand it. And don’t forget our mobile version which is ALSO super important on understanding the plot” like Kingdom Hearts did? oh and one of those mobile ports was an MMO available only in Japan that is no longer available anywhere... Not to mention the KFC exclusive Mountain Dew flavor that drinking it enabled you to read the hidden code written into the previous games' credits.
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Post by Cela on Jan 10, 2020 19:21:24 GMT -5
Companies, studios, and celebrities realized that instead of catering to consumers and listening to what they have to say, they could instead call them haters and paint critics as whiny strawmen. For some reason it worked.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2020 19:30:11 GMT -5
There is some truth to it.
As stated look wherever a character I'd announced for smash there is almost always a lot if "no one wants/likes that character they want (insert whatever obscure character they personally want)"
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Post by Cyno on Jan 10, 2020 20:07:24 GMT -5
Both sides of it are true. There's a ton of entitlement among the gaming community. On the other hand, the industry and certain sycophanthic elements in games media use the "entitlement" argument as a bludgeon against any criticism of predatory business practices.
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Post by chrom on Jan 10, 2020 20:10:29 GMT -5
Look at Capcom with SFV. After you've bought all the DLC characters, stages etc, you've spent over two hundred dollars on a game that's marketed as fifty bucks.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 10, 2020 20:21:44 GMT -5
Both sides of it are true. There's a ton of entitlement among the gaming community. On the other hand, the industry and certain sycophanthic elements in games media use the "entitlement" argument as a bludgeon against any criticism of predatory business practices. Yeah.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 10, 2020 21:35:53 GMT -5
Like otherts said, I think there's elements of both. Some game companies do blatantly rip-off fans--EA with Battlefront and, I haven't really played them, but I heard their sports games like FIFA are really Pay to Win with the online modes.
Fortnite nails the microtransaction concept perfectly imo. A free game with regular updates that has a cheap season pass where you can easily earn enough loot to buy the next season pass is a good model, with bonus skins available to purchase if you want them.
I got a bit bored of Fortnite but they handled the microtransaction side of things really well.
For DLC, I think the Fallout games handle this well. Nothing that feels like it should be included in the main game, but extra content that is pretty long and usually pretty good. Fallout does it well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 21:58:37 GMT -5
The whole Pokemon DLC thing is especially dumb to be because I really barely have anything all that good to say about SwSh - I do think it's fun and it has some neat ideas (some of which may have sounded bad on paper but I've come around to; like I love TRs now because watts are goddamn everywhere and you can get the things no problem, so it works well for the intended purpose of keeping your use of them limited during the main game without really being hard to get at all in the postgame, without just making them outright postgame-exclusive) but it's also incredibly shallow, you run out of things to do extremely quickly, and it continues the trend of these games treating the player like they're absolutely morons with the constant praise throughout the entire game over understanding base gameplay mechanics, plus it's pretty abundantly clear that none of the given reasons for the Pokedex cut are at all truthful - and yet I still think the DLC is a great idea that will do nothing but improve things. You're increasing the amount of Pokemon able to be gotten by over 50%, it adds more stuff to do on the side, both of the story expansions themselves sound interesting, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying StabbySword and BlockyShield would be, plus unlike Gen 6 and 7 they're patching the game so that you can still have the new Pokemon even if you don't actually pay for them. To me that's nothing but a good thing.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jan 10, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
I feel like you can’t criticise anything without being labeled as entitled.
On the topic of Pokémon, there’s both insane sides. You have people completely losing their minds over the decisions made in Sword and Shield meanwhile there’s people who cannot handle any sort of valid criticism.
Then of course there’s parts to both of those sides who send death threats. Honestly when it gets that far I think they are both extremely entitled.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 11, 2020 7:58:00 GMT -5
It still annoying that we never got that single player DLC for GTA V. It's the main reason why I've never touched online on any Rockstar game. And we won't be getting SP DLC for Red Dead 2.
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