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Post by Cyno on Feb 29, 2020 20:17:26 GMT -5
I'm personally not worried about it as far as my own health goes. I'm in my 30's and have a strong immune system.
My biggest worry about this virus is unwittingly spreading it to more vulnerable people, especially since symptoms don't manifest in a carrier of the disease until like a week after catching it. I've been washing my hands whenever I go out.
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 1, 2020 4:06:31 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not overly concerned about it for myself but there's already swindlers out there hyping it up to get money off gullible people and it pisses me off that people I know are buying into their nonsense. I did buy some extra groceries today on the off-shot I do get sick with something, or other factors keeps me from going out (someone in Illinois tested positive with it today and my mother's already ridiculous levels of fear regarding it grew even more) and washing my hands more. Not much else I can do really.
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Post by sfvega on Mar 1, 2020 10:20:25 GMT -5
Honestly, the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that it's not treated as a serious issue by the media. It's either a punchline, or mass hysteria. I'm tired of the media manipulating people to be consumers or pawns. When serious issues are treated more serious by a comedian on an HBO show than news stations and newspapers, it's a problem. There's more fluff on this than actual frank discussion and facts.
Lots of people around here have or are getting over the flu, so hopefully that blows over by the time this stuff starts to spread. Luckily, I got the flu shot the last 2 years. That'll make it easier to identify and stop what would be a real problem for health care facilities if everyone was going to them over similar symptoms. I wonder if they even have the manpower to support treatment for as many people who would potentially have it. It is reassuring that they at least have a good method of testing for it, as differentiating between a few possibilities would be a nightmare. I feel bad for healthcare workers though, as they almost have to be resigned to getting exposed directly to it repeatedly.
I had a friend who went to Japan last week and came back saying that they didn't have really any extra measures getting back into the country. That kinda scares me. I understand that the world must go on, but at the same time if this is a serious issue would you not want to compartmentalize largely populated, at-risk areas? It's crazy to me that you can get on a plane to Tokyo or Seoul or any population hub in the East and come back to your local population hub. That seems like a terrible idea. I understand that it can spread without this, but why help the virus?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 1, 2020 11:47:11 GMT -5
Here's the thing: All of those outbreaks occurred while there were competent people in charge of dealing with such things (well, that and Ebola is actually kind of hard to actually get infected by since contagious individuals are way too sick to actually get around to where they can infect anyone else). The handling of the infected patients repatriated from Japan to the US is evident that we don't have that this time around.
- They were brought in on a commercial flight filled with uninfected individuals, exposing a large number of people to possible infection. Yes, some precautions were taken but since they were all breathing the same recycled air, there was a serious risk to the non-infected passengers. That is unforgivable, especially since the experts explicitly said to fly them home separately. - They were then processed by people without adequate training or protective equipment. What makes this infinitely worse is that they were working alongside CDC employees who were properly trained and protected, which should have given everyone involved a serious reason to pause. After all, if you find yourself working alongside by a group of professional epidemiologists who fully gown up, wouldn't you think to yourself, "Maybe I should be doing that as well?" - Those now-exposed people were then not quarantined or properly tested for evidence of infection. - These now-exposed people were released to the general public, including one who went home to what is now the epicenter of a multiple NOVID-19 cases of "unknown" origin.
I'm sorry. I know this borders on violating the "no politics" rule, but there are some things politics have no place in. Some things are too important to not have experts running the show, and public health management of viral outbreaks is just one of those things.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 1, 2020 12:54:25 GMT -5
It'll go much like the same way SARS, MERS, Bird Flu, and Ebola before it. Those viruses went the way of killing thousands of people.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 1, 2020 14:32:12 GMT -5
Honestly, the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that it's not treated as a serious issue by the media. Not sure if you live in the United States, but coronavirus, the election, and the relationship between the two is pretty much all that’s been discussed the last several days. Can accuse them of a lot of things but not taking it seriously isn’t one of them.
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Post by hassanchop on Mar 1, 2020 15:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 1, 2020 17:38:01 GMT -5
Honestly, the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that it's not treated as a serious issue by the media. Not sure if you live in the United States, but coronavirus, the election, and the relationship between the two is pretty much all that’s been discussed the last several days. Can accuse them of a lot of things but not taking it seriously isn’t one of them. Maybe, but the focus isn't where it really needs to be. I don't give a shit about the election, at least as far as the outbreak goes. Focus on what needs to be done to contain this outbreak. Worry about politics some other day. I don't know if this have been explained to anyone, but allow me to explain a feature of viral infections and why the newest disease is the one that gets the most attention. That is because new infections ARE the ones that deserves the attention. You need to think of viral infections in terms of evolution. To be clear; any virus that kills its host has a serious evolutionary disadvantage, especially if it kills the host quickly. The most successful viruses attenuate to their host to the point that they don't particularly harm the host in any appreciable way. In fact, I guarantee every single one of us are currently infected by viruses who have become so attenuated that they do not actually make you sick. The problem that occurs is when a virus hops into humans from a different species. The virus will have been attenuated to its previous host species and isn't accustomed to the new species. As a result, they are much more prone to doing great harm to their new host species. Eventually, the virus either will evolve to be less harmful or evolution will drive the strain capable of infecting humans into extinction. A great example of this is Ebola. The first strain of Ebola capable of infecting humans, known as the Zaire strain, was easily the most fatal strain. Sure later strains still killed people but they are generally far less lethal. Better treatments can only account for part of the improvements as viral hemorrhagic fevers were not new to our experience (the related virus Marburg virus had an outbreak years before). The virus attenuating to humans plays a larger role.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 1, 2020 18:08:35 GMT -5
Here's the thing: All of those outbreaks occurred while there were competent people in charge of dealing with such things (well, that and Ebola is actually kind of hard to actually get infected in. Some things are too important to not have experts running the show, and public health management of viral outbreaks is just one of those things. The one thing that really keeps Ebola from spreading in developed nations is that it's a disease that spreads through extremely poor conditions (considering it transfers through human fluids and open wounds as opposed to airborne transmission). Unfortunately, that's why outbreaks are so hard to contain in developing nations, especially in nations that are warm and humid. And addressing the post you quoted, the most recent outbreak of Ebola also killed over 11,000 people but sure it was overblown.
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Post by sfvega on Mar 1, 2020 18:13:00 GMT -5
Honestly, the thing that pisses me off the most about this is that it's not treated as a serious issue by the media. Not sure if you live in the United States, but coronavirus, the election, and the relationship between the two is pretty much all that’s been discussed the last several days. Can accuse them of a lot of things but not taking it seriously isn’t one of them. Yes, I do. I'm not accusing them of not covering it, that's a different point entirely.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 1, 2020 19:37:57 GMT -5
Here's the thing: All of those outbreaks occurred while there were competent people in charge of dealing with such things (well, that and Ebola is actually kind of hard to actually get infected in. Some things are too important to not have experts running the show, and public health management of viral outbreaks is just one of those things. The one thing that really keeps Ebola from spreading in developed nations is that it's a disease that spreads through extremely poor conditions (considering it transfers through human fluids and open wounds as opposed to airborne transmission). Unfortunately, that's why outbreaks are so hard to contain in developing nations, especially in nations that are warm and humid. And addressing the post you quoted, the most recent outbreak of Ebola also killed over 11,000 people but sure it was overblown.
Don't take my posts to imply that I don't take it seriously. I truly do. My point was that the outbreak of 2016 still had a lower death rate, though not nearly low enough. In a way, the lower fatality rate can actually improve the odds of an outbreak as infectious individuals become immobile later than the Zaire strain. It's their immobility that limits how many individuals they can expose. The Congo strain a couple decades ago (maybe 2003?) was the one with a higher fatality rate than the 1976 Zaire outbreak, which suggests to me that might have been a novel infection into humans. It would not be the first time a disease transferred into humans multiple times.
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Post by wankah on Mar 1, 2020 19:47:45 GMT -5
I'd just like to say that this one's been pretty much been handled in the ''you got it close, now panic!'' -way in Europe what comes to media.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 1, 2020 19:47:59 GMT -5
The one thing that really keeps Ebola from spreading in developed nations is that it's a disease that spreads through extremely poor conditions (considering it transfers through human fluids and open wounds as opposed to airborne transmission). Unfortunately, that's why outbreaks are so hard to contain in developing nations, especially in nations that are warm and humid. And addressing the post you quoted, the most recent outbreak of Ebola also killed over 11,000 people but sure it was overblown.
Don't take my posts to imply that I don't take it seriously. I truly do. My point was that the outbreak of 2016 still had a lower death rate, though not nearly low enough. In a way, the lower fatality rate can actually improve the odds of an outbreak as infectious individuals become immobile later than the Zaire strain. It's their immobility that limits how many individuals they can expose. The Congo strain a couple decades ago (maybe 2003?) was the one with a higher fatality rate than the 1976 Zaire outbreak, which suggests to me that might have been a novel infection into humans. It would not be the first time a disease transferred into humans multiple times. Oh no, not at all. You definitely come off as taking it seriously. My apologies if I implied otherwise.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 1, 2020 20:40:44 GMT -5
The f***ing shitehawks are out in force. A week ago a 50ml bottle of Hand Sanitiser was about £1. Now they’re going for £15.
I’ve never had too much of an issue with people capitalising on demand and putting the price up a bit. But a 15 times increase on the price when it’s to do with a health product? Get in the f***ing sea!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2020 22:03:38 GMT -5
New York got its first coronavirus case
Not really changing shit for me since i'm in my office but def going be using the hand sanitizer more in the office if anything
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 1, 2020 22:32:29 GMT -5
New York got its first coronavirus case Not really changing shit for me since i'm in my office but def going be using the hand sanitizer more in the office if anything Great
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2020 22:35:58 GMT -5
New York got its first coronavirus case Not really changing shit for me since i'm in my office but def going be using the hand sanitizer more in the office if anything Great New Yorkers are going to play no games with this The only crazy thing I worry about is a tourist coughing or some shit like that (as you know how crowded it is here) and they start going off on them
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 1, 2020 22:55:12 GMT -5
The f***ing shitehawks are out in force. A week ago a 50ml bottle of Hand Sanitiser was about £1. Now they’re going for £15. I’ve never had too much of an issue with people capitalising on demand and putting the price up a bit. But a 15 times increase on the price when it’s to do with a health product? Get in the f***ing sea!I'm going to need to remember that expression. I work as a pharmacy technician in Alabama, and between the Pharmacy closing on Friday night and re-opening on Saturday morning, someone bought ALL the hand sanitizer. It's been getting really bad because there's stuff that we need to do our jobs in the pharmacy like alcohol and Nitrile gloves, it was getting to the point of discussing stocking a few things for us to use to do our jobs. The illness face masks are completely out at the warehouse and all the hardware ones are sold out, too. Which is affecting a local DIY Pest Control business who can't get the masks to give to people while spraying for bugs and spiders, and the like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 23:39:42 GMT -5
The f***ing shitehawks are out in force. A week ago a 50ml bottle of Hand Sanitiser was about £1. Now they’re going for £15. I’ve never had too much of an issue with people capitalising on demand and putting the price up a bit. But a 15 times increase on the price when it’s to do with a health product? Get in the f***ing sea! That's bull, but I'm not surprised. People are going to take advantage of this situation and capitalize on a time of crisis and paranoia.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 2, 2020 1:47:00 GMT -5
The f***ing shitehawks are out in force. A week ago a 50ml bottle of Hand Sanitiser was about £1. Now they’re going for £15. I’ve never had too much of an issue with people capitalising on demand and putting the price up a bit. But a 15 times increase on the price when it’s to do with a health product? Get in the f***ing sea!I'm going to need to remember that expression. I work as a pharmacy technician in Alabama, and between the Pharmacy closing on Friday night and re-opening on Saturday morning, someone bought ALL the hand sanitizer. It's been getting really bad because there's stuff that we need to do our jobs in the pharmacy like alcohol and Nitrile gloves, it was getting to the point of discussing stocking a few things for us to use to do our jobs. The illness face masks are completely out at the warehouse and all the hardware ones are sold out, too. Which is affecting a local DIY Pest Control business who can't get the masks to give to people while spraying for bugs and spiders, and the like.People really need to listen to the CDC on that. They don't want people who aren't sick to buy them. They should be saved for people who are sick, or people working in fields that absolutely need them, like those working in hospitals.
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