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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 13, 2020 21:42:57 GMT -5
It’s WWE a burial is only a burial until they start getting pushed again or miraculously are atop the card What do you think are EC3's chances once he comes back from concussion? Even fools make a fool out of him. ![](https://i.imgur.com/WS0ALqK.png) Probably not good, but I'll see your EC3 and raise you a Jinder Mahal.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 14, 2020 2:46:49 GMT -5
I also think there's just the "I'm a fan" side of it; if Ricochet is comfortable where he's at and feels fulfilled, then more power to him, but people who are fans of him want to see him succeed, not be placed in "this guy doesn't matter" spots. To those who'd like to see him in more prominent positions, such a tweet probably just feels more disheartening than anything else, because I'm sure any sane person is happy for him if he's happy with his current situation, but not happy as a fan who wants to watch a super-talented favorite rise up the ranks. Not that I think this is necessarily bad, but isn't that being a mark? I mean that in the classic sense: losing sense of what's a show and what's not? Dude's getting a paycheck and a workload he's happy with. His "card placement" doesn't directly affect those, especially in the current state of the industry. That's all fake. I mean, I can absolutely understand the argument that the show would be BETTER if he and others like him were booked well. And oh man there is plenty of problems I wish wrestlers organized to express their dissatisfaction about. But I still don't get this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 2:57:19 GMT -5
Not that I think this is necessarily bad, but isn't that being a mark? I mean that in the classic sense: losing sense of what's a show and what's not?. Noooot really, no. If you're going, "Oh, damn it, I hate Riddick Moss because he beat my guy, booooo!" then sure, but the general consensus is still pretty much just laughing at the absurdity that they're pushing a guy as bland as Riddick Moss, while there is very good reason to be disappointed with what they're doing with Ricochet because we've seen this song and dance plenty of times before and know how someone being booked this way ends up. Sure, if WWE had a tendency of keeping guys its soured on still prominent and getting plenty of chance to show their skills that'd be one thing, but when's the last time Cedric Alexander was on Raw and not just crushed immediately? Whether WWE cares about making you look good directly dictates whether you'll ever actually get to do anything. Everyone's rushing to call what's happening to Ricochet burying him because we've seen tons of other guys go through this exact same song and dance and know how to recognize the pattern.
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Post by Woo on Mar 14, 2020 4:12:11 GMT -5
People said this about Eddie for years. A ton of guys have it in them, they just need angle to sink their teeth into. The current creative structure severely limits that. Yeah, I thought Tyson Kidd was a super charismaless void... then he went to NXT and was given a chance to actually do something and realized how good he actually was. and I mean you don't have to go far back to see Ricochet's charisma... ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/322VVoXmtBEIcf4vwU/giphy.gif) I mean let Ricochet do things like this on the main roster and show off his swagger. That was f***ing badass.
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Post by Woo on Mar 14, 2020 4:25:14 GMT -5
The dilemma with Ricochet is that the wacky spots and moves is about all he has going for him. He doesn't have much charisma or mic skill, so when WWE makes him "learn how to work" and takes away all his cool stuff and makes him sell there really isn't much to care about. He has proven he has exceptional charisma in his career. There is a reason he was the main character in the best wrestling TV show ever.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 14, 2020 8:13:31 GMT -5
The dilemma with Ricochet is that the wacky spots and moves is about all he has going for him. He doesn't have much charisma or mic skill, so when WWE makes him "learn how to work" and takes away all his cool stuff and makes him sell there really isn't much to care about. He has proven he has exceptional charisma in his career. There is a reason he was the main character in the best wrestling TV show ever. This needs to be said. Yeah, sometimes it's the performer, but if the creative is for you to talk about how you're a superhero or a friggin' pirate... maybe you got a legitmate complaint about the creative.
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Post by ronin705 on Mar 14, 2020 11:31:45 GMT -5
Reading this thread makes me question how many of you are aware of not only hid Lucha Underground run, but his time is Japan and chikara as well. Charisma isn't the issue (outside of cutting promos), it's clearly booking that's killing him right now. I wished HE would've won the King of a the Ring to debut his more Rock-like "King" persona. ![](https://images.app.goo.gl/AsNiCxVPkRbwpVDr5)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:14:21 GMT -5
Reading this thread makes me question how many of you are aware of not only hid Lucha Underground run, but his time is Japan and chikara as well. Charisma isn't the issue (outside of cutting promos), it's clearly booking that's killing him right now. I wished HE would've won the King of a the Ring to debut his more Rock-like "King" persona. ![](https://images.app.goo.gl/AsNiCxVPkRbwpVDr5) I don't think he lacks anything in any department. As of right now, he's far from character to be taken seriously and there is nothing interesting in him except the involuntary buffoon role! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Might as well enjoy making fun of him as clearly nobody is doing anything to save him from drowning. I have no idea when his next deal is up, but I hope during that while either he or WWE smartens up. As watcher, if wrestler is booked like crap, I can't be interested in 'em as what is there actually to enjoy in this scenario? Nothing. - Yeah, I thought he was 100% sure winner then, but we got that crazy short rise of Shorty G and Baron Corbin instead, which I greatly enjoyed! \o/
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 14, 2020 14:33:08 GMT -5
Not that I think this is necessarily bad, but isn't that being a mark? I mean that in the classic sense: losing sense of what's a show and what's not?. Noooot really, no. If you're going, "Oh, damn it, I hate Riddick Moss because he beat my guy, booooo!" then sure, but the general consensus is still pretty much just laughing at the absurdity that they're pushing a guy as bland as Riddick Moss, while there is very good reason to be disappointed with what they're doing with Ricochet because we've seen this song and dance plenty of times before and know how someone being booked this way ends up. Sure, if WWE had a tendency of keeping guys its soured on still prominent and getting plenty of chance to show their skills that'd be one thing, but when's the last time Cedric Alexander was on Raw and not just crushed immediately? Whether WWE cares about making you look good directly dictates whether you'll ever actually get to do anything. Everyone's rushing to call what's happening to Ricochet burying him because we've seen tons of other guys go through this exact same song and dance and know how to recognize the pattern. It's not like I think anyone believes the wins and losses are real, but "card placement" is just as kayfabe as getting pinned in a match, right? Dude's a cast member of a TV show getting a regular paycheck and also getting to perform. Again, if you think the SHOW would be better with him winning matches and involved in storylines, I'm right there with you. And the basic idea that the WWE just treats all its performers as expendable is of course a huge huge problem. But I still don't get what's wrong with being cool that this individual dude is saying he's fine where he is?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 4, 2020 22:37:34 GMT -5
Oh you best believe it's time to bump this...
So in the time since Riddick Moss basically ended this dudes relevancy. He starts a tag team with Cedric Alexander that only proceeds to beat NXT Tag Team Jobbers, lose to Viking Raiders, and oh wait, LOSE to NXT Tag Team Jobbers too! Ricochet got pinned clean by Brandan Vink tonight, clean as a sheet.
So that's Riddick Moss and Brendan Vink within three months. This dude was fighting for a world title also three months ago. Now it feels like his career is going nowhere, same with Cedric. Doesn't help they're only a tag team because Heyman is desperate to give them something as i seems like WWE creative has completely given up on them.
It's sad but this really hasn't gotten better for Ricochet at all especially. His trunks are even awful at this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:44:45 GMT -5
Oh you best believe it's time to bump this... So in the time since Riddick Moss basically ended this dudes relevancy. He starts a tag team with Cedric Alexander that only proceeds to beat NXT Tag Team Jobbers, lose to Viking Raiders, and oh wait, LOSE to NXT Tag Team Jobbers too! Ricochet got pinned clean by Brandan Vink tonight, clean as a sheet. So that's Riddick Moss and Brendan Vink within three months. This dude was fighting for a world title also three months ago. Now it feels like his career is going nowhere, same with Cedric. Doesn't help they're only a tag team because Heyman is desperate to give them something as i seems like WWE creative has completely given up on them. It's sad but this really hasn't gotten better for Ricochet at all especially. His trunks are even awful at this point. It's time to get on the TM-62 train.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 4, 2020 22:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah it wasn't even the TM-61 guys they lost to but instead Shane Thorne and this Brendan Vink dude no one has ever heard of. It's amusing that Meltzer has decried WWE for not pushing Ricochet right when Ricochet is almost the exact type of wrestler Vince would never push.
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Post by Shark on May 4, 2020 22:52:46 GMT -5
Oh you best believe it's time to bump this... So in the time since Riddick Moss basically ended this dudes relevancy. He starts a tag team with Cedric Alexander that only proceeds to beat NXT Tag Team Jobbers, lose to Viking Raiders, and oh wait, LOSE to NXT Tag Team Jobbers too! Ricochet got pinned clean by Brandan Vink tonight, clean as a sheet. So that's Riddick Moss and Brendan Vink within three months. This dude was fighting for a world title also three months ago. Now it feels like his career is going nowhere, same with Cedric. Doesn't help they're only a tag team because Heyman is desperate to give them something as i seems like WWE creative has completely given up on them. It's sad but this really hasn't gotten better for Ricochet at all especially. His trunks are even awful at this point. Yeah, this is one of those points I just flatly disagree with. If Ricochet and Cedric win tonight "So what they beat jobbers!!!" if they lose "They're getting buried!!!" It's of course impossible that MAYBE Thorne and Vink are gonna feud with Ricochet and Cedric so there's a little back and forth, or that MVP talking them up last week actually MEANT something and guess what? They won.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 4, 2020 22:55:00 GMT -5
This is probably the loss that really Binks his WWE career. It will forever be a Thorne in the side of his legacy.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:55:45 GMT -5
I'm assuming that the reason they did this is because of how Alvarez was pointing out how stupid it is that they keep advertising NXT by way of talking up how jobbers come from there before they get annihilated. Cedric and Ricochet are complete and utter jokes anyway so no harm in sacrificing them.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 4, 2020 23:01:54 GMT -5
Slightly off topic since the thread is about the trials and tribulations of Rick O'Shea but is it me or does Brendan Vink look like he could be Wade Barrett's brother? Same size, similar look. In that backstage segment he even sounded more British then Australian.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 4, 2020 23:03:59 GMT -5
Slightly off topic since the thread is about the trials and tribulations of Rick O'Shea but is it me or does Brendan Vink look like he could be Wade Barrett's brother? Same size, similar look. In that backstage segment he even sounded more British then Australian. He kind of looks like baby early NXT Daniel Bryan to me.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 4, 2020 23:32:21 GMT -5
This is probably the loss that really Binks his WWE career. It will forever be a Thorne in the side of his legacy. It’s Vink. With a V-V-V.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2020 1:22:12 GMT -5
Oh you best believe it's time to bump this... So in the time since Riddick Moss basically ended this dudes relevancy. He starts a tag team with Cedric Alexander that only proceeds to beat NXT Tag Team Jobbers, lose to Viking Raiders, and oh wait, LOSE to NXT Tag Team Jobbers too! Ricochet got pinned clean by Brandan Vink tonight, clean as a sheet. So that's Riddick Moss and Brendan Vink within three months. This dude was fighting for a world title also three months ago. Now it feels like his career is going nowhere, same with Cedric. Doesn't help they're only a tag team because Heyman is desperate to give them something as i seems like WWE creative has completely given up on them. It's sad but this really hasn't gotten better for Ricochet at all especially. His trunks are even awful at this point. Yeah, this is one of those points I just flatly disagree with. If Ricochet and Cedric win tonight "So what they beat jobbers!!!" if they lose "They're getting buried!!!" It's of course impossible that MAYBE Thorne and Vink are gonna feud with Ricochet and Cedric so there's a little back and forth, or that MVP talking them up last week actually MEANT something and guess what? They won. The issue with that is, Cedric and Ricochet feuding with Vink and Thorne feels like a gigantic waste of time. Thorne and Vink also don't really have anything to grasp onto, and MVP didn't even join them for their match which also struck me as odd. If you book this right, MVP costs Ricochet and Cedric, that's a no brainer and we aren't having this conversation, fact of the matter is Ricochet has gone from a main eventer/upper carder to absolutely spinning his wheels here. A feud with Thorn and Brandan Vink three months after a world title shot is pretty dire if you ask me. You could have booked these out of nowhere heels better and gave legit merit more to a feud instead of it just being regular 50/50 booking imo. Or continue to build Ricochet and Cedric as a threat of a tag team since week by week they'd been shown to improve. To me this feels like a trip and fall on the face, until proven otherwise.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on May 5, 2020 1:26:03 GMT -5
Yeah it wasn't even the TM-61 guys they lost to but instead Shane Thorne and this Brendan Vink dude no one has ever heard of. It's amusing that Meltzer has decried WWE for not pushing Ricochet right when Ricochet is almost the exact type of wrestler Vince would never push. Ricochet is exactly who Vince has wanted to push for decades (short, jacked high flyer who can tossed dudes and is goofy enough looking to not be threatening) which is why this makes no sense
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