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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 26, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -5
Hasn't NXT had a Tony Khan parody guy for a while now? What? No...
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 26, 2020 9:37:42 GMT -5
It's somethnig that was always going to catch flak from the same people who always give them flak for this sort of thing, but Vince is the most fascinating figure in modern pro wrestling for better and for worse, and there's a ton of details to him that seem weird, incongruous, and certainly almost villainous in the right light. Mining some minor touches and comedy out of that and not just getting all RAH RAH VINCE SUCKS HI VINNIE LET'S TALK ABOUT UP NORTH doesn't seem like a problem. Dark Order is neat, a couple minor insider mentions won't make this TNA 2.0 and I feel like anyone saying it will either didn't see or forgot how desperate and dire TNA's digs really were. Yeah, I saw some people comparing it to Voodoo Kin Mafia, when its not even close, Road Dog and Billy Gunn straight up called out HBK and HHH and also they were the babyfaces!!! There’s a big difference between Dogg and Gunn outright calling HBK and H by their real names and the Brodie Lee segment last night referencing a couple of Vince things that only hardcore fans would know.
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Post by thewaykokid on Mar 26, 2020 10:53:18 GMT -5
I have complete faith in AEW Handling this the right way. It's not to in your face. You have to be a big enough fan to get it. I have a friend you has watched wrestling as long as I have and he thought of it more as a corona thing than a Vince thing. The people who get it love it the people who don't it is still completely believable as a cult leader personality . I just hope we get a new version of Stand Back now. Also it's great how the first tv personality guy for WWE i mean Dark Order is now looking like there Micheal Cole just a schill for the exalted one. I love absolutely everything about this. Looking forward to almost every feud now. Vince vs Mr. Japan to good for Dark Order Omega. Vince vs his old friend who turned on him Y2J. Hell him teaming up with MJF could be gold. So many possibilities to this and like I said I have complete faith for this to be done right.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 26, 2020 10:54:18 GMT -5
The thing with insider references and cutesy bits like this is that they work when they aren't at the expense of the majority of the audience. If you look at like, Russo era WCW and "GOLDBERG DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SCRIPT" or the Voodoo Kin Mafia where guys were in character calling out other dudes with their real names and acting like they were feuding not in a wrestling program but in real lie, yeah of course those are dumb. But that's now what's going on here, where the story works just fine whether you understand the reference and get a snicker out of it, or have no idea what's happening and are just watching a show. It's a different world. Anyone trying to compare this to Voodoo Kin Mafia is missing what actually made Voodoo Kin Mafia bad (beyond that it was wildly unfunny).
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 26, 2020 11:29:15 GMT -5
Hasn't NXT had a Tony Khan parody guy for a while now? What? No... To be fair, he was using that gimmick prior to AEW being a thing.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 26, 2020 11:46:04 GMT -5
What? No... To be fair, he was using that gimmick prior to AEW being a thing. About the only similarity between the two is that they kinda look alike.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 26, 2020 11:56:00 GMT -5
Brodie should come out to interrupt someone's promo, and they should respond "aw, son of a bitch"
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Mar 26, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -5
Brodie should come out to interrupt someone's promo, and they should respond "aw, son of a bitch" JR is right there
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 26, 2020 12:27:59 GMT -5
Honestly, given all we know, if you were to going to create a rich guy or cult leader in a wresting context, Vince would be a go-to for both. One thing Vince is notorious for at this point, is his amazing ability to tell talent exactly what they want to hear, to get them to go along with bad ideas or to abandon any thougts they had of quitting. A near endless parade of talent, from Carlito, to Bret and Moxley, have said that if you speak to Vince, he can convince you that up is down and you're in line for a big push if you go along with his ideas and will leave happy, until you realise nothing has changed.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 26, 2020 13:05:55 GMT -5
They really need to bring in Raven with the Dark Order just to have Brodie ask “who hired Raven”?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2020 13:09:02 GMT -5
Hasn't NXT had a Tony Khan parody guy for a while now? What? No... Robbie E has been using that gimmick since before AEW was a thing
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 26, 2020 13:10:18 GMT -5
Hasn't NXT had a Tony Khan parody guy for a while now? What? No... Jameson???
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2020 13:12:34 GMT -5
In regards to topic at hand, it is fine for what it is right now. If you want to go full Vince that works better with BTE
In the interim, it plays to the base who will get a kick out of it. No this isn't close to VKM but it is a fine line they will walk on this if they continue to do it. If it gets too much into Vince-isms and the people don't like it, they will change it up
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Post by Dub H on Mar 26, 2020 13:42:30 GMT -5
It helps his personality isnt vince.He is still serious,threatning, a cult leader.He isnt going around struting and doing Vince wacky personality.
Everything he did worked for an evil leader.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 26, 2020 13:43:21 GMT -5
You’ll really know he’s supppsed to be Vince, if AEW starts being terrible. Well, he's in the Dark Order, which has been pretty terrible throughout. Dark Order has been one of the most praised acts for months.
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Post by slaughterama on Mar 26, 2020 14:21:52 GMT -5
Well, he's in the Dark Order, which has been pretty terrible throughout. Dark Order has been one of the most praised acts for months. Let's be real though... is there ANYTHING that isn't being praised in AEW? The beatdown segment is still the worst moment Dynamite has ever had (it's the only thing they've really ever done that killed their live crowd), and they've really done nothing but string the group along since then to get to the Exalted One reveal. A reveal that, so far, is a character that takes shots at Vince.
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Post by markymark on Mar 26, 2020 14:25:26 GMT -5
The Nightmare Collective? That was wrestlecrap material.
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Post by eJm on Mar 26, 2020 14:28:39 GMT -5
Dark Order has been one of the most praised acts for months. Let's be real though... is there ANYTHING that isn't being praised in AEW? The women’s division for one. And to their credit, before the isolations, they were getting somewhere with it. Not a great place but better than “Divas’ Revolution”.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 26, 2020 14:32:32 GMT -5
Dark Order has been one of the most praised acts for months. Let's be real though... is there ANYTHING that isn't being praised in AEW? The beatdown segment is still the worst moment Dynamite has ever had (it's the only thing they've really ever done that killed their live crowd), and they've really done nothing but string the group along since then to get to the Exalted One reveal. A reveal that, so far, is a character that takes shots at Vince. Women’s division Kenny’s booking Cody’s booking Nightmare collective The dark order Jr on commentary Brandi Cody’s entrance Cody’s tat Format of the show the first few months Darby’s booking Roster mainly being small Moxley vs omega SCU Nyla Rose Britt Baker I’ll add more as I think of them.
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Post by XIII on Mar 26, 2020 14:32:58 GMT -5
Evil Uno will turn on the Dark Order after Brodie recruits a bodybuilder and immediately makes him the focus of the group and fawns over him comfirmed.
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