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Post by chrom on Jun 2, 2022 6:36:43 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes. You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so. I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending? It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole. The Film called Men Don't Tell explains a lot of why nobody ever believes a man could be the abused one in a relationship
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jun 2, 2022 6:44:59 GMT -5
I watched a fair amount of this trial and it was very entertaining to see Amber's attorneys get torn to shreds by pretty much everybody, and their witnesses look like maniacs on cross examination.
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Post by thechase on Jun 2, 2022 6:55:20 GMT -5
I watched a fair amount of this trial and it was very entertaining to see Amber's attorneys get torn to shreds by pretty much everybody, and their witnesses look like animaniacs on cross examination. Fixed!
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2022 9:28:06 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes. You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so. I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending? It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole. It feeds into the idea that some people who are not guilty need to be hurt anyway in the name of Equity. And that doesn't heal anything. It sickened me one of her lawyers used the argument "even if you dont believe her, you have to give the victory to her for the sake of victims everywhere" in their closing arguments. Amber and her team literally tried to use it as a shield to get away with abuse. If media really cared(both "sides") they should be showing that yes you can take a stand and prove your abuser is a piece of shit and get justice for yourself.I have seen awful toxic takes but Pro and Against the result. But media and narrative pushing is a whole gigantic issue in itself. I will just say toward people being pushed the "pro-depp" videos. You got the order wrong, the trial started fairly low profile but as people saw what Amber had done it got more and more steam. The reason you saw a lot of pro-Depp videos is because there started to form a lot of Pro-Depp people more the trial went on. There was a big BIG jump in viewers as it went.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 2, 2022 10:34:33 GMT -5
One thing about it, in my opinion Heard didn't affect the quality of how work. Dude hasn't started in a good movie in over a decade
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2022 10:39:12 GMT -5
No. Last night, Amber wrote a opinion piece for the Washington Post calling the judge and the jurors "stupid heads", so now all of them are also suing her for for defamation and seeking $100M each in damages.
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Post by dav on Jun 2, 2022 10:40:18 GMT -5
One thing about it, in my opinion Heard didn't affect the quality of how work. Dude hasn't started in a good movie in over a decade Murder On The Orient Express was pretty good. Granted, he was only featured for about ten minutes before getting murdered, but I enjoyed it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2022 10:43:23 GMT -5
One thing about it, in my opinion Heard didn't affect the quality of how work. Dude hasn't started in a good movie in over a decade Not a great movie but I would argue that he was awesome as Grindelwald. His speech warning the magical world about the coming World War II and nuclear age was sublime.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 2, 2022 10:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 11:18:52 GMT -5
I don't blame Depp or Heard for this being weaponized by either side of the aisle, I blame those who are weaponizing it.
I don't know either of the people involved in this case, and at the risk of taking the gross "enlightened centrist" approach, "Women can be abusers and men can be abused" and "This is likely to have a chilling effect on victims of domestic violence speaking out" are both true statements.
I don't know what the answer was supposed to have been, other than using your noggin to draw your own conclusions on each case instead of letting one high profile one skew your worldview forevermore.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jun 2, 2022 11:33:45 GMT -5
I think they're both awful people. I think Depp did a great of playing the crowd and his PR team did a great of portraying Amber Heard as a horrible person. The fact that so many men are now jumping up and down with excitement is concerning.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jun 2, 2022 12:01:04 GMT -5
Really the biggest reason why I was against Amber Heard is that the way she acted and the way she acted towards Johnny Depp was very similar to an ex I was with for two years. Nothing physical, but she was the master of manipulation, emotional abuse and gaslighting. So a lot of the trial was very triggering to be honest.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 2, 2022 12:51:17 GMT -5
Still rereading through this thread. I absolutely think Amber Heard was the clear abuser in this relationship and she tried to use #MeToo to cash in and hurt Johnny Depp's career & Life.
I also believe that this trial will do damage to abuse survivors.
My thing is should Johnny not defend himself from defamation and try and prove his innocence? Even if it destroys the #MeToo movement? Even if it makes it harder for survivors to come forward? Because that to me is an insane thing to ask for somebody to do and I doubt many people wouldn't scream from the high heavens or try to defend their reputation if they were in the same spot.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jun 2, 2022 13:02:01 GMT -5
My thing is should Johnny not defend himself from defamation and try and prove his innocence? Even if it destroys the #MeToo movement? Even if it makes it harder for survivors to come forward? Because that to me is an insane thing to ask for somebody to do and I doubt many people wouldn't scream from the high heavens or try to defend their reputation if they were in the same spot. This sums up my feelings perfectly. Yes, this will hurt future survivors of abuse down the line, and that's truely unfortunate. But that doesn't mean the man should have to lay down on a metaphorical cross, and allow his career and reputation to be utterly trashed while his the woman who lied and gaslit him goes off into the sunset consequence free. For most people, that's way too much to ask.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 13:17:14 GMT -5
There was always going to be the contingent that if Johnny won they were gonna scream at the clouds because he is a man.
No matter the absoloute ammount of irrefutable evidence in front of them.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 2, 2022 14:03:38 GMT -5
I think they're both awful people. I think Depp did a great of playing the crowd and his PR team did a great of portraying Amber Heard as a horrible person. The fact that so many men are now jumping up and down with excitement is concerning. Honest question did you watch the full trial? because I cannot think of looking at that trial and brushing it off as just pr for the reason people stood for him.Thought I'm sure being very charismatic didn't hurt I also have seem many victim of abuses glad that amber was called out because she exploitedt a real life situation. and no not just men that were victim of abuse.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jun 2, 2022 14:34:54 GMT -5
I think they're both awful people. I think Depp did a great of playing the crowd and his PR team did a great of portraying Amber Heard as a horrible person. The fact that so many men are now jumping up and down with excitement is concerning. Who are all these men, and how do you know that is their reaction?
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jun 2, 2022 14:46:49 GMT -5
I think they're both awful people. I think Depp did a great of playing the crowd and his PR team did a great of portraying Amber Heard as a horrible person. The fact that so many men are now jumping up and down with excitement is concerning. Who are all these men, and how do you know that is their reaction? Have you checked social media at all? See the poster above me. I said something negative about Depp and that poster is all how dare I.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jun 2, 2022 14:48:21 GMT -5
I think they're both awful people. I think Depp did a great of playing the crowd and his PR team did a great of portraying Amber Heard as a horrible person. The fact that so many men are now jumping up and down with excitement is concerning. Honest question did you watch the full trial? because I cannot think of looking at that trial and brushing it off as just pr for the reason people stood for him.Thought I'm sure being very charismatic didn't hurt I also have seem many victim of abuses glad that amber was called out because she exploitedt a real life situation. and no not just men that were victim of abuse. I've seen enough and experienced enough to know that not everyone should be accepted for their face value. Especially an actor who is playing up for the audience. Like I said, I think they're both awful people that were in a toxic relationship.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jun 2, 2022 14:51:47 GMT -5
Who are all these men, and how do you know that is their reaction? Have you checked social media at all? See the poster above me. I said something negative about Depp and that poster is all how dare I. I don't have any social media, so no. And that poster gave you their point of view and asked you a legitimate question, and did not at all come across as "how dare you".
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