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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 1, 2022 22:01:16 GMT -5
Also, I know this might be getting close to very dangerous territory here, but I feel the need to mention that pretty much every female celebrity I follow on social media (who have spoken about this case) actually supported Johnny.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 1, 2022 22:06:19 GMT -5
So, did she really shit in his bed?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 1, 2022 22:09:55 GMT -5
And now you know why media outlets like Daily Wire were supporting Depp so hard. To say nothing of the talking heads on certain news networks openly celebrating "the death of #MeToo." OK, but again, do you throw Johnny under the bus just so that someone else you don't like doesn't feel like they get a win?
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 22:11:59 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes.
You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so.
I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending?
It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 1, 2022 22:16:04 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes. You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so. I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending? It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole. It feeds into the idea that some people who are not guilty need to be hurt anyway in the name of Equity. And that doesn't heal anything.
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 22:22:16 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes. You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so. I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending? It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole. It feeds into the idea that some people who are not guilty need to be hurt anyway in the name of Equity. And that doesn't heal anything. It's also not laying blame for a fallout from this where it belongs: on the person who lied. In this case, a court of their peers found that to be Amber. I've been saying for ages now that everything we'd been shown Amber's done was insanely detrimental to the cause of real victims; that it wasn't only an injustice in the micro, but in the macro as well. The solution to this isn't continuing to blame or exonerate people based on gender (or any other similar factor), but to blame or exonerate based on fact. Fact is where the truth and solutions lay, as fact is objective.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 22:29:28 GMT -5
To say nothing of the talking heads on certain news networks openly celebrating "the death of #MeToo." OK, but again, do you throw Johnny under the bus just so that someone else you don't like doesn't feel like they get a win? No, of course not. He had every right to try to clear his name, it's just the case itself was a "no matter who wins, less fortunate victims will lose" situation. There's no right or wrong answers here, just a lot of fallout that will cause a ton of problems in the future.
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 1, 2022 23:12:45 GMT -5
It feeds into the idea that some people who are not guilty need to be hurt anyway in the name of Equity. And that doesn't heal anything. It's also not laying blame for a fallout from this where it belongs: on the person who lied. In this case, a court of their peers found that to be Amber. I've been saying for ages now that everything we'd been shown Amber's done was insanely detrimental to the cause of real victims; that it wasn't only an injustice in the micro, but in the macro as well. The solution to this isn't continuing to blame or exonerate people based on gender (or any other similar factor), but to blame or exonerate based on fact. Fact is where the truth and solutions lay, as fact is objective. Eh, idk about that (the bolded part). Ain't as if these dudes were believing victims anyway to begin with.
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 23:23:58 GMT -5
It's also not laying blame for a fallout from this where it belongs: on the person who lied. In this case, a court of their peers found that to be Amber. I've been saying for ages now that everything we'd been shown Amber's done was insanely detrimental to the cause of real victims; that it wasn't only an injustice in the micro, but in the macro as well. The solution to this isn't continuing to blame or exonerate people based on gender (or any other similar factor), but to blame or exonerate based on fact. Fact is where the truth and solutions lay, as fact is objective. Eh, idk about that (the bolded part). Ain't as if these dudes were believing victims anyway to begin with. For a second I thought you were saying that I hadn't been saying that, and I stared at the post like "..." and then I realized what you were saying haha Fair enough; I still stand by it, because no good can come from her actions. It doesn't make things easier for victims by any means.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 2, 2022 1:05:57 GMT -5
Amber is done. She's toxic now. WB should replace her in the DCU with Emilia Clarke. I'm sure Jason Momoa won't mind.
Johnny will be fine. Disney would make shitloads of money if Captain Jack returns.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 2, 2022 2:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 2, 2022 2:39:49 GMT -5
I don't know what people are watching or looking at, but I got a single video on Depp/Heard and that's only because I've watched other videos from the lawyer who was covering it. The rest were just trending stuff on Reddit or people posting memes to Facebook.
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Post by Hurbster on Jun 2, 2022 3:02:42 GMT -5
It's over, right?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 2, 2022 3:29:12 GMT -5
I'm going to write this post and I'll be honest, this is me done in this thread. I won't read any replies, anyone who DMs me will be ignored, anyone who follows me on social media who messages me will be ignored. I'm putting this here and walking away and I hope you are all able to respect that.
The words "Men can be victims, too" has been on my mind since I read it here. It also triggered me to the point where I had no emotions for a good few minutes until I told a friend about it.
Most of that is because I'm a male victim of abuse. I was in a relationship for a couple of years but knew this person I'd be with for over 5. I wanted to be with her so bad because even though we were different, we bonded over stuff in ways I didn't with many people. I loved her and, honestly, I still do even now despite all this.
I always knew she had mental issues and I wanted to help her through it. But time and time again, I was treated like a lesser being for stuff I did. There was always a line or a monologue or something about how I didn't care about her because I had friends or didn't care about her because I had hobbies or didn't care because I had female friends or wha Was I the perfect boyfriend? No, there were things I wish I did that I didn't or said that I didn't to set off a reaction or make me look bad. But I couldn't get myself to leave because of words she said to me about how she would be the only one who'd date me being it was my first relationship. And so far, she's right. I've been on three dates since. One thought I was boring and two who really liked me and then proceeded to never speak to me again. It makes me feel like damaged goods regardless of what I tried. Heck, I bonded with someone just the other day and they'd help me through things and then suddenly out of the blue, I was blocked. No reason, no provoking, nothing. It makes me feel worthless.
The only reason we broke up was because I was forced to move to Ireland and when she asked me something I won't get into, told her she'd be much happier to getting what she wanted instead of trying to balance me with it. And to say it ended badly was an understatement. She never gave me time to mourn and I could show you abusive emails she sent saying I was the worst and how I almost caused her to cause pain to herself which is just emotional blackmail. I can see that now but at the time, I couldn't, especially when I basically spent loads of money just to call the police when I thought she would go a step too far.
"Men can be victims, too" to me comes off in the same way "girlboss" does or any other weird empowerment phrase does. It means nothing to me. High profile Men have committed suicide because of online abuse and we had our mourning period and then we kept going like nothing happened. Women get arrested in domestic violence cases and the men get ridiculed for it. It happens every time. Nothing changes, nobody wants to actually put the work in to change perceptions or help people affected because most of the people who bring us up just use us as shields that this stuff happens when they're the same people who'd gladly throw us under the bus when they're done doing that.
And this verdict? Well, if I broke up with her in America and she had the money to move the case to Virginia, well, I could get sued for this very post for smearing her name. Regardless of who did what and how, that's what this tells me. Even if I disclose nothing about them. So hey, doesn't help women who are abused, doesn't help men who are abused and only fuels those with a grudge whenever this comes up again. Especially with how many people have joked around and treated it like a damn sport.
I'm also not going to say that my case should be treated as a priority over others because, frankly, I was only hit once by her (and when I asked her not to do it so that people didn't think she was an abuser, she used it against me like everything else) and because I'm not ignorant. I'm one of few stories of abuse that I hear about whilst almost all my friends who are women have a story about abuse, one of my closest friends managed to get out of an abusive relationship and I'm proud of her for it. But what I am saying is now those same people have an excuse to just not say anything. Where does it get you? People haven't shown they want to help or do very much so all it. Heck, as I write this, I'm at work and it's the talk of the watercooler and they're laughing away at shit and all I can think is "How would you react if I said my story to any of you?" and it just makes me want to give up. What's the point? Nobody took me seriously before, people are going to take it substantially less seriously now.
So that's what I wanted to say. If you want to ask me about Dynamite this week, go for it or literally anything else. This, on this platform, I'm done talking about.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 2, 2022 3:55:35 GMT -5
Yogurt rifles is a new one. What surprises me is that DiBiase is Good didn’t think of it first.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 2, 2022 4:06:45 GMT -5
Only thing I've ever thought about this is they were probably both toxic and abusive to one another.
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Post by Bones58 on Jun 2, 2022 4:18:30 GMT -5
Only thing I've ever thought about this is they were probably both toxic and abusive to one another. Still do Exactly. But why did Amber Heard write the damn article in the first place knowing she wasn’t some shrinking violet getting beat every night because the dinner wasn’t made for Johnny Depp coming home? If I was in a toxic relationship where we both done things that wouldn’t make anyone look good, just simply get a divorce, get both parties to sign an NDA and move on.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 2, 2022 4:18:44 GMT -5
Yogurt rifles is a new one. What surprises me is that DiBiase is Good didn’t think of it first. I am aware of its existence. Finchy says it in The Office but IIRC he adds something like “pump-action” to it.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 2, 2022 4:46:07 GMT -5
Only thing I've ever thought about this is they were probably both toxic and abusive to one another. Still do It's wild that that's a takeaway that is both correct and pisses everyone off. Saying that they're both toxic, abusive assholes would get you flak from both directions.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 2, 2022 6:20:20 GMT -5
Articles like those are only perpetuating the idea that only women are victims, which perpetuates the wrong environment and attitudes. You know what the real problem is? The insistence that the woman was ever possibly only the victim solely because she's female. Progress isn't made by swapping roles, it's made when roles are equal. The fact that places like Rolling Stone, Vice and so on refuse to allow a scenario where a man is the victim of the abuse isn't open-minded whatsoever, no matter how much they insist it's so. I don't look at this case and see a silencing of a victim, I see a victim who finally got to tell his story. He and his lawyers presented tons of evidence to back his claim, but there are people who still insist on him HAVING to be the perpetrator, solely because he's a man. Evidence and testimony don't matter because he's a man. What kind of message is THAT sending? It does no one any good to stick hardline to these things even when presented with the contrary. It accomplishes absolutely nothing on the whole. I try to avoid quoting someone and saying "this". But......this.
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