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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 19:43:04 GMT -5
Tbf how law works Depp probably won't see a cent until at least 5 years from now. If at all. She'll pledge it to him. So people realise this wasn't a case of Heard being found guilty of abuse, but rather a defamation case that now sets the worrying judicial precedent that people aren't allowed to call out their abusers in public even vaguely because it's considered 'malicious', right? NXT UK wrestlers must be rubbing their hands together with glee. Another f***ed up thing her lies have done. Victims have enough of a hard time without someone fabricating stories in public.
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 19:44:53 GMT -5
The problem is many victims of abuse, legitimate victims, simply don't have good evidence. Long term abusers get very good at hiding the evidence of their abuse. That alone prevents many victims from coming forward, and the thought that they may end up having to pay compensation to their abusers for speaking out will not improve things. You got it upside down.Im talking about proving Defamation To prove defamation you need a shit down of evidence. The Johnny Depp is unprecedent for many reasons. As a good woman said when breaking down the case: The Law was on Amber's side. Its almost impossible to prove defamation for something like this.Proving Abuse is a whole other can of worms but that was essential on proving THIS defamation. Johnny had years of audio, all witness on their favors, the experts were EXTREMELY towards Johnny, photo evidence,text evidence,all kinds. Going into this, many lawyers were saying he had no real chance to win, just due to the structure of the system for defamation. There was so much put forth, though, that it was beyond clear who the abuser in the relationship was, and that it wasn't Johnny.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 1, 2022 19:55:22 GMT -5
That was always a tactic of intimidation,it isnt new, there was even people saying it was when the Depp trial first started. You cant win without good evidence and the ones trying to abuse it will soon realize that The problem is many victims of abuse, legitimate victims, simply don't have good evidence. Long term abusers get very good at hiding the evidence of their abuse. That alone prevents many victims from coming forward, and the thought that they may end up having to pay compensation to their abusers for speaking out will not improve things. Also, as somebody who has been sexually assaulted twice, sometimes things just happen in a way where nobody would possibly believe you enough to win in court. They could believe that everything happened that the way you said they did, but not believe it's enough to put someone in "pound-me-in-the-ass prison" for 20+ years. :/
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 19:55:34 GMT -5
You got it upside down.Im talking about proving Defamation To prove defamation you need a shit down of evidence. The Johnny Depp is unprecedent for many reasons. As a good woman said when breaking down the case: The Law was on Amber's side. Its almost impossible to prove defamation for something like this. Proving Abuse is a whole other can of worms but that was essential on proving THIS defamation. Johnny had years of audio, all witness on his favor, the experts were EXTREMELY towards Johnny, photo evidence,text evidence,all kinds. Something that is simply impossible to replicate even for most real cases of defamation. Okay, that's fair, but part of my point still stands. Victims will keep silent because they'll fear legal reprisals, regardless of whether there's a solid case or not. Justice may have been served in this case, but it's going to cause a lot of damage going forward.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 1, 2022 19:59:41 GMT -5
You got it upside down.Im talking about proving Defamation To prove defamation you need a shit down of evidence. The Johnny Depp is unprecedent for many reasons. As a good woman said when breaking down the case: The Law was on Amber's side. Its almost impossible to prove defamation for something like this. Proving Abuse is a whole other can of worms but that was essential on proving THIS defamation. Johnny had years of audio, all witness on his favor, the experts were EXTREMELY towards Johnny, photo evidence,text evidence,all kinds. Something that is simply impossible to replicate even for most real cases of defamation. Okay, that's fair, but part of my point still stands. Victims will keep silent because they'll fear legal reprisals, regardless of whether there's a solid case or not. Justice may have been served in this case, but it's going to cause a lot of damage going forward. I think its fair to fear and I definitely there will be more in the short term as it just wont stick with fake allegations,which also would have happened the moment he showed she was a lier, win or lose. I think we will see more people trying to piggy back of Johnny's success itself to rally people behind then more than anything(A SEE, I'M JUST LIKE HIM!). But again these people probably wont see a fraction of the support, just the usual losers
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 1, 2022 20:01:25 GMT -5
You got it upside down.Im talking about proving Defamation To prove defamation you need a shit down of evidence. The Johnny Depp is unprecedent for many reasons. As a good woman said when breaking down the case: The Law was on Amber's side. Its almost impossible to prove defamation for something like this. Proving Abuse is a whole other can of worms but that was essential on proving THIS defamation. Johnny had years of audio, all witness on his favor, the experts were EXTREMELY towards Johnny, photo evidence,text evidence,all kinds. Something that is simply impossible to replicate even for most real cases of defamation. Okay, that's fair, but part of my point still stands. Victims will keep silent because they'll fear legal reprisals, regardless of whether there's a solid case or not. Justice may have been served in this case, but it's going to cause a lot of damage going forward. I get the whole idea of "The Greater Good", but I still don't like the idea of "We've gotta sacrifice this person so someone worse doesn't feel emboldened by piggybacking off of a legitimate case".
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 20:08:34 GMT -5
I get the whole idea of "The Greater Good", but I still don't like the idea of "We've gotta sacrifice this person so someone worse doesn't feel emboldened by piggybacking off of a legitimate case". Personally, I feel that there was no reason for this case to have played out on TV. I'm pleased for Depp, but he could have achieved the same result without it being a public farce. The court of public opinion was on his side anyway, and anybody pro-Heard before the case started is still pro-Heard now, and in many cases rabidly more-so.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 1, 2022 20:15:49 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised he won. Objectively though, not subjectively. Subjectively, Amber Heard is an extremely shitty person while Johnny Depp is less so. The reason I'm surprised is because this trial was all about defamation. Depp has never really proved his innocence in doing bad things to Heard, he just proved that Heard was a lot worse to him than he was to her. But he never really proved that she was totally BSing in her original accusations, so I wonder why he won. I'm figuring because the jury decided that his career was damaged disproportionately to hers based on all the accusations that were thrown out there and what was proven to be BS and what wasn't.
My point is I don't think Amber Heard losing will result in more victims staying silent. At least I hope not.
Because Amber Heard didn't get tons of backlash because she spoke out. She got some backlash sure, mostly from Johnny Depp fanatics, but she got a LOT more guff when the accusations of what she did to Depp came out.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jun 1, 2022 20:22:26 GMT -5
She did win $2million in her counter sue.
But she also basically admitted to defaming him on the stand when she said write the op Ed to hurt his career. Camile was like Elle Woods In that last cross. There’s the malice.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 1, 2022 20:37:49 GMT -5
She did win $2million in her counter sue. But she also basically admitted to defaming him on the stand when she said write the op Ed to hurt his career. Camile was like Elle Woods In that last cross. There’s the malice. And funny enough she got 0 in punitive. For contrast the Jury wanted Amber to pay 5 MILLION on punitive. if that doesnt tell you the Juries opnion of her while trying to maintain the law
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 20:45:49 GMT -5
I get the whole idea of "The Greater Good", but I still don't like the idea of "We've gotta sacrifice this person so someone worse doesn't feel emboldened by piggybacking off of a legitimate case". Personally, I feel that there was no reason for this case to have played out on TV. I'm pleased for Depp, but he could have achieved the same result without it being a public farce. The court of public opinion was on his side anyway, and anybody pro-Heard before the case started is still pro-Heard now, and in many cases rabidly more-so. He fought for it to be aired in public, as the court of public opinion wasn't as staunchly on his side has it has been since this whole thing started. People forget, but a lot of people believed Amber outright, and if you thought the allegations were suspect, it was not taken to kindly. This affected him personally, but he also directly lost work; Grindelwald is the first thing that leaps to mind. Also, there was no way he was going to get fair coverage in the media and he knew it. Based on the way this went for the last six weeks... he was right. I thought as you did at first, thinking it was private and not for our consumption; when I heard that he specifically fought for this, it changed my perspective on it. It was important to him that this be out in the open, and I fully understand why.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 21:06:18 GMT -5
One thing for Amber is through all of this she has made guys rethink about putting their yougrt rifles in crazy.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 1, 2022 21:16:35 GMT -5
One thing for Amber is through all of this she has made guys rethink about putting their yougrt rifles in crazy. That's a new euphemism for cock, I take it?
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Post by King Boo on Jun 1, 2022 21:20:51 GMT -5
Yogurt rifles is a new one.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 1, 2022 21:30:54 GMT -5
Yogurt rifles is a new one. But I don't hate it
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 21:42:47 GMT -5
My point is I don't think Amber Heard losing will result in more victims staying silent. At least I hope not. It's anecdotal, as it'll probably be years before we get any kind of statistics, but:
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 1, 2022 21:45:11 GMT -5
My point is I don't think Amber Heard losing will result in more victims staying silent. At least I hope not. It's anecdotal, as it'll probably be years before we get any kind of statistics, but: And now you know why media outlets like Daily Wire were supporting Depp so hard.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 1, 2022 21:48:45 GMT -5
The problem is many victims of abuse, legitimate victims, simply don't have good evidence. Long term abusers get very good at hiding the evidence of their abuse. That alone prevents many victims from coming forward, and the thought that they may end up having to pay compensation to their abusers for speaking out will not improve things. You got it upside down.Im talking about proving Defamation To prove defamation you need a shit down of evidence. The Johnny Depp is unprecedent for many reasons. As a good woman said when breaking down the case: The Law was on Amber's side. Its almost impossible to prove defamation for something like this. Proving Abuse is a whole other can of worms but that was essential on proving THIS defamation. Johnny had years of audio, all witness on his favor, the experts were EXTREMELY towards Johnny, photo evidence,text evidence,all kinds. Something that is simply impossible to replicate even for most real cases of defamation. And millions of dollars to hire very good lawyers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-Johnny or anti-Amber. I think these two people were extremely toxic together. However, I think Amber's claim about being a victim was not quite right. Johnny was no saint in that relationship, but maybe he didn't deserve to get his career destroyed because of it. As for this marking the end of MeToo? I don't know. I think this is a reminder that A) Men can be victims too B) Sometimes there is a grey area. Women like Amber Heard or Asia Argento shouldn't be torch bearers, but people like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are monsters. And sometimes there is a lot more to the story than just what one side says. Twitter's not a courtroom.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 1, 2022 21:56:02 GMT -5
My point is I don't think Amber Heard losing will result in more victims staying silent. At least I hope not. It's anecdotal, as it'll probably be years before we get any kind of statistics, but: Um... I'm just gonna say it, this entire string of tweets makes me extremely sad and angry. Completely ignoring the fact that Johnny Depp is also an accuser who spoke out.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 1, 2022 21:57:16 GMT -5
And now you know why media outlets like Daily Wire were supporting Depp so hard. To say nothing of the talking heads on certain news networks openly celebrating "the death of #MeToo."
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