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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 18, 2020 18:58:43 GMT -5
Sabertooth should've been the final boss of Logan instead of a Wolvie clone. He powers would warrent the use of the magic bullet and it bring things full circle to both the 1at X-Men film and the 1st Wolverine film. I think the stink of the first Wolverine film kinda killed that which sucks because he was the best thing in that pile of dung. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 18, 2020 18:58:53 GMT -5
Sabertooth should've been the final boss of Logan instead of a Wolvie clone. He powers would warrent the use of the magic bullet and it bring things full circle to both the 1at X-Men film and the 1st Wolverine film. At the very least they could have used Daken. Or maybe a more comics-accurate Donald Pierce with cyborg parts. The Logan clone was easily the least interesting thing in the whole movie. They could have given us a really interesting end-boss and clone-logan just felt kinda lazy. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 18, 2020 19:37:54 GMT -5
IMO, writers (and some fans) fall too easily into the “Superman can be only be a perfect holy being or ruthlessly corrupted” paradox. Keep in mind one is really writing about Clark Kent, and Clark is a good hearted everyman who just happens to have powers from the sun. It should be easy. Any writer who approaches Superman from the perspective of Clark Kent just being a mask he wears should be fired and never allowed to write him again. That applies to every medium. For that matter, Bill's idiotic speech about Superman in Kill Bill nearly ruined the whole movie for me. Exactly. The “public persona is my mask” angle works with Batman because Batman, when he’s not raising Bat-Money as Bruce Wayne, is activity trying to scare and psych out bad guys. Superman likes to inspire people because that’s what Clark believes, so him being friendly and grounded makes sense. |
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 18, 2020 21:18:04 GMT -5
While I was/is against the whole New 52 Reboot, I think it could have worked if DC did a total clean slate.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 18, 2020 22:49:24 GMT -5
Any writer who approaches Superman from the perspective of Clark Kent just being a mask he wears should be fired and never allowed to write him again. That applies to every medium. For that matter, Bill's idiotic speech about Superman in Kill Bill nearly ruined the whole movie for me. Exactly. The “public persona is my mask” angle works with Batman because Batman, when he’s not raising Bat-Money as Bruce Wayne, is activity trying to scare and psych out bad guys. Superman likes to inspire people because that’s what Clark believes, so him being friendly and grounded makes sense. Yeah, at the end of the day Superman thinks of himself as Clark Kent from Smallville. Superman is basically his job. Bruce generally thinks of himself as Batman first... |
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Post by Talent Name on Apr 18, 2020 22:55:41 GMT -5
Ultimates 3 may have be the worse one ever
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 23:23:35 GMT -5
Ultimates 3 may have be the worse one ever I think the only way in which that's an unpopular opinion is that people generally hate Ultimatum more. It's still a pretty loathed story in its own right. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 19, 2020 0:15:56 GMT -5
Ultimates 3 may have be the worse one ever I think the only way in which that's an unpopular opinion is that people generally hate Ultimatum more. It's still a pretty loathed story in its own right. Ultimatum is just one of the most miserable *books* I've ever read, period, graphic novel or otherwise. I mean, yikes. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 19, 2020 0:27:02 GMT -5
I think the only way in which that's an unpopular opinion is that people generally hate Ultimatum more. It's still a pretty loathed story in its own right. Ultimatum is just one of the most miserable *books* I've ever read, period, graphic novel or otherwise. I mean, yikes. Dear f***ing God, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum are atrocious. I just re-read them a few months back during my Ultimate Marvel kick and they are so bad. So, so f***ing bad |
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Post by Talent Name on Apr 19, 2020 0:31:03 GMT -5
Ultimatum is just one of the most miserable *books* I've ever read, period, graphic novel or otherwise. I mean, yikes. Dear f***ing God, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum are atrocious. I just re-read them a few months back during my Ultimate Marvel kick and they are so bad. So, so f***ing bad Like near the end of the Ultimate line they gave zero f***s it's just as bad as Ultimate Iron Man series done by Orson Scott Card |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 19, 2020 0:34:34 GMT -5
Dear f***ing God, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum are atrocious. I just re-read them a few months back during my Ultimate Marvel kick and they are so bad. So, so f***ing bad Like near the end of the Ultimate line they gave zero f***s it's just as bad as Ultimate Iron Man series done by Orson Scott Card Did not re-read Ultimate Iron Man because that one I actually remembered how f***ing bad it is. Ultimate Spider-Man is so enjoyable, everything else is a train wreck. Well, Ultimates 1 and 2 had interesting moments, but they haven't aged well. USM is still a really enjoyable read tho, warts and all |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 19, 2020 0:58:39 GMT -5
I think a lot of discourse around superheroes lately (and some storylines too, looking at you, Nick Spencer) tries too hard to be serious and meaningful. I like thought provoking cape stories as well, but in between all these scholarly articles and debates around better character representation (which I am all for expanding) and what this MCU movie symbolizes, IMO some take for granted these characters are first and foremost supposed to be fun.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 19, 2020 1:18:49 GMT -5
Like near the end of the Ultimate line they gave zero f***s it's just as bad as Ultimate Iron Man series done by Orson Scott Card Did not re-read Ultimate Iron Man because that one I actually remembered how f***ing bad it is. Ultimate Spider-Man is so enjoyable, everything else is a train wreck. Well, Ultimates 1 and 2 had interesting moments, but they haven't aged well. USM is still a really enjoyable read tho, warts and all I've said before there's a reason why when they nuked the Ultiverse that Miles was the only real survivor... |
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Post by Talent Name on Apr 19, 2020 7:52:19 GMT -5
Did not re-read Ultimate Iron Man because that one I actually remembered how f***ing bad it is. Ultimate Spider-Man is so enjoyable, everything else is a train wreck. Well, Ultimates 1 and 2 had interesting moments, but they haven't aged well. USM is still a really enjoyable read tho, warts and all I've said before there's a reason why when they nuked the Ultiverse that Miles was the only real survivor... Except Spider-Men 2 set something up plus the Maker is running around in the regular universe and so is Jimmy |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 19, 2020 8:26:14 GMT -5
I think a lot of discourse around superheroes lately (and some storylines too, looking at you, Nick Spencer) tries too hard to be serious and meaningful. I like thought provoking cape stories as well, but in between all these scholarly articles and debates around better character representation (which I am all for expanding) and what this MCU movie symbolizes, IMO some take for granted these characters are first and foremost supposed to be fun. I feel the same way when I see threads/reviews for things like Clone Wars and DuckTales that are straining to apply adult sensibilities to children's cartoons. AV Club reviews DuckTales the same way they review Devs and I'm like "You're...you're not the target audience. They're not offering up deep takes on socioeconomics in a duck cartoon for kids." Things can be simple AND well-made and entertaining. It always seems like a justification for someone to like "kid's stuff" with these highbrow takes. |
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Post by ERON on Apr 19, 2020 8:46:00 GMT -5
I'll never not be angry at Marvel for making Wolverine's birth name James Howlett. I cringe whenever I see a character profile that says Real Name: James Howlett instead of Real Name: Logan. His name should have been either Logan Something or Something Logan, period. Howlett doesn't even work as a pun since wolverines don't howl.
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Post by thechase on Apr 19, 2020 9:08:45 GMT -5
Did not re-read Ultimate Iron Man because that one I actually remembered how f***ing bad it is. Ultimate Spider-Man is so enjoyable, everything else is a train wreck. Well, Ultimates 1 and 2 had interesting moments, but they haven't aged well. USM is still a really enjoyable read tho, warts and all I've said before there's a reason why when they nuked the Ultiverse that Miles was the only real survivor... One of Bendis' last Marvel projects, the Spider-Men II mini-series, revealed the Ultimate Universe is just fine, with Ultimate Peter active again as Spider-Man and living his life filling in for Miles over there. Ultimate Goblin has also been showing up in Miles' book |
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Post by dav on Apr 19, 2020 9:18:05 GMT -5
I'll never not be angry at Marvel for making Wolverine's birth name James Howlett. I cringe whenever I see a character profile that says Real Name: James Howlett instead of Real Name: Logan. His name should have been either Logan Something or Something Logan, period. Howlett doesn't even work as a pun since wolverines don't howl. His name's supposed to be a pun? |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 19, 2020 9:31:13 GMT -5
I think a lot of discourse around superheroes lately (and some storylines too, looking at you, Nick Spencer) tries too hard to be serious and meaningful. I like thought provoking cape stories as well, but in between all these scholarly articles and debates around better character representation (which I am all for expanding) and what this MCU movie symbolizes, IMO some take for granted these characters are first and foremost supposed to be fun. I feel the same way when I see threads/reviews for things like Clone Wars and DuckTales that are straining to apply adult sensibilities to children's cartoons. AV Club reviews DuckTales the same way they review Devs and I'm like "You're...you're not the target audience. They're not offering up deep takes on socioeconomics in a duck cartoon for kids." Things can be simple AND well-made and entertaining. It always seems like a justification for someone to like "kid's stuff" with these highbrow takes. Yeah, and I’m okay with writers making thoughtful stories for younger audiences, that’s why a lot of indie titles work. But not every title has to be Kingdom Come-level high concept stuff (and I love that book, flaws and all) or a Moore-esque big statement to be entertaining, IMO. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 19, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -5
IMO, writers (and some fans) fall too easily into the “Superman can be only be a perfect holy being or ruthlessly corrupted” paradox. Keep in mind one is really writing about Clark Kent, and Clark is a good hearted everyman who just happens to have powers from the sun. It should be easy. Any writer who approaches Superman from the perspective of Clark Kent just being a mask he wears should be fired and never allowed to write him again. That applies to every medium. For that matter, Bill's idiotic speech about Superman in Kill Bill nearly ruined the whole movie for me. Tarantino loves his Superman hot-take, and he always finds room for it. The thing these people always get wrong is that they think "Superman" is somehow not Clark Kent. The Superman people get in public is the same person who went to public school. Did chores. Went on dates. He's just a guy, and his kindness is a direct result of his upbringing on a farm with two humans. "Clark Kent" only became fake when he moved to Metropolis. But that doesn't mean there is no Clark Kent. It means that "Superman" is the real Clark Kent. |
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