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Post by chrom on May 25, 2020 19:04:27 GMT -5
This has got to open eyes about the effects of cyber bullying, it's becoming more and more prominent each day. Look at the Snyder Cult for example with their tactics which involves cyber bullying, some saying The Corona Virus and people who've died of it was punishment for not getting their precious Justice League Cut.
Some say just get off the internet and it'll stop but it's far from that simple.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 25, 2020 19:05:45 GMT -5
On top of everything else, she had a kitten too. Hope it’s taken care of after losing Hana. Stardom and/or Rossy Ogawa has taken in the cat.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2020 19:06:35 GMT -5
We live in an unfair world. There are many ways to combat this sort of behavior, ways to curb it, penalize it and legalize the end of it. But retaliatory violence is not the answer. They don't learn from that. That only tells them we're worse than they are. I'm no lawyer by any means, but from what I've seen, most laws haven't fully caught up with things like cyberbullying yet. It will often involve different jurisdictions or countries altogether, and it can become an absolute mess to deal with from a legal standpoint. But it's absolutely something that needs to be addressed, and until it does, you're going to see more and more of these rumblings of vigilante justice for tragedies like this one. If people don't feel safe within their own legal system, they're going to lash out to try and bring about some sense of justice, for right or for wrong. I just hope that countries around the world can get their laws in order before that becomes too big of a problem. That's why I said there are ways to legalize the end of it, not that we're there yet. We can find a way. We have to push and push hard to make it happen.
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Post by Malcolm on May 25, 2020 19:13:28 GMT -5
I think the perfect punishment for these ghouls is to have that stupid show cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 19:54:25 GMT -5
It's just a shame that she felt the need to do that. A shame that she didn't see all the amazing opportunities she had yet to experience.
I always say to myself, no matter how bad things are; in a month, a year, two years, three years... whatever you're going through will be in the past. And people ALWAYS forget and move onto the next thing.
Obviously she felt the pressure from that reality show, but the truth is, that would all be forgotten about a year or so from now. It's just so tragic and such a waste.
RIP.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 25, 2020 20:51:55 GMT -5
This has got to open eyes about the effects of cyber bullying, it's becoming more and more prominent each day. Look at the Snyder Cult for example with their tactics which involves cyber bullying, some saying The Corona Virus and people who've died of it was punishment for not getting their precious Justice League Cut. Some say just get off the internet and it'll stop but it's far from that simple. Unfortunately, call me a cynic, fine...cause I have past history and more to back me up being a cynic. But, like with so many other examples, this'll happen and no one learns from it. Hana was sadly not the first to die because of bullying of some sort, for instance. Then there's the several instances where OTHER people died because someone was supposedly bullied that you can combine with those. And in wrestling? Same thing. I thought "Go be a fan-gate" in ROH would open eyes, but what's been done as a result of that? If I am missing anything do let me know. And again, my personal experiences (by proxy) were never, ever, ever resolved as far as I know. (yet people directly involved there are saying how awful what happened to Hana was, and cyberbullying sucks etc. etc....SMDH....)
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 25, 2020 21:33:19 GMT -5
This has got to open eyes about the effects of cyber bullying, it's becoming more and more prominent each day. Look at the Snyder Cult for example with their tactics which involves cyber bullying, some saying The Corona Virus and people who've died of it was punishment for not getting their precious Justice League Cut. Some say just get off the internet and it'll stop but it's far from that simple. Unfortunately, call me a cynic, fine...cause I have past history and more to back me up being a cynic. But, like with so many other examples, this'll happen and no one learns from it. Hana was sadly not the first to die because of bullying of some sort, for instance. Then there's the several instances where OTHER people died because someone was supposedly bullied that you can combine with those. And in wrestling? Same thing. I thought "Go be a fan-gate" in ROH would open eyes, but what's been done as a result of that? If I am missing anything do let me know. And again, my personal experiences (by proxy) were never, ever, ever resolved as far as I know. (yet people directly involved there are saying how awful what happened to Hana was, and cyberbullying sucks etc. etc....SMDH....) This thread is about Hana Kimura. Please, use this thread to respect/discuss her.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 25, 2020 22:58:07 GMT -5
Pretty messed up people on Twitter when this happened were like be kind to others and respect one another yet barely a week goes by and its a shit show of put downs and insults. The fact they know they can say what they want just gives them more power
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Post by Mozenrath on May 25, 2020 23:14:10 GMT -5
That colorism/racism was a big part of it is something I have seen a lot of people miss. Hana was mixed race, and this fact was VERY much not lost on a lot of the people who went after her.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on May 25, 2020 23:47:13 GMT -5
Don’t watch Raw, but I’m hearing there was no mention of Hana on tonight’s show.
I know Vince lives in his WWE/Titan bubble... but just this one time he could of done something noble and with class and have his program acknowledge this sad event, have the wrestling community come together and say “we are with you here”. But no, Hana never worked for Vince, so no mention.
I know a lot of the talent on the WWE roster have expressed their thoughts over this on Twitter. I just think the most powerful man in this industry could of said something.
I’m just a fool for believing that.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 26, 2020 2:21:15 GMT -5
Legal action against cyberbullying in Japan (well, anywhere) can be difficult. As I said earlier, to my understanding over here the family of the deceased has to initiate it. Obviously I dunno anything, but Rossy recently stated that he had consulted with both Hana's family and Chigusa Nagayo and are considering legal action. Completely unrelated but her manjigatame and other stretches were so good. On top of everything else, she had a kitten too. Hope it’s taken care of after losing Hana. She dropped it off in a basket to the Stardom front office sometime before she passed. It's currently being taken care of at the Stardom dorm. Not to go off topic but the Japanese political party's have a short deadline in mind to put something through into legislation on cyber-bullying --- english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/05/77d3f1ede7a4-suicide-note-written-by-japanese-netflix-star-hana-kimura-found.htmlOn Monday, leading politicians reaffirmed the need to deal with such bullying following the death of Kimura, who was known to be a popular wrestler usually playing the role of a "heel" or villain. The Diet affairs chief of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, Hiroshi Moriyama, met with Jun Azumi, his counterpart in the main opposition Constitutional Democratic Party of Japan, and agreed to start a discussion on establishing a set of rules to prevent cyber-bullying. "It is important for the legislature to play a role to make a society where such incidents do not happen," said Moriyama. "We will aim to reach a consensus on a certain direction (for the rules) by the fall," Azumi said.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 26, 2020 2:38:20 GMT -5
That colorism/racism was a big part of it is something I have seen a lot of people miss. Hana was mixed race, and this fact was VERY much not lost on a lot of the people who went after her. Christ, does that make this a hate crime if they targeted her for being mixed race?
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 26, 2020 3:34:01 GMT -5
I am so glad that none of this social media horseshit was around when I was in school or younger. Kids bullying each other. God damn adults bullying each other. I refuse to participate in any of it. f*** twitter, facebook, instagram, tiktok, and all that stupid shit.
It should only be allowed to keep in touch with people you personally know. Nobody should be able to torture celebrities or classmates or anybody they don't know. Social media is a cesspool.
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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2020 3:40:28 GMT -5
Legal action against cyberbullying in Japan (well, anywhere) can be difficult. As I said earlier, to my understanding over here the family of the deceased has to initiate it. Obviously I dunno anything, but Rossy recently stated that he had consulted with both Hana's family and Chigusa Nagayo and are considering legal action. Completely unrelated but her manjigatame and other stretches were so good. On top of everything else, she had a kitten too. Hope it’s taken care of after losing Hana. She dropped it off in a basket to the Stardom front office sometime before she passed. It's currently being taken care of at the Stardom dorm. Even among all of it she took the time to make sure the cat would be ok. Part of me still hopes it is all a sick joke or misunderstanding ,for it to happen to a caring person like her.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 26, 2020 4:05:54 GMT -5
Stardom made a followup statement.
Her mom indicated that she's sad because she asked mass media to not report specific details at this time but it has been, and Rossy said he has been swarmed with phone calls from the press. I'm not going to get into complexities or morality of respect for privacy vs. what one feels is journalistic duty, but sounds like everyone close to the situation is frustrated with the media pressure.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 26, 2020 4:37:17 GMT -5
I think the perfect punishment for these ghouls is to have that stupid show cancelled. The next few episodes are suspended with no new date for airing and there's talk that the show and franchise may end because of this.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 26, 2020 6:33:45 GMT -5
That colorism/racism was a big part of it is something I have seen a lot of people miss. Hana was mixed race, and this fact was VERY much not lost on a lot of the people who went after her. Yeah, for those unaware Hana's father was Indonesian, and a good portion of the abuse thrown her way had to do with her being of a "mixed" background. You just know that so many of the assholes going after her for that probably found her attractive because she had a distinctive look, but then weaponized her own parentage against her to tell her she didn't belong or something equally awful. It's interesting that she and Giulia were marked for the top of Stardom's current roster, and Giulia is half Italian and English born. I hope Hana's story and Giulia's coming success keep striking against the treatment far too many multi-ethnic people get in countries with more ethnic homogeneity. The one other thing I hope that people don't lose sight of is that while the people who attacked Hana over a stupid TV show deserve blame and criticism, we can't lose sight of the worst habits that exist within wrestling fandom, as well. As mentioned before in this thread, Stardom recently revamped a lot of their rules around interactions with the wrestlers at merch tables/autograph sessions/etc., and by many accounts a big reason that happened had to do with the kind of treatment Hana, in particular, was getting from the bigger creepers in the audience. I don't know any specifics, and I'm not sure anybody outside Stardom really does, either, but we've all seen examples of fans who "stan" someone so much that in the process they actually show that there's nearly just as dangerous a side to a person being "loved" and desired as there is to someone being loathed and ostracized: that the person's humanity is minimized to suit the image that the person observing them has in their head. You can tear a person apart and toss them in the trash, but you can also put someone on a pedestal, and in both situations you're essentially ignoring that, end of the day, the person is human, with all the complexities and complications that come with humanity. Basically, I doubt that Hana was fine one moment, then hurt and depressed enough the very next to take her own life. Suicide is never a simple thing: there can be an incident that fully triggers such terrifying thoughts, but it's rarely only one factor creating the circumstances under which a person goes through with it, or at least makes an attempt. Perhaps Hana's father not being a presence in her life impacted her mental state over her life, perhaps she grew up with a lot of mistreatment over her ethnicity, perhaps she was being honest in that clip from the show in saying that being in wrestling made her social life outside the business awkward, etc. But if she was also getting mistreatment from wrestling fans who claimed to "love" her, and then getting attacked by fans of this show from outside the business who tore her apart, I can too easily imagine that creating a sense of "no way out".
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Post by James Fabiano on May 26, 2020 10:10:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, call me a cynic, fine...cause I have past history and more to back me up being a cynic. But, like with so many other examples, this'll happen and no one learns from it. Hana was sadly not the first to die because of bullying of some sort, for instance. Then there's the several instances where OTHER people died because someone was supposedly bullied that you can combine with those. And in wrestling? Same thing. I thought "Go be a fan-gate" in ROH would open eyes, but what's been done as a result of that? If I am missing anything do let me know. And again, my personal experiences (by proxy) were never, ever, ever resolved as far as I know. (yet people directly involved there are saying how awful what happened to Hana was, and cyberbullying sucks etc. etc....SMDH....) This thread is about Hana Kimura. Please, use this thread to respect/discuss her. Of course. It just makes me mad that this happened to her, and no one will likely learn from it. The paper thin turnarounds from people who also misused social media also makes me mad. Basically, my point was nothing ever seems to teach anyone a lesson about bullying, and Hana's memory deserves more than that.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on May 26, 2020 10:40:45 GMT -5
Just found out about this and my heart is broken. Hana was a bright shining star, really something special. I am at a loss for words.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 26, 2020 11:10:37 GMT -5
I am so glad that none of this social media horseshit was around when I was in school or younger. Kids bullying each other. God damn adults bullying each other. I refuse to participate in any of it. f*** twitter, facebook, instagram, tiktok, and all that stupid shit. It should only be allowed to keep in touch with people you personally know. Nobody should be able to torture celebrities or classmates or anybody they don't know. Social media is a cesspool. I'd hope that had I been in my teens NOW, the so called "PC/cancel" culture would mean I received less of the insults and abuse I did when I was pre-college. But...you are correct. Moreso since I see that not everyone has grown up who ARE my age or older. What would it be like with the younger set?
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