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Post by johnnyk9 on May 24, 2020 17:56:16 GMT -5
Sad hearing about all these deaths recently
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Post by segaz on May 24, 2020 23:17:06 GMT -5
The depressing truth is, if you're the kind of person who would bully someone online like this, their suicide is not going to be a wake-up call, because you already have a number of cognitive defenses to keep from feeling guilt about what you do. If anything, it'll increase your cruelty, because it'll just strengthen your justification that emotionally weak people shouldn't call attention to themselves, or whatever bullshit you're using. Cognitive dissonance has changed schadenfreude from entertainment into a moral good for a lot of people, and it's terrifying. This has always been the case. Bullying and harassment especially in but certainly not limited to, schools and workplaces. Someone commits suicide because we used to tease them, did you hear that, lol, eh what's next. This is a sad case with Hana, and hearing about how she liked comments that hated her, and her final message.....awful. I wish we could replay things and stop it from happening. You think someone has everything to live for, and tons of people who care about them....yet they reach that state right under the noses... When this happens, all the people who were directly harrassing go to earth and stay silent. They should be permanently banned from Twitter or whatever at the very least. I guess it's not quite like the Roman Gladiator entertainment where you could overtly egg someone to kill the other and society would approve, but it's still bad. Sad all around.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 24, 2020 23:42:33 GMT -5
Cause of death via ingestion of hydrogen sulfide. I think that's a pesticide? So she self harmed, posted the pictures to Twitter, and then ingested that? Man imagine how painful her last few hours had to have been if that's the case... that's just unfathomable pain she was surely in and it breaks my heart.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 24, 2020 23:53:07 GMT -5
Cause of death via ingestion of hydrogen sulfide. I think that's a pesticide? So she self harmed, posted the pictures to Twitter, and then ingested that? Man imagine how painful her last few hours had to have been if that's the case... that's just unfathomable pain she was surely in and it breaks my heart. A quick Google search produced this information: f***, that's horrible.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2020 0:10:12 GMT -5
So she self harmed, posted the pictures to Twitter, and then ingested that? Man imagine how painful her last few hours had to have been if that's the case... that's just unfathomable pain she was surely in and it breaks my heart. A quick Google search produced this information: f***, that's horrible. For whatever small comfort it may be worth, Wikipedia describes this: If - and that's only *IF* - she gave herself a strong enough dose, she very likely passed out and never felt it. Hydrogen sulfide has become something of a "go-to" in Japan for suicide. There was a mass wave of fatalities there a little over a decade ago using the chemical.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 25, 2020 9:39:25 GMT -5
My god, hearing about the possibly effects and the pain that she went through from her chosen method of suicide is even more heart-breaking.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 25, 2020 9:58:11 GMT -5
This just gets sadder and sadder. My heart’s broken over all of this.
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Post by Display Name on May 25, 2020 16:44:32 GMT -5
This just gets sadder and sadder. My heart’s broken over all of this. Agreed. She had her whole f***ing life ahead of her.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 25, 2020 17:26:59 GMT -5
I just read details about how she actually did it and it was f***ing heartbreaking, she even put up a sign at the door that read "Toxic Gas; Do Not Enter" or something to that effect. To borrow a post that I saw on reddit: Even in her last moments, she was thinking of others.
I don't know about Japanese culture, but what are the chances of the people who drove her to this get their faces smashed in in the street? Is it wrong that I want that to happen to them? Show them that their actions have consequences, even if the consequence is in a beating? They honestly deserve it. So if that did happen to them, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2020 17:46:01 GMT -5
I just read details about how she actually did it and it was f***ing heartbreaking, she even put up a sign at the door that read "Toxic Gas; Do Not Enter" or something to that effect. To borrow a post that I saw on reddit: Even in her last moments, she was thinking of others. I don't know about Japanese culture, but what are the chances of the people who drove her to this get their faces smashed in in the street? Hopefully with a brick or a baseball bat. Is it wrong that I want that to happen to them? Show them that their actions have consequences, even if the consequence is in a beating? They honestly deserve it. So if that did happen to them, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Yes, dude, that is wrong. They need justice served of some sort, but that's not it.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 25, 2020 17:54:03 GMT -5
I just read details about how she actually did it and it was f***ing heartbreaking, she even put up a sign at the door that read "Toxic Gas; Do Not Enter" or something to that effect. To borrow a post that I saw on reddit: Even in her last moments, she was thinking of others. I don't know about Japanese culture, but what are the chances of the people who drove her to this get their faces smashed in in the street? Hopefully with a brick or a baseball bat. Is it wrong that I want that to happen to them? Show them that their actions have consequences, even if the consequence is in a beating? They honestly deserve it. So if that did happen to them, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Yes, dude, that is wrong. They need justice served of some sort, but that's not it. It just seems really unfair that these people aren't going to face any kind of charges for basically driving someone to take their own life. Why should they just get away with it?
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -5
Yes, dude, that is wrong. They need justice served of some sort, but that's not it. It just seems really unfair that these people aren't going to face any kind of charges for basically driving someone to take their own life. Why should they just get away with it? We live in an unfair world. There are many ways to combat this sort of behavior, ways to curb it, penalize it and legalize the end of it. But retaliatory violence is not the answer. They don't learn from that. That only tells them we're worse than they are.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 25, 2020 18:09:46 GMT -5
It just seems really unfair that these people aren't going to face any kind of charges for basically driving someone to take their own life. Why should they just get away with it? We live in an unfair world. There are many ways to combat this sort of behavior, ways to curb it, penalize it and legalize the end of it. But retaliatory violence is not the answer. They don't learn from that. That only tells them we're worse than they are. Honestly, I've said it before, on this thread, but I don't know how these people aren't just consumed by guilt to the point where they walk into their local police station and say "I drove a girl to suicide", I know that not many people would actively hand themselves in, but I just don't know how people could live with themselves after driving someone to suicide before that person was 23 years old.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 25, 2020 18:32:02 GMT -5
If it's any kind of consulation, this is being used as an impetus to make cyberbullying as a hot topic in Japan and even government officials and a former prime minister have talked about making laws to have consequences for cyberbullies.
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Post by Cyno on May 25, 2020 18:37:19 GMT -5
Everyone involved should be accessories to manslaughter, if not outright murder.
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Post by Malcolm on May 25, 2020 18:40:14 GMT -5
We live in an unfair world. There are many ways to combat this sort of behavior, ways to curb it, penalize it and legalize the end of it. But retaliatory violence is not the answer. They don't learn from that. That only tells them we're worse than they are. Honestly, I've said it before, on this thread, but I don't know how these people aren't just consumed by guilt to the point where they walk into their local police station and say "I drove a girl to suicide", I know that not many people would actively hand themselves in, but I just don't know how people could live with themselves after driving someone to suicide before that person was 23 years old. Because trolls on the internet are generally smug cowards who hide behind anonymity and claim to believe in internet freedom but then scream "disqualify them ref" like Jerry Lawler, outright dox people, and play victim whenever it's THEM on the other end of the abuse. Hell, they're probably wearing her death as a f***ing badge of honor...
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 25, 2020 18:40:36 GMT -5
I would like to apologise for suggesting that the people who drove her to do this being beaten to a pulp, I think just hearing about how she committed suicide really pissed me off about this situation than I was already. But, hopefully, the Japanese government take steps to make sure that nobody is pushed to the place that Hana was ever again.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 25, 2020 18:53:11 GMT -5
It just seems really unfair that these people aren't going to face any kind of charges for basically driving someone to take their own life. Why should they just get away with it? We live in an unfair world. There are many ways to combat this sort of behavior, ways to curb it, penalize it and legalize the end of it. But retaliatory violence is not the answer. They don't learn from that. That only tells them we're worse than they are. I'm no lawyer by any means, but from what I've seen, most laws haven't fully caught up with things like cyberbullying yet. It will often involve different jurisdictions or countries altogether, and it can become an absolute mess to deal with from a legal standpoint. But it's absolutely something that needs to be addressed, and until it does, you're going to see more and more of these rumblings of vigilante justice for tragedies like this one. If people don't feel safe within their own legal system, they're going to lash out to try and bring about some sense of justice, for right or for wrong. I just hope that countries around the world can get their laws in order before that becomes too big of a problem.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 25, 2020 18:59:11 GMT -5
On top of everything else, she had a kitten too. Hope it’s taken care of after losing Hana.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 25, 2020 19:02:15 GMT -5
Legal action against cyberbullying in Japan (well, anywhere) can be difficult. As I said earlier, to my understanding over here the family of the deceased has to initiate it. Obviously I dunno anything, but Rossy recently stated that he had consulted with both Hana's family and Chigusa Nagayo and are considering legal action. Completely unrelated but her manjigatame and other stretches were so good. On top of everything else, she had a kitten too. Hope it’s taken care of after losing Hana. She dropped it off in a basket to the Stardom front office sometime before she passed. It's currently being taken care of at the Stardom dorm.
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