lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on May 23, 2020 21:23:30 GMT -5
I highly disagree with your statement they get the same kind of messages Hana gets as well. Maybe not on her level but they do get harassed as well. Whether or not theyre lashing out is justified you have to admit that a lot of wrestlers get a lot of hate filled messages just because fans dont like them and it needs to end She was getting hundreds of death threats daily to the point she cut her wrists. its not the same. Yeah it is. A death threat or one mean comment can push someone to depression or some sort of feeling. I think its what a lot of people are missing from my arguement. You dont know what a persons threshold is for this. Just because they arent showing it on the surface doesnt mean theyre not feeling it. I think this should push us to conversate on how we criticize wrestlers and how our mean comments towards human beings can affect them.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 23, 2020 23:06:06 GMT -5
Pro Wrestling EVE uploaded the match she had with Sammi Jayne when she debuted for the promotion.
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chrom
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2020 23:17:02 GMT -5
Hikaru Shida and AEW paid tribute to her tonight
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 23:25:52 GMT -5
ROH posted the women's match from MSG to YouTube, as well:
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Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on May 23, 2020 23:28:43 GMT -5
The depressing truth is, if you're the kind of person who would bully someone online like this, their suicide is not going to be a wake-up call, because you already have a number of cognitive defenses to keep from feeling guilt about what you do. If anything, it'll increase your cruelty, because it'll just strengthen your justification that emotionally weak people shouldn't call attention to themselves, or whatever bullshit you're using. Cognitive dissonance has changed schadenfreude from entertainment into a moral good for a lot of people, and it's terrifying. Yep. I know from experience. One dude harrassed me on DeviantArt for disagreeing with a stamp he made. I think it was a "Meg Griffin is overrated" stamp. He kept harrassing me even after I apologized, calling me a hypocrite for not "respecting his opinions", even though he has harrassed several other DA users to the point of them leaving and deleting their accounts, called people fanbrats and outright slurs, and telling people to kill themselves, all because they quote unquote "take cartoons seriously"(all while ignoring the blatant hypocrisy of obsessively stalking people over criticizing cartoons. Btw, did I mention he was a MysteriousMrEnter hater? An obsessive one at that. Can you say irony?) I haven't replied to him in years yet he still tries to harass me into deleting to the point of spamming a picture of a horse's anus on my profile. I think he even called my grandfather passing away "karma". For being "mean" to him. And he still hasn't been banned as far as I know. I know because I've reported him 5 times, but they never do anything. Why? Because "it's the internet". From my experience, these kinds of people are sociopaths who justify this bullshit with "Darwinism" or "survival of the fittest", or "if they kill themselves over mean words they DESERVE it" or "welcome to the internet". Sorry, but when you obsessively harass someone over something to the point of them taking their own lives, they're not the problem. YOU are.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on May 24, 2020 3:25:56 GMT -5
Sad to hear. People should be kinder to each other online.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 24, 2020 3:49:44 GMT -5
I had no idea until I saw the graphic on Double or Nothing. It took the wind out of my sails as it was a shock, and then to read about why it happened hurts even more.
She had such a bright future ahead of her.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2020 4:26:17 GMT -5
There’s a bunch of people trying to make the issues surrounding it about them or the places they work for or whatever and it’s really bugging me to say the least.
This isn’t about defending where you are from criticism, it’s about people in general, fans and wrestlers, being better human beings to each other and the sources that might try and influence that for viewership and subscriptions. Nothing else.
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Post by Long A, Short A on May 24, 2020 5:10:59 GMT -5
Sad to hear. People should be kinder to each other online. Someone said something similar on the Youtue comments for Smackdown-a-wei and it just tore me up inside. I still don't know why. I just want the best for her loved ones.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 24, 2020 6:02:08 GMT -5
This reached “wrestling news my parents have heard about” level, and my dad asked me about it.
And of course he couldn’t help make a comment like “I guess they just couldn’t handle it” and “why don’t they just stay off the internet”
I don’t know you f***ing asshole, but do you not remember me having have issues with depression and suicide in high school? How about switching off the ignorant anger porn TV and having a little empathy?
Argh.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 6:16:44 GMT -5
This one hit me hard. I cant say I followed Stardom closely but I loved what I did she. But the fact we have a 22 year old, insanely talented and charismatic, take their own life is a tragedy beyond words.
I feel its important to note that to blame this on social media alone is an oversimplification. There are a number of things that factor into this and we never know what people are struggling with behind their public image or even how they present with friends or family. Mental health is a throughly complex thing. That said, obviously it's a major factor in this and people treating anyone the way they were clearly treating her is reprehensible.
Be kind people.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 24, 2020 7:30:20 GMT -5
Couple of items making the rounds in the wake of all this. One is Will Ospreay sharing a memory of Hana, one that seems very much in line with how other people are describing her: I also saw Session Moth tweeting about it, pointing out how Hana's desire to work on her English would lead to her often being first in the locker room to greet the new gaijins, and just how sweet she was when doing so, and how it also further cemented her growing role as a leader on the Stardom roster. Then there was this, of course: Hana's first title win...the DDT Heavymetal Openweight title, back in 2005 when she was 8 years old. ...pretty sure she lost the belt a few minutes later when her mom pinned her. It's a good time for sharing positive memories, so I hope there are more.
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thehottag
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Post by thehottag on May 24, 2020 8:23:36 GMT -5
Every single death like this is a tragedy. To think that someone's last moments on this earth are so lonely & sad is painfully heartbreaking.
Hana's death was being reported on BBC News last night, & I was reading the article as well as on here. I was thinking of how anyone could feel good being so hateful towards another person. Then, literally seconds later, the news started to report on what the newspaper front pages would be tomorrow. And I instinctively thought "ah good, I hope they really go after [name redacted for political reasons]".
It was then I stopped & realised how easy it is to fall into this mob mentality. I know it's not quite the same, as I wouldn't go & send abusive messages to them, but I have to be honest & say that I was hoping the newspaper were going to tear them to pieces. I was actively looking forward to it, & honestly, it made me realise how easy it is to justify this behaviour - "they deserve it", "they should be held accountable", etc. Within reason, yes, but not by abuse.
I also had someone I know reply with the usual "who the hell are they?", as if somehow that makes a difference. A human being is gone, one who will never exist again. They had unique hopes & dreams & thoughts & feelings & experiences, which no amount of money can ever bring back. I am a part of humanity, & so a human less makes me the less, as it does for everyone.
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Post by sunnytaker on May 24, 2020 9:12:42 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous?? and to flip that around on them "imagine the harm the people critizing her have done to her family by driving her to a point where she took her life." but they'll never see it that way because it might reflect badly on them and/or require some level of self-awareness
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on May 24, 2020 9:48:41 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous?? They are in front of a computer screen/phone and not an actual person.
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lionheart21
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Post by lionheart21 on May 24, 2020 10:51:49 GMT -5
Her mom tweeted about this: Rough translation: "Kimura Hana Who supported me, who helped me, who loved me I'm sorry I can't protect you I'm sorry for making you feel painful Because you are spicy and the flowers are spicy, please keep in mind the happy and energetic flowers. I ’ll be stronger to shape what the flower wanted to convey."
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Phil Parent
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Post by Phil Parent on May 24, 2020 12:29:46 GMT -5
Cause of death via ingestion of hydrogen sulfide.
I think that's a pesticide?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 16:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 24, 2020 17:17:21 GMT -5
Cause of death via ingestion of hydrogen sulfide. I think that's a pesticide? My god. That's f***ing horrible; I just hope that she didn't suffer.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 24, 2020 17:41:01 GMT -5
Ok until this thread I had no idea who she was.
A quick internet search later and I'm heartbroken.
A young, talented, beautiful girl just gone.
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