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Post by Display Name on May 23, 2020 15:20:54 GMT -5
I’m still depressed about this. It’s been a long time since a wrestlers death has hit me like this. Hana was destined to do it all. f***! f***! f***!
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Post by Dub H on May 23, 2020 15:22:38 GMT -5
This is the toughest wrestling death for me in a long time. She just worked MSG last year and got over in front of a crowd that was largely unfamiliar with her. At the beginning of this year she was in the first women's match in the Tokyo Dome in several years. It looked as if she would become an even bigger star through Terrace House. Now she's gone. I thought she was going to become a huge international star. evrything about it is awful, she was young,a good person, seeming ready to take off. And she suffered and died like this,not an accident or something from years of bad life decision, but from the cold and evil that people have in then.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
I said this in the Shad thread, but it's kind of hard for me get over how in one week Shad's death has shown us some of the best of humanity, an imperiled father valuing his son's safety over his own life, while Hana's death is a window into the worst we can do as a species, ignoring the humanity of others and treating them as disposable commodities here for our amusement and arousal.
We're lucky to be living in an era where pro wrestlers aren't dying as rapidly as they used to: substance abuse still exists in the industry, but we're not seeing the toxic stew of cocaine, steroids, booze, painkillers, etc. leading to deaths as frequently as it once did.
But this week, we instead get two wrestlers taken way before their time, Shad as he was scaling back and getting deeper into other interests, Hana as she was poised for international fame, and in such stark, opposite ways.
I don't have something deeper to it than that, but yeah: the best and the worst of humanity in one tragic week.
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Post by Dub H on May 23, 2020 15:38:45 GMT -5
Sorry but dont compare the country-wide harassment campaign Hana got to people not liking how Seth/Bray speak to fans or dont like storylines in twitter spats,that is really disrespectful,even if I know you dont mean to. I highly disagree with your statement they get the same kind of messages Hana gets as well. Maybe not on her level but they do get harassed as well. Whether or not theyre lashing out is justified you have to admit that a lot of wrestlers get a lot of hate filled messages just because fans dont like them and it needs to end She was getting hundreds of death threats daily to the point she cut her wrists. its not the same.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 23, 2020 17:18:08 GMT -5
I highly disagree with your statement they get the same kind of messages Hana gets as well. Maybe not on her level but they do get harassed as well. Whether or not theyre lashing out is justified you have to admit that a lot of wrestlers get a lot of hate filled messages just because fans dont like them and it needs to end She was getting hundreds of death threats daily to the point she cut her wrists. its not the same. Holy shit! No wonder things ended the way they did? Like, I hope that didn't sound heartless, but I don't know how long people could put up with getting that much shit. She didn't deserve to have that happen to her.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 23, 2020 17:22:39 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous??
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 17:26:10 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous?? The vast, vast majority of wrestling reddit is in mourning over this and furious at the type of fandom that can lead to this type of outcome, with most people who're saying things critical of Hana, the victim in this situation, getting downvoted pretty damn hard.
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 23, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous?? The vast, vast majority of wrestling reddit is in mourning over this and furious at the type of fandom that can lead to this type of outcome, with most people who're saying things critical of Hana, the victim in this situation, getting downvoted pretty damn hard. That's true, the positive outweighs the negative, as sad as it is to have two wrestler deaths in the same week, I'll always give SquaredCircle credit for how they conduct themselves after a wrestler passes, it's genuinely respectful to see people talk about favourite moments of a recently departed wrestler. It's just a shame that it often takes the passing of a wrestler for that type of reaction.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 23, 2020 17:36:14 GMT -5
F***. I posted earlier, but I wanna do a more detailed comment.
This really sucks. I wasn’t super familiar with Hana, only saw a few of her matches, but this has been an absolute gutpunch. Here’s a girl, with amazing talents, who would’ve gotten incredible opportunities in many different things and she got pushed to this by pieces of shit. This is just ****ing awful
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 23, 2020 17:36:16 GMT -5
I hate to sidetrack the thread, but....
I just read the FB of a person who apparently bothered Bobby Fulton and his son on social (included vandalizing his Wiki page), and he is posting how sad this was and how cyberbullying should stop. Never mind he pulled it on Bobby, and he's just one example. And not the only hypocrite out there, unfortunately. Must mind my FAN gag order, and that's all I'll say about that.
If I had no good reasons to be cynical, maybe I would have given their change the benefit of the doubt, but.....
I'm sorry, but that makes me almost just as mad.
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2020 17:36:50 GMT -5
I just saw a comment on reddit about how she "Killed herself because of social media trolls" and how "Imagine the harm that she's done to her family by taking her life just because of some criticism." you know? What is it about some members of the IWC that makes them so f***ing callous?? I'd give my thoughts over what should happen to these jackasses, but I'd probably be banned if I did.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 23, 2020 17:38:02 GMT -5
The depressing truth is, if you're the kind of person who would bully someone online like this, their suicide is not going to be a wake-up call, because you already have a number of cognitive defenses to keep from feeling guilt about what you do. If anything, it'll increase your cruelty, because it'll just strengthen your justification that emotionally weak people shouldn't call attention to themselves, or whatever bullshit you're using. Cognitive dissonance has changed schadenfreude from entertainment into a moral good for a lot of people, and it's terrifying. IKR. The really sad thing is nothing probably will change. Bullies will still bully and unfortunately prosper. Every time I think there'll be a wakeup call (a lesser incident here would be "Go Be A Fan"-gate), I am usually disappointed. I mean, god, a bunch of glorified cyberbullies will get the movie they wanted on HBO Go, no?
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 23, 2020 17:44:49 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on May 23, 2020 17:50:59 GMT -5
Such a horrible thing. I hope she is at peace now.
For the trolls .. f*** them, they never deserve happiness again. If I could do absolutely anything, I would make it Law they would have to forcibly confess to literally everyone they meet that their behaviour caused a promising young life to be cut short, they should go through the rest of their lives letting everybody know they are awful people.
RIP Hana
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Post by Malcolm on May 23, 2020 18:01:39 GMT -5
This isn't meant to be a joke reply because I genuinely feel this way. I can't think of too many good things reality TV has given us, but I can think of a bunch of things reality TV has taken away from us. Just wish it wasn't a person this time.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 18:16:09 GMT -5
Rest easy Kimura. I hate to sidetrack the thread, but.... I just read the FB of a person who apparently bothered Bobby Fulton and his son on social (included vandalizing his Wiki page), and he is posting how sad this was and how cyberbullying should stop. Never mind he pulled it on Bobby, and he's just one example. And not the only hypocrite out there, unfortunately. If I had no good reasons to be cynical, maybe I would have given their change the benefit of the doubt, but..... I'm sorry, but that makes me almost just as mad. Tessa Blanchard is bemoaning "how cruel people can be," too.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 18:19:31 GMT -5
Observer Radio spent a good deal of time today looking back on Hana's career and thinking what might have been:
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 23, 2020 18:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2020 18:30:50 GMT -5
This might be the most painful wrestling death to me.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 23, 2020 21:03:32 GMT -5
She was incredibly charismatic and charming and in time could have been a top star in any company,but even if she wasn't this is still so heartbreaking to hear about someone being bullied and driven to death so young.
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