Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 23, 2020 4:02:22 GMT -5
This isn’t overshadowing the abuse she got on social media, because that’s an area that has been neglected by the owners of those websites, but can I also say F*** the producers of Terrace House for basically editing the footage to make her look bad for drama and helping set off the chain of events as well? Like, the UK just dealt with an entire scandal where one show caused the suicide of two people during a nine year run, the last one causing it to be cancelled, and another show caused three in a shorter space of time? We just had a "The Story of Soaps" special on ABC, and they talk about how people now crave reality TV, and that it can sometimes be stranger than fiction and that's where we get these shows like Terrace House, but the issue is, it's where we also get these money and drama hungry creators that want to glorify people for storylines and ratings and make them charicatures of their actual selves, and with that, rabid fans who cannot differenciate what is truth and what is meant for the purpose of entertainment in their "reality tv". The people involved are usually not hiding behind characters or fake aliases, so the brutality of bullying and overall harrassment at this point are at all time highs in what some may face being on social media period, and these are extreme detriments to social media and reality television as a whole. This is something that needs to be addressed, because it's only doing more harm than good. Nobody should be losing their lives over the most trivial of nonsense.
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Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on May 23, 2020 4:11:28 GMT -5
I met Hana at an EVE show in 2018 where she wrestled Sammii Jayne (Meiko Satomura vs. Toni Storm was on the same show), and she was so happy and lovely with everyone. The gaijin who worked with her only had love for her - from most accounts, she had the best English of the native roster. At just 22, she had already wrestled at Madison Square Garden and the Tokyo Dome.
A lot of what happened here is due to the Idol culture in certain Asian countries, it's also led to untimely deaths in the K-Pop community. It's a very toxic environment. People should be ashamed at what their actions triggered. It's not the first time (the likes of August Ames and Caroline Flack come to mind in the last couple of years), and sadly I don't think it will be the last time.
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Post by Spider2024 on May 23, 2020 4:36:44 GMT -5
I don't think I can breathe. And I thought Shad's death was tough to deal with, but... dammit. Made this gif about a year ago, and... this is pretty much what 2020 is doing to all of us:
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 23, 2020 4:40:44 GMT -5
This makes me so sad, I can't find the right words
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chrom
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2020 4:42:12 GMT -5
Can't we get a redo on this blasted year?
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 23, 2020 4:54:03 GMT -5
in case the translator doesn't work she put
Hana-chan. I lost an important irreplaceable companion. There is a hole in my mind and it is difficult to accept this reality now.
edit, just put up another Tweet, clearly hitting her hard (who can blame her)
translation just in case
I was able to notice her tweet right away because it was afternoon in the United States by the time difference (midnight in Japan time) and I called Jungle Screamer and Rossi Ogawa with Io immediately. Kyona went with all her might. However… I didn't make it in time
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chrom
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Post by chrom on May 23, 2020 4:58:38 GMT -5
It's all too common of a story away from TV cameras, to be honest. You're right. It's not just twitter, either. There is an issue with social media and how it affects our mental health. And the creators and owners of said social media sites don't care and are too busy counting the billions they made off it to see how much of a cesspool and swamp the places have become. The worst in humanity has been shown thanks to it. Just this week as well people were attacking others over a Sailor Moon redraw challenge. My sister keeps wanting me to get on there and this is why I refuse
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 23, 2020 5:18:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry for posting too much. I've seen trolls celebrating online and it makes me want to harm people.
As you may know, I live in Japan. I won't pretend to have known Hana or anything like that, but I had talked to her before. When I went to Korakuen or Shin-Kiba she would recognize me in the halls or outside and wave to me. I'll always remember her as being someone who loved her fans and would stay behind late to greet all the children who looked up to her. There's a somewhat famous fan, an elementary school-age girl, who dreaded her hair, cosplayed as Hana at every show, and would attend all the open training sessions. She asked Stardom and Rossy to make her a wrestler so she could be like Hana. She made a post on Twitter in response, obviously heartbroken, and ended it with "I hate adults."
I don't think I can agree more.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 23, 2020 5:18:26 GMT -5
RIP
Since they're now part of the same conglomerate, New Japan had a Toru Yano birthday bash planned to stream today but postponed it with no new date, no doubt due to this tragedy.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 23, 2020 5:22:06 GMT -5
RIP Since they're now part of the same conglomerate, New Japan had a Toru Yano birthday bash planned to stream today but postponed it with no new date, no doubt due to this tragedy. DDT is canceling stuff as well. This is shocking the entire industry in Japan. Today's Ice Ribbon started with a memorial from Tsukka, Tsukushi, and Maya. Ice Ribbon loathes Stardom and consciously pretends they don't exist. Everyone is suffering together on this one.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 5:31:17 GMT -5
I just got back from taking the dog out and saw this news at about 6am EST. I’m at a complete loss for words. I’m admittedly only a casual Stardom fan, wanted to subscribe to Stardom World when regular shows started up again, but even with my limited exposure, including getting to see Stardom last year both in Queens and at MSG during WM weekend, there was never any denying the sheer presence of Hana Kimura.
And now she’s gone. Worse, in fact: she was taken from us, from the entire wrestling world.
You see someone like Hana in a wrestling ring and all you can think is how bright her future’s going to be: charismatic, talented, beautiful, carrying herself like a star, all at an age when most people are just graduating college and trying to get their life in order. By all accounts she was also a sweet person: I’m seeing people discuss just knowing her indirectly, like through other people in the industry, and she’d still reach and, for example, send their kids Christmas gifts just for being near her social circle.
And then there’s the impact she was having on female fan interest in pro wrestling: far, far too much of joshi wrestling today only manages to draw in male fans, nowhere near the 60/40 gender split NJPW’s been proud to trumpet, yet Hana was bringing in and directly appealing to women and young girls, and again by all accounts that meant a lot to her.
There’s no words strong enough for the kind of awfulness someone like that would have to face on things like social media platforms: from a likely endless procession of creepy types who would give her the J-pop idol treatment where they feel they have ownership of her, to reality TV fans who think they have a right to judge her as a person outside the confines of a selectively edited TV show. Toxic fandom is real, and it’s horrifying. It exists everywhere, but I admit the mainstreaming of it in places like Japan and Korea, through things like idol culture and expecting public apologies for what someone does in their private life, takes it to another level.
I hope like hell this story goes mainstream, both to drive home the potential star, and much more importantly the good hearted, actual human being, who was taken so young by all of this, as well as to shine a light on the vile mixture of voyeurism, selfishness, and possessiveness that went after, harassed, or sought to otherwise possess and control a 22 year old woman who was making a positive impact on the world and the profession she worked so hard in. Maybe, just maybe, doing so can get someone to think twice before sending that message or tweet that ignores another’s humanity, or otherwise treats them like a mere commodity, to be owned, toyed with, and discarded.
Goodbye, Hana: the wrestling world is far worse off without you. If there’s something beyond this life, then hopefully it’s a peaceful, accepting kind of place.
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J. Hova
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Post by J. Hova on May 23, 2020 5:43:23 GMT -5
So I just barely knew of her as I'm not really into the whole scene she was in. It's terrible anytime anyone does this. I hope her family and friends can find peace and solace.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 23, 2020 6:00:16 GMT -5
So I just barely knew of her as I'm not really into the whole scene she was in. It's terrible anytime anyone does this. I hope her family and friends can find peace and solace. I’m in the same boat, I’m only passingly familiar with her due to just not having the time to follow Joshi scene closely, but I had seen the first few posts yesterday. Didn’t see anything else until just now, and my heart sank. Such a tragic ending, she didn’t deserve any of this.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 23, 2020 6:10:12 GMT -5
This is the worst news. Just 22. Her future looked so bright. Had so much talent and charisma. Grew up in wrestling. Her mother Kyoko Kimura would bring her to shows when she was a little girl, and Hana would sell her mom's photos. Kyoko Kimura retired shortly after Hana started out. When fans approached Kyoko Kimura for autographs, she would direct then to get autographs of Hana as it was her time now. Hana got to work in Madison Square Garden last year. She had minimal exposure in the US, yet she got over in the sold out building.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 6:19:57 GMT -5
Very sad, it has little to do with culture I feel, I can think of similar cases in multiple countries. Although in all it appears to be women who are disproportionately affected which needs a bit of looking at and some self refection by fandoms.
The next time someone outrages you and you decide they need to be "cancelled" please remember its another human being no matter what they've done and if you can't do that at least show a little critical thinking...maybe whatever upset you was selectively edited, or the evidence it happened is flimsy or maybe it went down exactly as you thought but everyone messes up now and then and whats it to do with you anyway?
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 23, 2020 6:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by hassanchop on May 23, 2020 6:30:06 GMT -5
The timing couldn’t be worse. May 23 marks 21 years since Owen died. Combined with that episode of Dark Side Of the Ring, Shad Gaspard’s death, this week sucks to be a wrestling fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 6:34:04 GMT -5
sometimes the darkness gets you and you’re gone when no one thought it possible
rest easy hana
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Post by bearned on May 23, 2020 6:34:16 GMT -5
Unbelievably sad. I can’t say I knew much about her before I saw her on Terrace House but on the show I thought she was a lovely sweet person. It’s absolutely disgusting that she had to put up with what she did. Horrible
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2020 6:40:20 GMT -5
Very sad, it has little to do with culture I feel, I can think of similar cases in multiple countries. Although in all it appears to be women who are disproportionately affected which needs a bit of looking at and some self refection by fandoms. The next time someone outrages you and you decide they need to be "cancelled" please remember its another human being no matter what they've done and if you can't do that at least show a little critical thinking...maybe whatever upset you was selectively edited, or the evidence it happened is flimsy or maybe it went down exactly as you thought but everyone messes up now and then and whats it to do with you anyway? Sadly I don't think it has much to do with "canceling"; it has to do with entitled fandom, that sense that "these tiny people on my TV/computer/phone screen are here to amuse me/entertain men/arouse me, their lives have no meaning beyond that role to me." Or, in a different yet somehow even more entitled sense, "this person entertains me, thus I am justified in being obsessive about them and will become furious if they ever deviate from the overly simplistic mental image I have of them and force me to confront that they are complicated, three-dimensional human beings." I certainly don't mean to single out Japanese culture for this; as you say, this is an international problem, and we've seen plenty of examples of people being bullied to literal death in the west for simply daring to upload a "cringy" (God, I loathe that word now) YouTube video, let alone be in the public eye in some way. But I do think there's a particular issue in Japan (and Korea, given K-pop) when it comes to that feeling of fan "ownership" of celebrities, particularly idols, the kind of thing that leads to public apologies and sometimes even head shavings for anything from infidelity to even just having a boy/girlfriend, etc., as if the fans are owed anything from that person besides the music/acting/wrestling/etc. they do for a living. Again, not at all exclusive to one culture, but just seems more out in the open and generally taken as a fact of life more in some places than others.
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