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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 6, 2020 12:45:11 GMT -5
I was thinking about how certain guys jobbed all the time, and are still eternally beloved and considered some of the best all time. Ric Flair, Harley Race, Terry Funk, Cactus Jack.
I understood protecting someone like Andre the Giant, but Hulk Hogan? Why did he constantly refuse to put people over? Is it just ego?
I also think about the Japanese concept of protecting certain guys. Stan Hansen and Steve Williams refusing to ever job when working the US. I know Inoki didn't lose for years until he wanted to put Vader over.
Wrestling began with everyone jobbing. Two out of three falls, someone always jobbed in every match. Thesz jobbed. Buddy Rogers jobbed. The NY Yankees jobbed. The Bulls jobbed.
Who and when did this concept of "Im never jobbing to anyone," become a thing? Was it the eternal Bruno title run? Was it someone in Japan?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 12:51:32 GMT -5
Mil Mascaras...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 12:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jun 6, 2020 12:52:59 GMT -5
In the case of Hogan, he was something else. He was their Superman to the army of kids and families who were fans and giving the WWF they're hard earned cash. Superman wouldn't be much of a hero if he got beaten a lot.
Now granted, a hero who never loses or gets beat and looks invincible all the time would be dull, but Hogan did sell for his openents before making his big come back and defeating them. Guess instead of having a series of matches were the good guy wins in the last one, Hogan condensed it all into one match...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 12:54:06 GMT -5
Hogan would job when Vince told him. Pretty much everybody, except Mil Mascaras who would not only refuse to lose but he also refuse to sell moves.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 6, 2020 13:23:52 GMT -5
Hogan would job when Vince told him. Pretty much everybody, except Mil Mascaras who would not only refuse to lose but he also refuse to sell moves. I saw a match on YouTube with Mascaras and Kalisto before he signed with WWE. Mascaras dominated the entire match without selling, as you said, and won.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 13:32:07 GMT -5
Hogan would job when Vince told him. Pretty much everybody, except Mil Mascaras who would not only refuse to lose but he also refuse to sell moves. I saw a match on YouTube with Mascaras and Kalisto before he signed with WWE. Mascaras dominated the entire match without selling, as you said, and won. Lol a man in his seventies refusing to look week even for a second in a fake sport.
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Post by XIII on Jun 6, 2020 13:48:23 GMT -5
I always laughed my ass off at those Hansen/Brody v. Mil/Dos Caras tag matches because it was either going to be a double count out or Dos Caras was getting pinned.
As for the question itself: back in the 80s some guys made more money in Japan and they knew that their US matches would reported on so they wouldn’t lose their aura and that fat payday. A guy like Hogan or Bruno needs to win more often than lose to keep their aura. It’s a huge problem now where everyone is 50-50 booked at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 13:58:50 GMT -5
Roddy Piper rarely jobbed. That's why it was such a big deal when Bret beat him.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 6, 2020 14:33:28 GMT -5
I always laughed my ass off at those Hansen/Brody v. Mil/Dos Caras tag matches because it was either going to be a double count out or Dos Caras was getting pinned. As for the question itself: back in the 80s some guys made more money in Japan and they knew that their US matches would reported on so they wouldn’t lose their aura and that fat payday. A guy like Hogan or Bruno needs to win more often than lose to keep their aura. It’s a huge problem now where everyone is 50-50 booked at the top. Dos Caras, the only sane guy of that wrestling family (as far as I know).
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 6, 2020 14:47:24 GMT -5
Goldberg didn't even follow the script!
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 6, 2020 15:28:04 GMT -5
Why would you have your babyface champion do clean jobs? Austin didn't do clean jobs, Rock didn't do many either. That's not the way WWE booked.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 6, 2020 15:32:58 GMT -5
Sure you can find some exceptions for pretty much anybody, but Piper for the most part would not job.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 15:51:03 GMT -5
Sure you can find some exceptions for pretty much anybody, but Piper for the most part would not job. He explained that he didn’t jobbed because back then you worked without a contract and Piper believed that Vince could get rid of him anytime after losing. Hell Vince let him get away with it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 6, 2020 16:12:06 GMT -5
Hacksaw Jim Duggan - Brawl to the back
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 6, 2020 16:16:14 GMT -5
I prefer no jobs to 50/50 booking.
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Post by Rave on Jun 6, 2020 17:32:14 GMT -5
PAC had a long span of time last year where he would not job. Either it was him winning, a draw, or some kinda screwball crap. It got very irritating.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jun 6, 2020 17:35:40 GMT -5
Didn't Onita have this issue during the NJPW/FMW feud, and it ended up being one of the reasons Chono and Muto fell out of favor with Inoki?
Of course, Inoki was the king of this shit.
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Post by horseface on Jun 6, 2020 17:43:13 GMT -5
I've read Backlund was like this
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 6, 2020 17:52:00 GMT -5
Roddy Piper rarely jobbed. That's why it was such a big deal when Bret beat him. He also never wanted titles, because then the promoter had a sliver of advantage on him. If he didn’t have the title, he felt he had all the power.
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