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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 7, 2020 7:12:58 GMT -5
It did end up paying off for him with the WCW gig, where the whole draw of it was "Hogan never could get one over on Piper, can he now?" I wonder if the Warrior feud, as bad as it was anyway, also was hurt by being basically a redo of that. Yea, pretty much. It's a good hook but it is basically at the end of the day Hogan getting his W's back from opponents of his past. If he could have dragged Yokozuna out there and think it would draw money he would have Him and Roddy ended up doing well initially but those BS finishes hurt that and then the matches became bad. Warrior/Hogan in WCW was just bad From all reports he tried to get Yokozuna into WCW but by that point he couldn't get licensed. And Hogan didn't care about if it would draw money, he got paid either way.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 7, 2020 7:54:23 GMT -5
Yea, pretty much. It's a good hook but it is basically at the end of the day Hogan getting his W's back from opponents of his past. If he could have dragged Yokozuna out there and think it would draw money he would have Him and Roddy ended up doing well initially but those BS finishes hurt that and then the matches became bad. Warrior/Hogan in WCW was just bad From all reports he tried to get Yokozuna into WCW but by that point he couldn't get licensed. And Hogan didn't care about if it would draw money, he got paid either way. Yea, he got paid anyway but didn’t he also get a cut of the PPV buys. When business is down, Hulk can point to his numbers which is what he did when his contract ran out and was going for a new deal
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 7, 2020 7:59:58 GMT -5
From all reports he tried to get Yokozuna into WCW but by that point he couldn't get licensed. And Hogan didn't care about if it would draw money, he got paid either way. Yea, he got paid anyway but didn’t he also get a cut of the PPV buys. When business is down, Hulk can point to his numbers which is what he did when his contract ran out and was going for a new deal Yeah I was referring to him bringing someone in to get his win back. He didn't care if that drew if it satiated his ego.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 7, 2020 9:28:23 GMT -5
Why would you have your babyface champion do clean jobs? Austin didn't do clean jobs, Rock didn't do many either. That's not the way WWE booked. To put someone over. To make the next guy. To give someone your rub. To make money with a new guy. To make a heel look invincible for a payoff down the line. There a ton of good reasons for a babyface champion to job clean. It's not a bad thing to protect a babyface champion, and my original question wasn't about babyface champions, or WWF booking. Im asking when did the idea that a wrestler can not job for any reason first become a thing. But Hogan et.al. did jobs from time to time. They weren't clean, because the heel needs to cheat somehow to remain a heel (an invincible heel is a babyface) but they happened. Now was it all the time? No, because then the top guys would be geeks. When did the idea of protecting yourself or a promoter protecting their top draw become a thing? Probably the turn of the 20th century.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 7, 2020 10:22:42 GMT -5
Another Mil Mascaras story. At seventy years old he was booked in a handicap match, he ended up beating both guys.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Jun 7, 2020 12:14:54 GMT -5
HBK et al not mentioned yet? I know he grew up and then knew when to put someone over, but man there were times he was unsufferable
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Post by chrom on Jun 7, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5
HBK et al not mentioned yet? I know he grew up and then knew when to put someone over, but man there were times he was unsufferable From 95-96 if he lost a match, it was by either DQ or a tag match where he wasn't the one pinned.
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Post by chrom on Jun 7, 2020 12:17:23 GMT -5
JBL called him a selfish bastard on commentary and Jericho said in a promo to Alberto he hated him. Alberto has said that he based the ADR character off of Mascaras. Explains his career path and subsequent meltdown
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 7, 2020 12:30:24 GMT -5
The really weird thing about Mil is that he was apparently fine with promoters dressing up a jobber in his mask and having them put over someone while implying it was him who lost. I remember Cornette saying they did just that in a promotion he was working.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Jun 7, 2020 14:44:03 GMT -5
HBK et al not mentioned yet? I know he grew up and then knew when to put someone over, but man there were times he was unsufferable From 95-96 if he lost a match, it was by either DQ or a tag match where he wasn't the one pinned. I only remember him getting pinned once during that period (by Vader at International Incident IYH). Twice, if you count WM 11.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 7, 2020 15:17:10 GMT -5
The really weird thing about Mil is that he was apparently fine with promoters dressing up a jobber in his mask and having them put over someone while implying it was him who lost. I remember Cornette saying they did just that in a promotion he was working. Mascaras probably got paid double without even jobbing.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jun 7, 2020 15:31:09 GMT -5
HBK et al not mentioned yet? I know he grew up and then knew when to put someone over, but man there were times he was unsufferable I'm not sure he grew up that much, to be honest. He and Triple H buried quite a few younger wrestlers during the DX reunions, completely trashing the Spirit Squad and beating Mike Knox before turning round and asking who he was, and he was apparently part of the backstage burial of CM Punk and did the same about a few other talents during his 2000s run. The man is still a selfish prick, he just picks and chooses his victims a bit more carefully now.
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