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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 8, 2020 20:52:31 GMT -5
What's a turn that should have happened that never did, that had the opportunity to do big business?
I always think of Great Muta in late 1989. If they had turned him face right before Starrcade, he could have had a big program with either Lex Luger, or even one with Ric Flair after his heel turn. Him being the stand in for Sting after his injury, and an undefeated Muta versus Flair in February of 1990 could have been huge (him not being jobbed out for the ill fated Iron Man tourney). He was probably itching to go back to Japan, but I know there was a classic moment missed out.
How about yours? Any missed opportunities for a turn?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 20:58:20 GMT -5
Cena comes to mind first. Maybe it hurts in some aspects (that kid money), but I think it would have helped a lot in the long run.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 8, 2020 21:05:51 GMT -5
After his return from injury, Buff Bagwell was primed to be one of the biggest things ever for WCW. Yes, he turned face for a 5-minute swerve, but that stupidity is pretty much where everyone gave up on him. Had he and WCW taken it seriously, he would have been their next DDP. Instead, he just went right back to being NWO member #14.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 8, 2020 21:22:34 GMT -5
If I remember, WWE initially resisted turning Daniel Bryan babyface after the Yes! chant got over so much. Instead of going with the grain, they booked him to chant NO! and get mad when the fans chanted YES! Even after he effectively turned babyface with Team Hell No!, he still wasn't allowed to fully embrace the YES! chants (hence why the team name had "No" in it instead of "Yes!"). I don't remember when Daniel Bryan was finally allowed to switch back to embracing the YES!, but it wasn't as soon as you might think.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 8, 2020 21:46:35 GMT -5
You'd think Wayne Bloom always interrupting Mike Enos in interviews would lead to a Destruction Crew breakup in the future. But according to the team themselves, it was never in the cards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:57:35 GMT -5
Cena at WM28.
Man, it would've been perfect.
In front of Rocks home crowd aswell.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jun 8, 2020 22:58:44 GMT -5
Cena when he was the only one who could bring the Authority back and also With Nexus.
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Post by 4real on Jun 9, 2020 3:52:18 GMT -5
Barrett turning face with the Bad News gimic. But no they took the gimic off him and made him an evil King because screw what the fans want.
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Post by celtics543 on Jun 9, 2020 7:32:10 GMT -5
There was a Raw where Randy Orton attacked Dusty Rhodes and Cody was in the ring and the fans were dying for him to turn face. It was during the legacy era and they were chanting his name (which WWE later edited to chants of CENA) but he never did anything other than look conflicted.
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Post by chronocross on Jun 9, 2020 7:34:10 GMT -5
Tyson Tomko in TNA, late 07-early 08. It felt like they were on the brink of turning him face against Kurt Angle and his group, but they never pulled the trigger on it and he never went anywhere.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jun 9, 2020 7:40:39 GMT -5
After his return from injury, Buff Bagwell was primed to be one of the biggest things ever for WCW. Yes, he turned face for a 5-minute swerve, but that stupidity is pretty much where everyone gave up on him. Had he and WCW taken it seriously, he would have been their next DDP. Instead, he just went right back to being NWO member #14. Came here to say that. Crowd was HOT for Buff to fight the nWo. He was wcw homegrown talent and the story of redemption and revenge could have elevated him. But no, they had to swerve and kill what turned out to be his only chance to break out. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 9, 2020 8:32:17 GMT -5
After his return from injury, Buff Bagwell was primed to be one of the biggest things ever for WCW. Yes, he turned face for a 5-minute swerve, but that stupidity is pretty much where everyone gave up on him. Had he and WCW taken it seriously, he would have been their next DDP. Instead, he just went right back to being NWO member #14. Co-signed. They teased his face turn a few times that by the time they actually did, it lost any and all meaning. |
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Post by petef3 on Jun 9, 2020 10:52:58 GMT -5
Mankind turning on the Rock in '99. He proposed it but Vince shot it down thinking Mick wasn't in good enough shape to justify a feud like that, plus Rock's character wasn't budging and accepting of Mankind as a true friend, which he had to do for the turn to work.
Even before I read all about that in Foley Is Good, I was waiting through the This Is Your Life skit with baited breath, expecting/hoping that Mick's final "memory" would be footage of the '99 Rumble and the segment ending with Rock laid out in a pool of his own blood. It's a memorable segment on its own but I always found it overrated for perhaps unfair reasons, but that would have made it an all-time "where were you when...?" segment, particularly since it had amassed such a huge audience already.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 9, 2020 11:02:15 GMT -5
This topic begins and ends with Cena, as soon as they knew in 2005 that it wasn't working. Even 6 months as a heel, which lets him earn goodwill from fans again and also builds up another face.
Hell, there were countless occasions where this could have happened, and it sounds as if Cena would have been up for it too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 9, 2020 12:38:15 GMT -5
This topic begins and ends with Cena, as soon as they knew in 2005 that it wasn't working. Even 6 months as a heel, which lets him earn goodwill from fans again and also builds up another face. Hell, there were countless occasions where this could have happened, and it sounds as if Cena would have been up for it too. What's the definition of not working? That man sold merch, they weren't giving that up |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 9, 2020 13:24:43 GMT -5
This topic begins and ends with Cena, as soon as they knew in 2005 that it wasn't working. Even 6 months as a heel, which lets him earn goodwill from fans again and also builds up another face. Hell, there were countless occasions where this could have happened, and it sounds as if Cena would have been up for it too. What's the definition of not working? That man sold merch, they weren't giving that up Idk its only hypothetical but if you had a compelling show and your top babyface was universally liked then ratings and tickets are sold. Cena did sell alot of merch but after a hell run and good will bought would he have sold to everyone? Would the show as a whole be better? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 9, 2020 13:35:58 GMT -5
What's the definition of not working? That man sold merch, they weren't giving that up Idk its only hypothetical but if you had a compelling show and your top babyface was universally liked then ratings and tickets are sold. Cena did sell alot of merch but after a hell run and good will bought would he have sold to everyone? Would the show as a whole be better? Yea, but it is not like Cena wasn't "THE GUY" The fans anointed him that before WWE changed course before they made him highly generic and preachy. There was nothing wrong with the guy, just the approach and if they changed that then he's back on track imo |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 9, 2020 14:13:15 GMT -5
This topic begins and ends with Cena, as soon as they knew in 2005 that it wasn't working. Even 6 months as a heel, which lets him earn goodwill from fans again and also builds up another face. Hell, there were countless occasions where this could have happened, and it sounds as if Cena would have been up for it too. What's the definition of not working? That man sold merch, they weren't giving that up He was booed in every arena and drove fans away. Hardly indicative of a top face. |
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Post by chronocross on Jun 9, 2020 14:54:45 GMT -5
Mankind turning on the Rock in '99. He proposed it but Vince shot it down thinking Mick wasn't in good enough shape to justify a feud like that, plus Rock's character wasn't budging and accepting of Mankind as a true friend, which he had to do for the turn to work. Even before I read all about that in Foley Is Good, I was waiting through the This Is Your Life skit with baited breath, expecting/hoping that Mick's final "memory" would be footage of the '99 Rumble and the segment ending with Rock laid out in a pool of his own blood. It's a memorable segment on its own but I always found it overrated for perhaps unfair reasons, but that would have made it an all-time "where were you when...?" segment, particularly since it had amassed such a huge audience already. I remember during that time when Foley thought Rock threw away his book where Mick cut a scathing promo on Rock even calling by his real name, where I thought he would turn heel but it never happened. |
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 9, 2020 16:32:09 GMT -5
Luger in 1994, after Bret wound up with the title again. While the Bret-Owen feud played out through the spring and summer, Luger should have been slow-burning before finally losing it and attacking Bret shortly after SummerSlam, claiming he kissed babies and slapped hands to try to be the all-American hero for more than a year and he's sick of it. No Narcissist -- just smug, old-school Luger beating up the guy the fans decided they liked better.
You could even keep Backlund's push intact and have Luger somehow contribute to costing Bret the title at Survivor Series (knocking him out with the forearm before the chicken wing/towel finish). Then you have Bret vs. Luger ready-made for the Rumble (Luger wins) and WrestleMania 11 (Bret wins), with a rubber match at KOTR '95 if you wanted to keep going with it. Putting a heel Luger against Bret really was the best way to get value out of him, and could have done nice business.
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