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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 13, 2020 7:07:20 GMT -5
Know what? At this point I don’t give a damn about how talented she is. Everything else about her is a liability, and were I running a company I wouldn’t touch her. If a wrestler is toxic and has that much of a shitty attitude but just so happens to have a ton of skill, it’s still not worth the risk. It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan.
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Post by Shark on Jun 13, 2020 19:13:31 GMT -5
Know what? At this point I don’t give a damn about how talented she is. Everything else about her is a liability, and were I running a company I wouldn’t touch her. If a wrestler is toxic and has that much of a shitty attitude but just so happens to have a ton of skill, it’s still not worth the risk. It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. This did stand out to me prior to her winning the title. No women were talking about it, not even those in Impact really. I don't recall Taya and Jordynne hyping this up or wishing Tessa luck. None of them showed her support onscreen, i.e. none celebrated with her after she won the title. Gail I think was the only one who did and there's been plenty of fair comments about her hypocrisy regarding all of this. So it really is an indictment about how little Tessa is liked by her peers.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 13, 2020 21:18:33 GMT -5
It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. This did stand out to me prior to her winning the title. No women were talking about it, not even those in Impact really. I don't recall Taya and Jordynne hyping this up or wishing Tessa luck. None of them showed her support onscreen, i.e. none celebrated with her after she won the title. Gail I think was the only one who did and there's been plenty of fair comments about her hypocrisy regarding all of this. So it really is an indictment about how little Tessa is liked by her peers. I get the impression there isn't a great deal of respect for Impact in the wider wrestling business at large, and I'm sure they aren't the first "big" company to have a woman as their top draw, so that may be part of it. Sounds like she is probably a total dick and not really worth the trouble. This is probably still a milestone in terms of treating women as being top draws in a fed with a lot of visibility, they just picked the wrong one. ETA: Although is it really? WWE had a women's triple threat main event Wrestlemania before this? Probably did exponentially more to legitimize them as more than t-n-a performers. Anyways, I'm wasted.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 13, 2020 21:35:27 GMT -5
WWE had a women's triple threat main event Wrestlemania before this? Probably did exponentially more to legitimize them as more than t-n-a performers. Anyways, I'm wasted. That's really the key to why Tessa winning the Impact title, while (in my opinion) executed well enough to be awesome and a perfectly good move for Impact to stand out, isn't much of a boon to women's wrestling. It also ties into one of the reasons Tessa is hated by her peers - one of the stories being that she considered herself "too good" to wrestle women. A solid women's division (which, ironically, Impact absolutely has) does more because it requires the promotion to have enough women to fill it out and showcase it. It's the difference between a booking move that is good for a woman as opposed to being good for women in wrestling. The sense that Tessa got this push because she is a hell of an in-ring performer who maybe didn't actually want to wrestle in an utterly stacked women's division kind of highlights the problems that token intergender pushes pose for women's wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 21:46:27 GMT -5
Know what? At this point I don’t give a damn about how talented she is. Everything else about her is a liability, and were I running a company I wouldn’t touch her. If a wrestler is toxic and has that much of a shitty attitude but just so happens to have a ton of skill, it’s still not worth the risk. It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. As far as televised companies Lucha Underground was the first to put their world title on a woman.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 13, 2020 21:49:32 GMT -5
It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. As far as televised companies Lucha Underground was the first to put their world title on a woman. Oh right, Sexy Star. Well, at least Tessa is somehow the least problematic woman to hold a US based men's title.
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Post by Shark on Jun 13, 2020 23:12:02 GMT -5
This did stand out to me prior to her winning the title. No women were talking about it, not even those in Impact really. I don't recall Taya and Jordynne hyping this up or wishing Tessa luck. None of them showed her support onscreen, i.e. none celebrated with her after she won the title. Gail I think was the only one who did and there's been plenty of fair comments about her hypocrisy regarding all of this. So it really is an indictment about how little Tessa is liked by her peers. I get the impression there isn't a great deal of respect for Impact in the wider wrestling business at large, and I'm sure they aren't the first "big" company to have a woman as their top draw, so that may be part of it. Sounds like she is probably a total dick and not really worth the trouble. This is probably still a milestone in terms of treating women as being top draws in a fed with a lot of visibility, they just picked the wrong one. ETA: Although is it really? WWE had a women's triple threat main event Wrestlemania before this? Probably did exponentially more to legitimize them as more than t-n-a performers. Anyways, I'm wasted. Mania happened before Tessa won the title. By that point, women in WWE had main event Mania, had their own PPV which was one of WWE's best reviewed shows of the year, women had main evented PPVs, competed in HIAC matches and Elimination Chamber matches and Royal Rumbles. Becky was arguably the top draw in WWE
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 13, 2020 23:15:45 GMT -5
As far as televised companies Lucha Underground was the first to put their world title on a woman. Oh right, Sexy Star. Well, at least Tessa is somehow the least problematic woman to hold a US based men's title. Oh man, Star. She makes Tessa look like Charlotte Flair by comparison.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 13, 2020 23:19:16 GMT -5
Haven't seen really anything about this story outside of Fightful, and even that is just rumors.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 14, 2020 0:34:52 GMT -5
This did stand out to me prior to her winning the title. No women were talking about it, not even those in Impact really. I don't recall Taya and Jordynne hyping this up or wishing Tessa luck. None of them showed her support onscreen, i.e. none celebrated with her after she won the title. Gail I think was the only one who did and there's been plenty of fair comments about her hypocrisy regarding all of this. So it really is an indictment about how little Tessa is liked by her peers. I get the impression there isn't a great deal of respect for Impact in the wider wrestling business at large, and I'm sure they aren't the first "big" company to have a woman as their top draw, so that may be part of it. Sounds like she is probably a total dick and not really worth the trouble. This is probably still a milestone in terms of treating women as being top draws in a fed with a lot of visibility, they just picked the wrong one. The most telling thing about all that, is that WOW didn't do anything. And that's a company where Tessa was the focal point, and they'e on the same channel as Impact, a channel owned by Anthem. The only stuff that came from WOW was that report about her having those same issues in WOW and being protected by management, and Razor's tweet.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 14, 2020 0:56:43 GMT -5
I think some of Tessa's reputation is kind of dubious, like the Mae Young Classic story. That said, I do believe she has legitimately behaved like a bully since plenty of reputable women have pointed a finger at her for it, such as Shanna, Priscilla Kelly, etc, and Big Swole corroborating the racial slur incident claims by saying she had attempted to mediate some kind of peace-making between Tessa and the one she dropped the N-bomb on. I don't see a lot of reason for those women to lie about it.
As for what kind of person she is now, I've heard people vouch for her as being a more mature person these days, but her response to being called out didn't impress me, and if she is legitimately shirking her duties by not shooting promos she said she'd shoot, well, that's just lazy. Not going to blame her for getting stuck in Mexico, since plenty of people have been screwed over by the realities of a pandemic, but if she's genuinely slacking off in her duties as champion, that doesn't paint the picture of a mature performer.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 14, 2020 2:01:38 GMT -5
I get if she may not want to leave her fiancé before she has to because of uneasiness of the situation, but not sending in even a mailed-in promo from a video on a phone to the promotion that made her their World Heavyweight Champion is beyond unprofessional. And for the same promotion to put their World Heavyweight Championship on her with all the negative talk about her is not as big a surprise with who it is.
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Post by anglarite on Jun 14, 2020 3:48:16 GMT -5
It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. As far as televised companies Lucha Underground was the first to put their world title on a woman. I think the reason why that had much less of an impact was because LU never had a separate women's division so the titles were never gendered. Ivelisse had a title shot at the start of season 2 and she was also part of the first trios champions.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 14, 2020 5:57:32 GMT -5
It already seems so weird that Impact took the risk of giving Tessa Blanchard the biggest rub they have given a talent in years, possibly ever. They crowned a woman as the men's world champion, which is something that no major company ever has done to my knowledge. Even when WWE had Chyna as a threat to the men's division, she only got as far as the IC title. Yet, unless you were actively following Impact, you would have no idea this happened, because Tessa is such a toxic figure that virtually none of the women's talent outside of Impact talked about it because they just don't like her. If AEW decided to push Kris Statlander to defeat Jon Moxley for the AEW World title, I can guarantee you the individual talent in WWE would definitely be talking publicly about it on their social media even if WWE itself would never publicly acknowledge it. Likewise, if Charlotte Flair won the Universal title, there would be no shortage of wrestling personalities outside of WWE adding their takes on situation and it would probably make mainstream news. It just seems weird that Tessa would snub Impact like this, when there's no other major promotion or locker room guaranteed to want her at all, and there certainly isn't going to be any major promotion that is going to portray her winning decisively against their equivalents of Michael Elgin and Sami Callihan. This did stand out to me prior to her winning the title. No women were talking about it, not even those in Impact really. I don't recall Taya and Jordynne hyping this up or wishing Tessa luck. None of them showed her support onscreen, i.e. none celebrated with her after she won the title. Gail I think was the only one who did and there's been plenty of fair comments about her hypocrisy regarding all of this. So it really is an indictment about how little Tessa is liked by her peers. Jordynne and Tessa are friends outside the ring (or at least were at the time of Tessa winning the title) and Jordynne's tweets that weekend were focused on Tessa's deplorable comments, not the match. It would have been weird to throw a kayfabe congratulation into the middle of trying to defend Tessa against being a racist bully, I guess.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 14, 2020 9:34:53 GMT -5
She's a more problematic female version of Austin Aries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 10:44:54 GMT -5
As far as televised companies Lucha Underground was the first to put their world title on a woman. I think the reason why that had much less of an impact was because LU never had a separate women's division so the titles were never gendered. Ivelisse had a title shot at the start of season 2 and she was also part of the first trios champions. Oh it had a huge impact when the result from the taping leaked out and everyone was freaking the f*** out and every single opinion from...how awesome a televised promotion put their world title on a woman to LU f***ed up they put it on sexy star etc etc But seeing as it only lasted a week and couple it with weeks if not months later the AAA shit with Rosemary happened and it tends to get forgotten unless people are reminded of it. If Angelico was not made out of sugar glass he would have won that title instead of sexy star.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 11:12:51 GMT -5
Some people are saying Tully is an asshole and that's why she is too.
Some people are saying Tully is a nice guy so they are surprised she acts this way.
However you feel about Tully, it's unfair to judge someone either way based on who their parents are. We should judge Tessa based on her actions, not her fathers.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2020 11:54:17 GMT -5
Tully didn't raise her so that's not much of a factor anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 14:17:50 GMT -5
Tully didn't raise her so that's not much of a factor anyway. Nature over nurture.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 14, 2020 14:28:25 GMT -5
Tully didn't raise her so that's not much of a factor anyway. Nature over nurture. Nurture over nature. Checkmate? Stalemate? Let's not go down this road, folks. Her parents, biological or environmental, are not the topic at hand.
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