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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 23:30:26 GMT -5
Oh I get to use this two threads in a row? Jayzus.
Hey guys! Let's Keep giving this shithole money and views! -_-
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jun 16, 2020 0:25:38 GMT -5
NOT DEFENDING VINCEBut the Saudi Government, specifically the royal family, are as big, if not bigger POS that VKM is. I can certainly see them negotiating in bad faith from the outset and not paying the WWE as contracted for the June show. I can also see them holding the damn plane hostage without blinking an eye. There is no babyface here. Heel vs. Heel program all around. The Saudi Royal family is on a level of awful way beyond anything WWE is doing--which is where the "you're only mad about the Saudi deal because you hate Vince" people always had me in stitches--and make any of WWE's worst doings and shadiest dealings seem like child's play. But at the same time, if you're there at the mercy of a government with a high body count who's f***ing you over on deals, maybe don't try to stick it to them? They held the plane hostage because Vince tried to play hardball with them in the worst way, and I don't think getting into this deal was a good idea in the first place, but you have to be a truly reckless idiot to play with the lives of the people who work for you out of stubborn alpha male pride by pulling spite moves while you're still on the ground. Doubly so when you go back there knowing now that your business partner is incredibly willing to play hardball with lives. Vince isn't the most evil person in this deal, but stupidity can look a whole f*** of a lot like ever sometimes. If Vince had the chance and the price was met, he would've put on The Greatest Fatal Four Way for the Third Reich.
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Post by mattyy on Jun 16, 2020 1:17:50 GMT -5
The Saudi Royal family is on a level of awful way beyond anything WWE is doing--which is where the "you're only mad about the Saudi deal because you hate Vince" people always had me in stitches--and make any of WWE's worst doings and shadiest dealings seem like child's play. But at the same time, if you're there at the mercy of a government with a high body count who's f***ing you over on deals, maybe don't try to stick it to them? They held the plane hostage because Vince tried to play hardball with them in the worst way, and I don't think getting into this deal was a good idea in the first place, but you have to be a truly reckless idiot to play with the lives of the people who work for you out of stubborn alpha male pride by pulling spite moves while you're still on the ground. Doubly so when you go back there knowing now that your business partner is incredibly willing to play hardball with lives. Vince isn't the most evil person in this deal, but stupidity can look a whole f*** of a lot like ever sometimes. If Vince had the chance and the price was met, he would've put on The Greatest Fatal Four Way for the Third Reich. Vince wouldn't see a problem with having the Elimination Chamber on that show either, and they'd put out a presser saying it was a misunderstanding.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 16, 2020 1:19:46 GMT -5
It's now pretty clear what happened with Seth/Meltzer when this whole issue happened. Dave basically reported everything the second witness said as it happened. Then a few people fed some bad info to him about Seth making a big lockeroom speech. Seth calls him out on it and Dave apologizes. They were probably frustrated with all of these details coming out and wanted to discredit him as much as possible.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 16, 2020 1:27:20 GMT -5
It's now pretty clear what happened with Seth/Meltzer when this whole issue happened. Dave basically reported everything the second witness said as it happened. Then a few people fed some bad info to him about Seth making a big lockeroom speech. Seth calls him out on it and Dave apologizes. They were probably frustrated with all of these details coming out and wanted to discredit him as much as possible. Yeah that was pretty blatantly a hit piece all along. They wanted to save face and make Dave look a fool, and that's something they never do. People might say in an interview or on a podcast that Meltzer doesn't know what he's talking about, but that direct an attack on someone coming just after he was reporting on stuff WWE was trying very, very hard to keep quiet? It screamed of trying to bury the story by burying him. They set him up specifically so that Seth, who of everyone there had the most followers and most eyes on him and a willingness to 'be the team leader', got to call him out to his audience. It was all very carefully crafted to maximize the damage they hoped to do to him.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 16, 2020 4:41:18 GMT -5
NOT DEFENDING VINCEBut the Saudi Government, specifically the royal family, are as big, if not bigger POS that VKM is. I can certainly see them negotiating in bad faith from the outset and not paying the WWE as contracted for the June show. I can also see them holding the damn plane hostage without blinking an eye. There is no babyface here. Heel vs. Heel program all around. The babyfaces are the employees who were hung out to dry in all this. Vince knew Saudi Arabia is run by an oppressive regime and are shady as hell, but he didn't care, he thought his connections would protect HIM, and they did as he got to leave while everyone else was kept hostage.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 16, 2020 9:54:23 GMT -5
Imagine still choosing to work there This is why I've written Edge off. He was my favorite of all time, a lot of that being who he presented himself as outside of the ring. To see him get back in bed with this shit in 2020 showed me that he can be bought. I'm still disgusted with him. AEW was offering him what I can only assume is ridiculously good money, to work with his friends, and he still went back to this place. Well, now you stand for what they stand for. Good job, pal.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jun 16, 2020 11:23:19 GMT -5
Imagine still choosing to work there This is why I've written Edge off. He was my favorite of all time, a lot of that being who he presented himself as outside of the ring. To see him get back in bed with this shit in 2020 showed me that he can be bought. I'm still disgusted with him. AEW was offering him what I can only assume is ridiculously good money, to work with his friends, and he still went back to this place. Well, now you stand for what they stand for. Good job, pal. Edge has worked for the wwe since he was 23, his best friends and wife work there, and that’s pretty much where all his career footage is. If he went to AEW, he’d have to go by Sexton Hardcastle or something lol
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 16, 2020 11:26:18 GMT -5
If Vince had the chance and the price was met, he would've put on The Greatest Fatal Four Way for the Third Reich. Vince wouldn't see a problem with having the Elimination Chamber on that show either, and they'd put out a presser saying it was a misunderstanding. I shouldn't have laughed, but I couldn't help it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 16, 2020 12:56:18 GMT -5
It's now pretty clear what happened with Seth/Meltzer when this whole issue happened. Dave basically reported everything the second witness said as it happened. Then a few people fed some bad info to him about Seth making a big lockeroom speech. Seth calls him out on it and Dave apologizes. They were probably frustrated with all of these details coming out and wanted to discredit him as much as possible. Yeah that was pretty blatantly a hit piece all along. They wanted to save face and make Dave look a fool, and that's something they never do. People might say in an interview or on a podcast that Meltzer doesn't know what he's talking about, but that direct an attack on someone coming just after he was reporting on stuff WWE was trying very, very hard to keep quiet? It screamed of trying to bury the story by burying him. They set him up specifically so that Seth, who of everyone there had the most followers and most eyes on him and a willingness to 'be the team leader', got to call him out to his audience. It was all very carefully crafted to maximize the damage they hoped to do to him. That "hit piece" worked. Even here we get posts about how he makes up all his news and reports. Some people fell for it. There's certain wrestling fans who see his name and assume it has to be made up now no matter what it is. And this particular Saudi/WWE incident is often noted as a direct example of "how full of shit he is". Now I'm not saying the dude is 100% accurate, hell I don't even think this whole situation with the WWE/Saudi situation is going to be *as* bad as we assume once we finally get facts. But the way he's brushed off is so weird to me when he's the closest thing to a real journalist we have in the wrestling world.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 16, 2020 13:34:47 GMT -5
So McDevitt addressed the claims made by CW-2 t.co/9CFFIFgpsiIn summery, he said “Nu-uh!” and...that’s it. He didn’t, however, addressed the TV deal claims.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 16, 2020 13:59:12 GMT -5
For some reason, I don't really trust Jerry "Martha Hart Hates Wrestling" McDevitt.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 16, 2020 14:01:51 GMT -5
The Saudi Royal family is on a level of awful way beyond anything WWE is doing--which is where the "you're only mad about the Saudi deal because you hate Vince" people always had me in stitches--and make any of WWE's worst doings and shadiest dealings seem like child's play. But at the same time, if you're there at the mercy of a government with a high body count who's f***ing you over on deals, maybe don't try to stick it to them? They held the plane hostage because Vince tried to play hardball with them in the worst way, and I don't think getting into this deal was a good idea in the first place, but you have to be a truly reckless idiot to play with the lives of the people who work for you out of stubborn alpha male pride by pulling spite moves while you're still on the ground. Doubly so when you go back there knowing now that your business partner is incredibly willing to play hardball with lives. Vince isn't the most evil person in this deal, but stupidity can look a whole f*** of a lot like ever sometimes. If Vince had the chance and the price was met, he would've put on The Greatest Fatal Four Way for the Third Reich. I can totally see Vince McMahon bragging that like Oskar Schindler, he made shells for the Nazis. But his worked, damnit!
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Post by Legion on Jun 16, 2020 15:37:55 GMT -5
So McDevitt addressed the claims made by CW-2 t.co/9CFFIFgpsiIn summery, he said “Nu-uh!” and...that’s it. He didn’t, however, addressed the TV deal claims. Knew he would - no evidence, no dice.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 16, 2020 16:04:50 GMT -5
Vince has made McDevitt's life a lot easier in making people dependent on an industry that sees absolutely everybody as expendable once they don't make them money, with absolutely no kind of safety net. McDevitt's not a genius, he's a wet fish defending a corrupt circus against a lot of broken people made that way by WWE. He's as much a snake as Vince.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 16, 2020 17:26:01 GMT -5
Kidd is also untouchable because he could easily sue WWE for negligence by not arranging an ambulance and telling him he was faking it when he broke his neck, Nattie had to drive him to the hospital.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 16, 2020 17:39:35 GMT -5
Vince has made McDevitt's life a lot easier in making people dependent on an industry that sees absolutely everybody as expendable once they don't make them money, with absolutely no kind of safety net. McDevitt's not a genius, he's a wet fish defending a corrupt circus against a lot of broken people made that way by WWE. He's as much a snake as Vince. And on many cases, WWE has folded/settled to try and avoid letting anything go to trial, expressly because they do so much stuff that is unquestionably crooked and wouldn't hold up if challenged. What's saving WWE right now is nobody challenging them on time and the threat of a very expensive legal battle nobody who can afford it wants to make.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 20, 2020 0:48:19 GMT -5
Interesting stuff.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 20, 2020 2:04:45 GMT -5
So in trying to read through here: a ton of people who actively complained in turn got fired during a pandemic?
Either way f*** this company, but if that lines up how it looks, EXTRA f*** this company.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 20, 2020 9:00:44 GMT -5
Vince remind me so much of someone in every way. I just can not seem to remember who.
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