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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2020 18:22:01 GMT -5
The ONLY reason to mention "it's legal" is if people are actively asking "Why haven't you been arrested?" or "Why aren't you in jail?". But even if it was (and he’s not wrong about it), he then mentions there’s no point to mentioning it so why mention it at all?I was kind of responding in a vacuum. Like "What reason would anybody have where that is an actual answer?" Not taking into account the rest of a specific statement.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 23, 2020 18:24:54 GMT -5
In probable related news, Hangman Page deleted his Twitter. He's close to Marty, so this coming out about him might have hit him hard, maybe he just deactivated to get off socials for awhile. I am hoping it's nothing serious, but nothing has surfaced and I hope nothing does. I saw people accusing The Elite of "covering up for their buddy"which is disgusting,no doubt Hangman was getting harassed for it too
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Post by Shark on Jun 23, 2020 21:51:51 GMT -5
Like, compared to others, his statement was...good isn’t the right word but “adequate” is a better word. The f*** did he have to mention it was legal? It’s as bad as going “I have mental health problems” or “I was going through a rough patch”. We all do. We don’t have sex with people a decade younger than us as payment for doing a gig. Weird is almost how I'd describe it. Especially him outright saying that it was legal, but that is "almost not the point" as if that's just a get out of jail free card. I'm glad he's owning up to knowing it was wrong, but it kind of feels like he doesn't totally grasp the real problems. I will say the best thing about it is him telling fans to stop attacking her and that she has the right to tell her story safely.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 23, 2020 21:59:31 GMT -5
Like, compared to others, his statement was...good isn’t the right word but “adequate” is a better word. The f*** did he have to mention it was legal? It’s as bad as going “I have mental health problems” or “I was going through a rough patch”. We all do. We don’t have sex with people a decade younger than us as payment for doing a gig. Weird is almost how I'd describe it. Especially him outright saying that it was legal, but that is "almost not the point" as if that's just a get out of jail free card. I'm glad he's owning up to knowing it was wrong, but it kind of feels like he doesn't totally grasp the real problems. I will say the best thing about it is him telling fans to stop attacking her and that she has the right to tell her story safely. I mean..saying it is not legal is a get out of jail but i know what you mean, maybe he does but with the amount of people saying he goes to jail doesn`t surprise to me he put it there,even if it ends up being way worse putting so. I`m glad he is at least mature enough to not blame the girl. Maybe in his mind he didnt see the issue,maybe he is faking.
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Post by Fade on Jun 23, 2020 22:24:01 GMT -5
Like, compared to others, his statement was...good isn’t the right word but “adequate” is a better word. The f*** did he have to mention it was legal? It’s as bad as going “I have mental health problems” or “I was going through a rough patch”. We all do. We don’t have sex with people a decade younger than us as payment for doing a gig.To cover his ass. Plain and simple. Legality aside, the optics are clear on how this comes across.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 23, 2020 22:34:35 GMT -5
He's close to Marty, so this coming out about him might have hit him hard, maybe he just deactivated to get off socials for awhile. I am hoping it's nothing serious, but nothing has surfaced and I hope nothing does. I saw people accusing The Elite of "covering up for their buddy"which is disgusting,no doubt Hangman was getting harassed for it too Yeah, like, to be frank: I know Scurll supposedly had a reputation in the UK scene, but that's something the Elite guys have pretty much never been outside of doing a few spots or whatever there. Open secrets are still secrets, and wrestling can still be compartmentalized. This would have been disturbingly easy for him to keep the others in the dark on. Hell, the Bucks knew Joey Ryan for years and years, and they, and many others who knew Ryan, thought he was this shy dude who went out and played against type and was a good dude, and just... obviously that turned out to be very far from the reality. Manipulators manipulate, and they're very good at it if they can have control over the direction they're viewed from. It's when observed outside of that angle that everything falls apart. If they did know, obviously, f*** them all, but I can see this being a "I thought I knew this person" devastation for all of them.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2020 22:37:52 GMT -5
Weird is almost how I'd describe it. Especially him outright saying that it was legal, but that is "almost not the point" as if that's just a get out of jail free card. I'm glad he's owning up to knowing it was wrong, but it kind of feels like he doesn't totally grasp the real problems. I will say the best thing about it is him telling fans to stop attacking her and that she has the right to tell her story safely. I mean..saying it is not legal is a get out of jail but i know what you mean, maybe he does but with the amount of people saying he goes to jail doesn`t surprise to me he put it there,even if it ends up being way worse putting so. I`m glad he is at least mature enough to not blame the girl. Maybe in his mind he didnt see the issue,maybe he is faking. I'm not trying to be an evil, bannable monster, but it's not a prison-able offense just because public opinion says so. That doesn't mean it isn't creepy, or that ROH shouldn't fire him, or that he shouldn't be blackballed. It just means that he can't be imprisoned for it.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 23, 2020 23:49:39 GMT -5
I saw people accusing The Elite of "covering up for their buddy"which is disgusting,no doubt Hangman was getting harassed for it too Yeah, like, to be frank: I know Scurll supposedly had a reputation in the UK scene, but that's something the Elite guys have pretty much never been outside of doing a few spots or whatever there. Open secrets are still secrets, and wrestling can still be compartmentalized. This would have been disturbingly easy for him to keep the others in the dark on. Hell, the Bucks knew Joey Ryan for years and years, and they, and many others who knew Ryan, thought he was this shy dude who went out and played against type and was a good dude, and just... obviously that turned out to be very far from the reality. Manipulators manipulate, and they're very good at it if they can have control over the direction they're viewed from. It's when observed outside of that angle that everything falls apart. If they did know, obviously, f*** them all, but I can see this being a "I thought I knew this person" devastation for all of them. Yeah it sounds like the timeframe where Scurll allegedly did these things was early on in his career, well before he even knew anyone in The Elite. Hell, he wasn't even associated with Bullet Club until 2017.
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Post by Rave on Jun 23, 2020 23:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 24, 2020 0:02:08 GMT -5
So he made himself to look like an even bigger idiot
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Post by Dub H on Jun 24, 2020 1:01:35 GMT -5
I feel this is a stretch,it is just a " lawyer proofed" speak pattern.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 24, 2020 1:22:44 GMT -5
I mean intentional or not that's really f***in bad that it's that similar
If anything comes out of this it's that Marty is a giant moron at handling this situation, good job giving him the book ROH, lol
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Post by markymark on Jun 24, 2020 13:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 24, 2020 13:18:08 GMT -5
Hangman was also a teacher. I imagine he's probably emotionally bothered by the fact that Marty has been messing around with girls the age of the ones he taught himself.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 24, 2020 13:23:38 GMT -5
Illegal no but they can still kick him to the side if they feel like it Sleeping with a 16 year old when you are in your mid 20's in the U.S. is still creepy as f***. You got wrestlers who got kids that age and no doubt they wouldn't feel comfortable with this dude knowing all it takes is the minimum age to pass requirements for him As said already, he technically hasn't gotten to far started yet so if they want to go a diff direction and take this sunk cost they can Does the U.S. not have wrongful dismissal laws? Or would this not apply to a contracted worker? In almost all states in the US, the default is that you are an employee at will, which means you can be terminated for pretty much any reason as long as it’s not a discriminatory reason or in retaliation for any protected activity you engaged in (such as taking family leave or for filing a harassment complaint).. Some contracts will have “just cause” language meaning you can only be fired for just cause but I would doubt his contract would have that.
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Post by thetower52 on Jun 24, 2020 13:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Jun 24, 2020 13:27:26 GMT -5
STOP. MENTIONING. THE. LEGALITY. FOR. F***. SAKE!
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 24, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -5
STOP. MENTIONING. THE. LEGALITY. FOR. F***. SAKE! I think he's doing it because as we've seen on here, people in the U.S. are assuming he's done something illegal, and a large amount of his audience is obviously U.S. based.
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Post by Fade on Jun 24, 2020 13:57:16 GMT -5
Guy’s trying really, really hard.
One of the first responses brings up he called the father of the girl afterwards to apologize for kissing. Never mind what he actually did, but Marty’s not dumb. He knew what happened.
Right now, guy’s being a lil dumb. Feels like he’s showing his ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 14:03:39 GMT -5
The victim is now pointing out Marty knew her age and even helped train her before that night.
The whole thing just sounds gross to me.
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