Matt Riddle accused of sexual assault (Update Pg 15)

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Jun 19, 2020 18:18:34 GMT -5 3cheers4ramirez said:

Sounds like there's quite a bit of history here. The original accuser posted some screenshots from June last year from Riddle and his wife which seem to suggest they were still having some kind of affair.

So Riddle was either sleeping with his stalker or she was having an affair with a guy who once raped her over a year previously (neither of which are impossible I guess). Or somewhere in between.

What I do know is anyone who thinks they know for sure one way or another is lying. And so anyone giving her shit on Twitter - and there are many by the looks of it - is totally out of order.

Not uncommon for rape victims to still see their abuser afterwards. That's the nature of relationships of abuse and where the power dynamics are so skewed.

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I like these people that think they’re saints, when they’re willingly sleeping with married people.

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Jun 19, 2020 18:23:57 GMT -5 @flaminghalo said:

Jun 19, 2020 18:18:34 GMT -5 3cheers4ramirez said:

Sounds like there's quite a bit of history here. The original accuser posted some screenshots from June last year from Riddle and his wife which seem to suggest they were still having some kind of affair.

So Riddle was either sleeping with his stalker or she was having an affair with a guy who once raped her over a year previously (neither of which are impossible I guess). Or somewhere in between.

What I do know is anyone who thinks they know for sure one way or another is lying. And so anyone giving her shit on Twitter - and there are many by the looks of it - is totally out of order.

Not uncommon for rape victims to still see their abuser afterwards. That's the nature of relationships of abuse and where the power dynamics are so skewed.

I totally agree, and I did reference that in my post. But it definitely clouds the case, in both directions, given this is an isolated incident with no other evidence.

FWIW I believe her side of events, but that's not enough to kill someones career.

[Bub (BLM)]

I feel like people shouldn't mix judgment of the rape allegations with judgment of the adultery as I'm seeing a bit online. Not defending it, but cheating is still merely a personal issue that can and should be handled between the parties involved. Rape is a straight up crime, one of the most disgusting ones that can be committed. So I guess it's just a bit weird to see people coming out saying "look he cheats on his wife, what an asshole" when we should be focusing 100% on the assault allegations.

[Tenshigure]

Jun 19, 2020 18:47:57 GMT -5 Display Name said:

I like these people that think they’re saints, when they’re willingly sleeping with married people.

Completely irrelevant to the accusation, and it takes two to tango so let's not "Scarlet Letter" the accused, shall we?

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Jun 19, 2020 21:14:45 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

Jun 19, 2020 18:47:57 GMT -5 Display Name said:

I like these people that think they’re saints, when they’re willingly sleeping with married people.

Completely irrelevant to the accusation, and it takes two to tango so let's not "Scarlet Letter" the accused, shall we?

You made my point. It takes two to tango.

[Tom Turkey]

So... the answer to whether or not WWE would edit Riddle out due to the allegations was... a big hard “No”.

Which meant that we got Riddle debuting vs. AJ Styles and having a big celebration after his win... which is super mega awkward.

[Topher is Human]

Jun 19, 2020 21:19:26 GMT -5 Display Name said:

Jun 19, 2020 21:14:45 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

Completely irrelevant to the accusation, and it takes two to tango so let's not "Scarlet Letter" the accused, shall we?

You made my point. It takes two to tango.

Yeah... let’s not go down this path.

Doing one wrong thing doesn’t suddenly change the gravity of the other. In fact you could argue that the point you’re trying to make is completely irrelevant to the actually topic at hand and all it appears to be doing is trying to hurt the credibility of their story despite the irrelevance.

So yeah, let’s not.

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Jun 19, 2020 21:23:23 GMT -5 Tom Turkey said:

So... the answer to whether or not WWE would edit Riddle out due to the allegations was... a big hard “No”.

Which meant that we got Riddle debuting vs. AJ Styles and having a big celebration after his win... which is super mega awkward.

I mean, Jack Gallagher is literally on 205 Live right now, and they actually let him go.

[Tenshigure]

Jun 19, 2020 21:19:26 GMT -5 Display Name said:

Jun 19, 2020 21:14:45 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

Completely irrelevant to the accusation, and it takes two to tango so let's not "Scarlet Letter" the accused, shall we?

You made my point. It takes two to tango.

Not one of these people coming forward is claiming they are saints, and again you are implying the character of the (alleged) victim should be put into consideration, like being involved in an adulterous relationship somehow invalidates the sexual assault.

No, she may not be a saint, but that doesn't mean she isn't due the common decency and respect of not being taken advantage of like that.

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This whole thing seriously just reads to me as WWE firing Gallagher because they saw him as expendable for a, "See, we're taking it seriously!" message while ignoring people like Riddle, Devlin, and Dream. Basically doing something to have something to point to that they're taking it seriously even while not actually doing so.

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Jun 19, 2020 21:55:37 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

This whole thing seriously just reads to me as WWE firing Gallagher because they saw him as expendable for a, "See, we're taking it seriously!" message while ignoring people like Riddle, Devlin, and Dream. Basically doing something to have something to point to that they're taking it seriously even while not actually doing so.

Depends. The Dream stuff I believe was debunked. The others might be a matter of investigating everything. I think Gallagher either admitted to it or they found condemning evidence and the same might be felt in the coming days.

If not, they absolutely will have to answer for it. 

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Jun 19, 2020 21:59:15 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 19, 2020 21:55:37 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

This whole thing seriously just reads to me as WWE firing Gallagher because they saw him as expendable for a, "See, we're taking it seriously!" message while ignoring people like Riddle, Devlin, and Dream. Basically doing something to have something to point to that they're taking it seriously even while not actually doing so.

Depends. The Dream stuff I believe was debunked. The others might be a matter of investigating everything. I think Gallagher either admitted to it or they found condemning evidence and the same might be felt in the coming days.

If not, they absolutely will have to answer for it. 

Well, there's new Dream stuff that has me reconsidering any doubt I had for the previous accusation.

Also, it doesn't much sense to consider Gallagher as more disposable than the NXT UK guys, because NXT UK isn't exactly above 205 Live in anyway. In fact, Gallagher has the advantage of being available to WWE during the pandemic, whereas firing anyone across the border would have zero effect on the current product.

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Jun 19, 2020 21:23:23 GMT -5 Tom Turkey said:

So... the answer to whether or not WWE would edit Riddle out due to the allegations was... a big hard “No”.

Which meant that we got Riddle debuting vs. AJ Styles and having a big celebration after his win... which is super mega awkward.

He fought Styles, so I guess that means he interrupted Styles’s big promo too. And I bet it was a nice long match too.

On the other hand, that may be his only appearance until this either blows over or he gets cut, since they’ve yet to tape next week’s SmackDown.

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NXT guys keep surpassing 80s wrestlers in crazy scale. :S

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Jun 19, 2020 19:22:55 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

I feel like people shouldn't mix judgment of the rape allegations with judgment of the adultery as I'm seeing a bit online. Not defending it, but cheating is still merely a personal issue that can and should be handled between the parties involved. Rape is a straight up crime, one of the most disgusting ones that can be committed. So I guess it's just a bit weird to see people coming out saying "look he cheats on his wife, what an asshole" when we should be focusing 100% on the assault allegations.

Agreed. If he cheats on his wife, honestly so what. It is wrong but that doesn't make him a monster

The rape allegations is what needs the attention because if that is true, that is where the monster is. No real point in going down the road of he cheated so he's an ass because that's not the elephant in the room 

[The Captain]

Intimate partner rape is still rape. Spousal rape is still rape. Just because there were also consensual encounters doesn't mean a sexual assault didn't happen.

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Jun 19, 2020 22:04:51 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Jun 19, 2020 21:59:15 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Depends. The Dream stuff I believe was debunked. The others might be a matter of investigating everything. I think Gallagher either admitted to it or they found condemning evidence and the same might be felt in the coming days.

If not, they absolutely will have to answer for it. 

Well, there's new Dream stuff that has me reconsidering any doubt I had for the previous accusation.

Also, it doesn't much sense to consider Gallagher as more disposable than the NXT UK guys, because NXT UK isn't exactly above 205 Live in anyway. In fact, Gallagher has the advantage of being available to WWE during the pandemic, whereas firing anyone across the border would have zero effect on the current product.

I did not hear about the new Dream stuff, was the original thread updated or a new one started? 

And yeah I don't think this is a statement cut, Gallagher is in no way more expendable than Coffey, Ligero, Banks or Devlin to me