Matt Riddle accused of sexual assault (Update Pg 15)

[Shark]

Just to put a pin in the "why did Riddle draft a restraining order but not file it?" topic, Riddle said in his original statement that he chose not to file one because he didn't want it effecting her career. Now whether you believe that reason or not is up to you, but that would be Riddle's reason he didn't go through filing it.

[novak]

People standing up for Riddle just because they are NXT fans! Women like this are scared to come out and say what happened because they deal with powerful people like Riddle in WWE with great lawyers. This is not a good situation. She should not be accused of lying! 

[ChitownKnight]

Jun 21, 2020 16:35:19 GMT -5 novak said:

People standing up for Riddle just because they are NXT fans! Women like this are scared to come out and say what happened because they deal with powerful people like Riddle in WWE with great lawyers. This is not a good situation. She should not be accused of lying! 

And Riddle shouldn’t have his name smeared if this accusation turns out to be false. I saw the screenshots that showed that they were cordial and at the worst makes it looks like he’s a cheater. I believe the Dream/Gallagher accusations but I’m not too sure on this one. I don’t want to be accused of being a rape apologist but the innocent don’t deserve their name smeared either

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 21, 2020 16:48:15 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

Jun 21, 2020 16:35:19 GMT -5 novak said:

People standing up for Riddle just because they are NXT fans! Women like this are scared to come out and say what happened because they deal with powerful people like Riddle in WWE with great lawyers. This is not a good situation. She should not be accused of lying! 

And Riddle shouldn’t have his name smeared if this accusation turns out to be false. I saw the screenshots that showed that they were cordial and at the worst makes it looks like he’s a cheater. I believe the Dream/Gallagher accusations but I’m not too sure on this one. I don’t want to be accused of being a rape apologist but the innocent don’t deserve their name smeared either

I agree with this stance as well. There are some accusations that have come out with a ton of backed up support, like Gallagher getting released and hammered, Starr as the obvious start of the floodgate, Ligero and Ryan getting slammed online, Crist's having a lot of backup to the point his brother and Zachary Wentz has disassociated their wrestling school from him, Lagana getting released from NWA and slammed, Dreams numerous DMs, but there are quite a few that remain in this limbo, secondhand anonymous sources or stand alone statements that aren't confirmed or need to be looked into, with almost no one else saying anything about their specific situations compared to others. We already saw one wrestler get anonymously accused and the tweet quickly deleted, so this stuff has to be taken with precaution.

Riddle, his wife and the accuser have gone back and forth and his lawyer has come off like a buffoon, but it also doesn't mean Riddle is out and out guilty. An asshole? Maybe, but any further than that is basically means of an investigation at this point like the other accused as well. I guess time is inevitably going to tell.

[polarbearpete]

It’s also been reported by Meltzer that Riddle disclosed all of this to WWE back when he was signed 2 years ago. .

[romanstylesiii]

Jun 21, 2020 16:35:19 GMT -5 novak said:

People standing up for Riddle just because they are NXT fans! Women like this are scared to come out and say what happened because they deal with powerful people like Riddle in WWE with great lawyers. This is not a good situation. She should not be accused of lying! 

He literally has legal proof he started the process of his restraining order against her before her story happened. It's not a sports team, it's not about picking sides.

If she can address this and address the fact no one else in the car full of 6 people noticed him threatening her life and assaulting her, I would happily believe her.

Evidence matters, especially when you have a history of illegally stalking and harrassing someone. Women can be abusers too.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 21, 2020 21:50:54 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

It’s also been reported by Meltzer that Riddle disclosed all of this to WWE back when he was signed 2 years ago. .

The part about the girl potentially being a stalker and nuts? Because if they still signed him with potential looming sexual assault allegations coming to light that's a very bad look...

And even if that's the case the fact they just sat on it for two years for it to blow up in their faces also isn't the greatest look... everyone looked ill-prepared to handle this situation, especially the Lawyer.

[Shark]

Jun 22, 2020 0:31:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 21, 2020 21:50:54 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

It’s also been reported by Meltzer that Riddle disclosed all of this to WWE back when he was signed 2 years ago. .

The part about the girl potentially being a stalker and nuts? Because if they still signed him with potential looming sexual assault allegations coming to light that's a very bad look...

And even if that's the case the fact they just sat on it for two years for it to blow up in their faces also isn't the greatest look... everyone looked ill-prepared to handle this situation, especially the Lawyer.

It was a surprise that Riddle was even signed in the first place. Given that he didn't seem like the kind of guy that would mesh with WWE well and given his very open stance on smoking pot, this potentially being used against him does seem like good reason for WWE to have not signed him. However they did which tells me they either fell asleep at the switch, Hunter made enough of a case that he wore Vince down, or Riddle presented enough evidence of his side of things that convinced WWE that they would be covered if anything came out.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 22, 2020 1:21:08 GMT -5 Shark said:

Jun 22, 2020 0:31:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

The part about the girl potentially being a stalker and nuts? Because if they still signed him with potential looming sexual assault allegations coming to light that's a very bad look...

And even if that's the case the fact they just sat on it for two years for it to blow up in their faces also isn't the greatest look... everyone looked ill-prepared to handle this situation, especially the Lawyer.

It was a surprise that Riddle was even signed in the first place. Given that he didn't seem like the kind of guy that would mesh with WWE well and given his very open stance on smoking pot, this potentially being used against him does seem like good reason for WWE to have not signed him. However they did which tells me they either fell asleep at the switch, Hunter made enough of a case that he wore Vince down, or Riddle presented enough evidence of his side of things that convinced WWE that they would be covered if anything came out.

The other possible reason? Signing him so no one else could use him

He signed before AEW got major steam, but WWE loves having all the pie if they can. It does shock me Riddle wanted to do it, but maybe the money offered was good and it was a bucket list thing for him.

But it's a pretty volitile situation now where his career's kind of in the balance.  

[Shark]

Jun 22, 2020 2:12:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 22, 2020 1:21:08 GMT -5 Shark said:

It was a surprise that Riddle was even signed in the first place. Given that he didn't seem like the kind of guy that would mesh with WWE well and given his very open stance on smoking pot, this potentially being used against him does seem like good reason for WWE to have not signed him. However they did which tells me they either fell asleep at the switch, Hunter made enough of a case that he wore Vince down, or Riddle presented enough evidence of his side of things that convinced WWE that they would be covered if anything came out.

The other possible reason? Signing him so no one else could use him

He signed before AEW got major steam, but WWE loves having all the pie if they can. It does shock me Riddle wanted to do it, but maybe the money offered was good and it was a bucket list thing for him.

But it's a pretty volitile situation now where his career's kind of in the balance.  

He was signed long before AEW was even a thing. Cody hadn't even done All In yet when Riddle signed.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jun 22, 2020 2:12:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 22, 2020 1:21:08 GMT -5 Shark said:

It was a surprise that Riddle was even signed in the first place. Given that he didn't seem like the kind of guy that would mesh with WWE well and given his very open stance on smoking pot, this potentially being used against him does seem like good reason for WWE to have not signed him. However they did which tells me they either fell asleep at the switch, Hunter made enough of a case that he wore Vince down, or Riddle presented enough evidence of his side of things that convinced WWE that they would be covered if anything came out.

The other possible reason? Signing him so no one else could use him

He signed before AEW got major steam, but WWE loves having all the pie if they can. It does shock me Riddle wanted to do it, but maybe the money offered was good and it was a bucket list thing for him.

But it's a pretty volitile situation now where his career's kind of in the balance.  

If he was up front with it and showed them what he has and they signed him on, I want to believe there's something to the claims that he at least has a paper trail on this stuff, because WWE's definitely signed tons of people just to have them, but they've passed on people who've done far less because they're a time bomb waiting to go off, and having them be somenoe else's problem is hardly the worst strategy.

[mattyy]

Jun 22, 2020 2:12:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 22, 2020 1:21:08 GMT -5 Shark said:

It was a surprise that Riddle was even signed in the first place. Given that he didn't seem like the kind of guy that would mesh with WWE well and given his very open stance on smoking pot, this potentially being used against him does seem like good reason for WWE to have not signed him. However they did which tells me they either fell asleep at the switch, Hunter made enough of a case that he wore Vince down, or Riddle presented enough evidence of his side of things that convinced WWE that they would be covered if anything came out.

The other possible reason? Signing him so no one else could use him

He signed before AEW got major steam, but WWE loves having all the pie if they can. It does shock me Riddle wanted to do it, but maybe the money offered was good and it was a bucket list thing for him.

But it's a pretty volitile situation now where his career's kind of in the balance.  

It wasn't AEW WWE was trying to keep him from, as AEW was just a thought in Tony Khan's head when Riddle signed. It was New Japan. NJPW made an offer towards Riddle, and as soon as that broke, WWE called him up.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 22, 2020 4:50:07 GMT -5 mattyy said:

Jun 22, 2020 2:12:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

The other possible reason? Signing him so no one else could use him

He signed before AEW got major steam, but WWE loves having all the pie if they can. It does shock me Riddle wanted to do it, but maybe the money offered was good and it was a bucket list thing for him.

But it's a pretty volitile situation now where his career's kind of in the balance.  

It wasn't AEW WWE was trying to keep him from, as AEW was just a thought in Tony Khan's head when Riddle signed. It was New Japan. NJPW made an offer towards Riddle, and as soon as that broke, WWE called him up.

Yeah I knew AEW wasn't a thing yet but it was the whole "Sign him so a major Indie doesn't get him" move.

[sammyss]

Well. A sexual assault

This was something I didnt expect to see.

If the guy's a rapist, I dont want to feel sorry for him for being outed, yet here we are.

[Viking Hall]

Jun 21, 2020 19:18:01 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 21, 2020 16:48:15 GMT -5 ChitownKnight said:

And Riddle shouldn’t have his name smeared if this accusation turns out to be false. I saw the screenshots that showed that they were cordial and at the worst makes it looks like he’s a cheater. I believe the Dream/Gallagher accusations but I’m not too sure on this one. I don’t want to be accused of being a rape apologist but the innocent don’t deserve their name smeared either

I agree with this stance as well. There are some accusations that have come out with a ton of backed up support, like Gallagher getting released and hammered, Starr as the obvious start of the floodgate, Ligero and Ryan getting slammed online, Crist's having a lot of backup to the point his brother and Zachary Wentz has disassociated their wrestling school from him, Lagana getting released from NWA and slammed, Dreams numerous DMs, but there are quite a few that remain in this limbo, secondhand anonymous sources or stand alone statements that aren't confirmed or need to be looked into, with almost no one else saying anything about their specific situations compared to others. We already saw one wrestler get anonymously accused and the tweet quickly deleted, so this stuff has to be taken with precaution.

Riddle, his wife and the accuser have gone back and forth and his lawyer has come off like a buffoon, but it also doesn't mean Riddle is out and out guilty. An asshole? Maybe, but any further than that is basically means of an investigation at this point like the other accused as well. I guess time is inevitably going to tell.

Yeah, I'm totally with you on this too. I wrote a far too wordy post here about my feelings on the matter in general but the abridged version is that we need to realise that there's a massive leap between 'I support the accuser' and 'the accused is a piece of sh*t' when there's little to no evidence presented to support an accusation. 

[An Dog On An Skateboard]

Jun 21, 2020 16:35:19 GMT -5 novak said:

People standing up for Riddle just because they are NXT fans! Women like this are scared to come out and say what happened because they deal with powerful people like Riddle in WWE with great lawyers. This is not a good situation. She should not be accused of lying! 

Echoing what a couple of others have said, please, please don't turn this into something where you have to pick sides, and where we decide that people's opinions are based on who and what they are or aren't fans of. There are some communities where there's a full scale culture war breaking out because some fans want to turn this into something about smarks and "internet favourites", and basically hijack it for their own ends and turn it into something about themselves and their battle with what they consider the "wrong" type of wrestling fan.

Apart from creating arguments, derailing discussion, and making it hard to talk sensibly, it's wrong to turn it into some sectarian conflict between wrestling fans. This isn't about us, and it's just not appropriate to make it so.

[kingoftheindies]

Yeqh again let's make this clear I think with most allegations people here are taking the side of the person coming out. I think what has some people a little more in the middle here is that Riddle is claiming she stalked him and his family and that legal steps were taken 2 years ago... and according to Meltzer the allegations of stalking was disclosed to the WWE before he signed. Does that make him innocent? Not necessarily at all. But this is also very different from how the other wrestlers with allegations against them have handled things.

This should not be an us vs them situation. But the Riddle situation seems to be a bit different right now than the other situations.

[Ben Wyatt]

Jun 22, 2020 10:25:51 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Yeqh again let's make this clear I think with most allegations people here are taking the side of the person coming out. I think what has some people a little more in the middle here is that Riddle is claiming she stalked him and his family and that legal steps were taken 2 years ago... and according to Meltzer the allegations of stalking was disclosed to the WWE before he signed. Does that make him innocent? Not necessarily at all. But this is also very different from how the other wrestlers with allegations against them have handled things.

This should not be an us vs them situation. But the Riddle situation seems to be a bit different right now than the other situations.

Right. If it's indeed true that he disclosed the stalking stuff to the WWE, it at least lends to the possibility of his side being true, as opposed to him making the stalking thing up when all this came to light in an attempt to save his ass. 

[Dave the Dave]

Yeah all of this could be true. Riddle could’ve done this horrible shit AND Candy could be stalking his family.

I can’t write her off though because some people Develop strong feelings for their abusers. That wouldn’t make what she’s doing OK but I would explain it a little. I don’t know the burden of proof is on her sadly, especially with these accusations levied against her too. It’s just a tough call.

[MolotovMocktail]

Jun 22, 2020 0:31:52 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jun 21, 2020 21:50:54 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

It’s also been reported by Meltzer that Riddle disclosed all of this to WWE back when he was signed 2 years ago. .

The part about the girl potentially being a stalker and nuts? Because if they still signed him with potential looming sexual assault allegations coming to light that's a very bad look...

And even if that's the case the fact they just sat on it for two years for it to blow up in their faces also isn't the greatest look... everyone looked ill-prepared to handle this situation, especially the Lawyer.

Maybe Riddle himself didn’t know what she was going to do. It’s possible he mentioned that he’s had problems with a stalker before, but didn’t know specifically that she’d try to get him by accusing him of sexual assault.