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Post by Peeetah on Jun 20, 2020 17:25:14 GMT -5
What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Literally all of them.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 20, 2020 17:28:20 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Have you seen Chris Brown and R. Kelly fans?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 20, 2020 17:38:13 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 20, 2020 17:40:19 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. I don't understand why humans are like that if the person is famous, like, I think Justin Beiber once got done for driving under the influence of drugs and, if you or I had done that, people would rightfully want us to face jail time, but because it was Beiber, people lined up to say 'Oh, don't put him in jail, he'll learn his lesson'. Why should celebrity have an impact on how people get charged for crimes?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 20, 2020 18:25:10 GMT -5
Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. I don't understand why humans are like that if the person is famous, like, I think Justin Beiber once got done for driving under the influence of drugs and, if you or I had done that, people would rightfully want us to face jail time, but because it was Beiber, people lined up to say 'Oh, don't put him in jail, he'll learn his lesson'. Why should celebrity have an impact on how people get charged for crimes? Because we get more attached to people and things than we perhaps should. We're social animals, we all want a group to belong to and a means to bond with people, and for whatever reason celebrities tend to become the core of groups of more obsessive folks, people who don't want to lose them and their work as it's part of their identity. You'll find people who feel they have a personal connection with their hero when the relationship is only ever one way, who will defend the indefensible and see any attack on their hero or the person who was in that thing the like as an attack on them.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 20, 2020 18:34:25 GMT -5
I don't understand why humans are like that if the person is famous, like, I think Justin Beiber once got done for driving under the influence of drugs and, if you or I had done that, people would rightfully want us to face jail time, but because it was Beiber, people lined up to say 'Oh, don't put him in jail, he'll learn his lesson'. Why should celebrity have an impact on how people get charged for crimes? Because we get more attached to people and things than we perhaps should. We're social animals, we all want a group to belong to and a means to bond with people, and for whatever reason celebrities tend to become the core of groups of more obsessive folks, people who don't want to lose them and their work as it's part of their identity. You'll find people who feel they have a personal connection with their hero when the relationship is only ever one way, who will defend the indefensible and see any attack on their hero or the person who was in that thing the like as an attack on them. We all get that way sometimes for sure. If I see a hot take, even if it’s something I haven’t seen or not sure about, there’s an instinct in me sometimes to want to defend it or say something about it and...it’s really silly but understandable if you want to feel Ike you belong somewhere or in a community. And that’s not to say you can’t like or defend things, nor can you say if you dislike something or see a big problem with it, but there are ways of doing that sort of thing in moderation and understanding not everything is for everyone. I mean, this stuff is way different and in some cases, some of these people are exposing as much about their own personalities and dropping the mask, if you will, as some of the people brave enough to tell their stories.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 20, 2020 18:43:31 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Dude. All of them. All of the fandoms. All of them are. Johnny Depp still gets work. Louis CK took a shorter break between allegations and comeback than he typically takes between stand-up specials. Almost none of these people ever actually pay the piper for this shit, and it's because more people than you would like to admit just do not care about this stuff.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 20, 2020 18:47:49 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Dude. All of them. All of the fandoms. All of them are. Johnny Depp still gets work. Louis CK took a shorter break between allegations and comeback than he typically takes between stand-up specials. Almost none of these people ever actually pay the piper for this shit, and it's because more people than you would like to admit just do not care about this stuff. I mean, the Depp stuff seems more...complicated than originally was out there. But yeah, your main point is there. There was a slight push for this stuff before but if there is one thing this Pandemic has done has given more of a push. The last couple of days, abusers in comics, video games and the table top communities are starting to get exposed.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 20, 2020 18:49:54 GMT -5
Dude. All of them. All of the fandoms. All of them are. Johnny Depp still gets work. Louis CK took a shorter break between allegations and comeback than he typically takes between stand-up specials. Almost none of these people ever actually pay the piper for this shit, and it's because more people than you would like to admit just do not care about this stuff. I mean, the Depp stuff seems more...complicated than originally was out there. But yeah, your main point is there. There was a slight push for this stuff before but if there is one thing this Pandemic has done has given more of a push. The last couple of days, abusers in comics, video games and the table top communities are starting to get exposed. The Depp stuff was definitely complicated further, yes - but in reality stuff like this doesn't touch the majority of people at his level anyway.
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Post by honsou on Jun 20, 2020 19:29:24 GMT -5
My biggest worry is that in a year all is going to be forgotten and all is going to be forgiven and anyone with any form of talent or drawing power will be welcomed back with open arms.
Then I'll actually be disgusted to be a wrestling fan
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Post by agent817 on Jun 20, 2020 19:31:30 GMT -5
This is almost the same thing as saying "I will never eat at this place again!" when someone endorses the business or if there was some shady dealings within the company. It was also the same thing as a Californian when Arnold was governor and they said "Don't pay to see an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie." I try not to mix certain things together. I get where you're coming from, but really, there are a lot POS's out there. But it doesn't deter me from consuming a medium.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 20, 2020 19:40:04 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by some wrestling fans trying to defend the people committing these horrible acts, how much of a vile piece of crap do you have to be to defend rapists and people in the wrestling who are abusive to others? What other fanbase is so willing to just look the other way?? Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. Just look at the heinous things Vic Mignogna fans are doing to those that spoke up about him.
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Post by Square on Jun 20, 2020 19:42:53 GMT -5
As a British wrestling fan yeah I am. I honestly might be done with it after this
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 20, 2020 19:43:53 GMT -5
Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. Just look at the heinous things Vic Mignogna fans are doing to those that spoke up about him. You can come up with a conspiracy theory for anything, even if it makes no sense and ignores glaring facts about reality. In Vic’s case, he got quite possibly the worst lawyer not hired by Matt Riddle.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 20, 2020 20:22:25 GMT -5
I think we risk losing sight of the bigger picture if we just get fed up with wrestling, or whatever other fandom where we see grotesque stuff like this happening.
Wrestling, the performance art, is not the issue at hand here; the culture that's been allowed to develop within it is. The good news is that the latter can be changed for the better.
But getting to that point will take a radical rethinking of our culture and society as a whole. Rape culture is real, and it impacts all of us, even those who consider ourselves allies against patriarchy, toxic masculinity and its assorted ills.
Yesterday I tried to type out the story of a situation I once had around a decade ago where I was with a woman, but afterwards feared that she might have taken something I had said in a way that I didn't mean it: that to her I might have come off as pressuring her into doing something she didn't want to do. Something like that is never my intention, but younger, dumber me may well have thought I was saying something positive and somehow messed it up; she and I had hit it off on a date, but she had reason to fear that hooking up with me could generate some negative neighborhood gossip for what I felt were petty, absurd reasons, and I said the people who'd do such a thing to her would be dumb and petty. But, bearing in mind we were both inebriated at the time, my experience with her that night (no, we did not go that far) and then our limited interactions afterwards had me wondering if I had come off less as supporting her and more like I was coaxing her; I don't think I'll ever get to know for sure, but the idea that it's even a possibility that my words might've been taken that way horrifies me. Older, wiser me, I like to think, would hear a moment of hesitation and go "oh, no problem, I understand", but younger me figured my intentions were good...when, frankly, intentions don't mean much compared with how others actually take our words and deeds.
Again, maybe my story is one where nothing wrong actually happened, I don't think I'll ever know for sure, but the point is that rape culture and the way our culture tells men we're to treat women is a noxious phenomenon, and one that shapes nearly the entire world, not just pro wrestling. To level all our disgust at one sector of entertainment, or to potentially look at things like we just need to find and isolate the "bad guys" (not that a whole lot of legitimate bad guys don't deserve to face the music for their actions) ignores that the problems run so, so much deeper than any of us really want to believe.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 20, 2020 20:22:26 GMT -5
Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. Just look at the heinous things Vic Mignogna fans are doing to those that spoke up about him. Vic being a complete piece of shit has been an open secret in the anime community for over a decade. I've been hearing about them since at least 2006, personally. But his rabid fanbase rushed into any negative discussion about him on social media or any other semi-public forum to troll, insult, harass, or outright threaten people who dared to mar his name. It's why a lot of people used code names like "Vic Lasagna" to evade them.
So when the accusations against him went from hushed whispers to open accusations, it was a rallying cry for the Vic stans to defend their scumbag idol. Then you had that other scumbag Youtuber guy fan the flames by turning it into a culture war.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 20, 2020 20:23:41 GMT -5
Film, music, comics, art, literature, politics, toy collecting, sports, animation... If you can name it, someone involved has done something abhorrent and there have been hundreds of people lining up to defend them because they like their work. Just look at the heinous things Vic Mignogna fans are doing to those that spoke up about him. That is still going on? That thread hasn't been updated in a while
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 20, 2020 20:34:29 GMT -5
Just look at the heinous things Vic Mignogna fans are doing to those that spoke up about him. That is still going on? That thread hasn't been updated in a while It’s less of a full on situation as much as hanger ons still bothering people and trying to prove the justice system is against him...or something.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 20, 2020 21:45:17 GMT -5
I’m not disgusted to be a fan, but I’m disappointed by how unsurprising all of this is.
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Post by glorious83 on Jun 20, 2020 21:52:48 GMT -5
I’m disgusted by some of the stuff I’ve heard about but at the same time I can’t believe how stupid some of the guys are. In this day and age you can’t expect to get away with shit without the possibility of it coming back to bite you in the ass. These wrestlers need to be taught early on to not do this stuff and have the proper respect for your craft and the people you work with.
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