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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2020 13:18:40 GMT -5
Surprised Impact’s contracts have clauses like that in them giving the wrestler the “right to cure.” They should have contracts giving them the right to get out of them at any time with certain notice.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 13, 2020 13:22:53 GMT -5
Having not seen the entire contract I won't speculate, but it seems like they allow a 5 day period to cure the issue and then 30 days, if its not a termination, and instead a suspension. A termination is a termination, why would they attempt to cure it? In any industry, if you're fired, you're fired.
I mean it says "(i) Any instance of a violation for which Wrestler has already received a warning, reprimand or notification therof", and in this case, he did not get a warning reprimand or notification, he was terminated.
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Post by hargh on Oct 13, 2020 13:38:57 GMT -5
Breaking news: Joey Ryan sues Freanin' Awesome Network and each individual member of its forums for $10 million each.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2020 13:46:19 GMT -5
Having not seen the entire contract I won't speculate, but it seems like they allow a 5 day period to cure the issue and then 30 days, if its not a termination, and instead a suspension. A termination is a termination, why would they attempt to cure it? In any industry, if you're fired, you're fired. I mean it says "(i) Any instance of a violation for which Wrestler has already received a warning, reprimand or notification therof", and in this case, he did not get a warning reprimand or notification, he was terminated. My reading of the provision that was posted is that for disciplinary action (whether termination or suspension) under the noted subsections, including (g) which seems applicable here, Impact has to give written notice, a 5 day period to cure and then potentially another 30 day period to work things out before ultimately being able to terminate him for the reason under subsection (g). The way it is posted is a little confusing as it is not clear if section (i) is meant to be the only one subject to this cure period or if section (i) just happens to be the last listed reason and then the cure period follows it. Would probably be easier to analyze with a copy of the full contract.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 13, 2020 13:47:55 GMT -5
Breaking news: Joey Ryan sues Freanin' Awesome Network and each individual member of its forums for $10 million each. Apparently the Romine brothers are representing him in court.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 13, 2020 13:49:16 GMT -5
Having not seen the entire contract I won't speculate, but it seems like they allow a 5 day period to cure the issue and then 30 days, if its not a termination, and instead a suspension. A termination is a termination, why would they attempt to cure it? In any industry, if you're fired, you're fired. I mean it says "(i) Any instance of a violation for which Wrestler has already received a warning, reprimand or notification therof", and in this case, he did not get a warning reprimand or notification, he was terminated. My reading of the provision that was posted is that for disciplinary action (whether termination or suspension) under the noted subsections, including (g) which seems applicable here, Impact has to give written notice, a 5 day period to cure and then potentially another 30 day period to work things out before ultimately being able to terminate him for the reason under subsection (g). The way it is posted is a little confusing as it is not clear if section (i) is meant to be the only one subject to this cure period or if section (i) just happens to be the last listed reason and then the cure period follows it. Would probably be easier to analyze with a copy of the full contract. Typically those kinds of things only protect you in performance-related issues. They don't have to wait 30 days to fire you for being a sexually predatory scumbag.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2020 13:53:41 GMT -5
My reading of the provision that was posted is that for disciplinary action (whether termination or suspension) under the noted subsections, including (g) which seems applicable here, Impact has to give written notice, a 5 day period to cure and then potentially another 30 day period to work things out before ultimately being able to terminate him for the reason under subsection (g). The way it is posted is a little confusing as it is not clear if section (i) is meant to be the only one subject to this cure period or if section (i) just happens to be the last listed reason and then the cure period follows it. Would probably be easier to analyze with a copy of the full contract. Typically those kinds of things only protect you in performance-related issues. They don't have to wait 30 days to fire you for being a sexually predatory scumbag. It just depends on what is in the contract. This one in particular seems to contemplate some type of negative PR type of issues: “g) Wrestler commits any act with Promoter believes, in its reasonable business judgment, would damage Wrestler's or Promoter's reputation and/or that of its affiliate, licensees, or assigns or otherwise damages the value or integrity of the Programs, the Works or the Merchandise of which could subject Wrestler to criminal prosecution; (h) Wrestler commits any act (other than in character in accordance with direction provided to Wrestler by Promoter's Creative team) which places or could place Wrestler or Promoter (or any of its affiliates) in a patently negative light;” So it would seemingly apply here. I think the lesson here is that Impact needs to make their contracts more Company-friendly and easier to get out of.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 13, 2020 13:56:44 GMT -5
Typically those kinds of things only protect you in performance-related issues. They don't have to wait 30 days to fire you for being a sexually predatory scumbag. It just depends on what is in the contract. This one in particular seems to contemplate some type of negative PR type of issues: “g) Wrestler commits any act with Promoter believes, in its reasonable business judgment, would damage Wrestler's or Promoter's reputation and/or that of its affiliate, licensees, or assigns or otherwise damages the value or integrity of the Programs, the Works or the Merchandise of which could subject Wrestler to criminal prosecution; (h) Wrestler commits any act (other than in character in accordance with direction provided to Wrestler by Promoter's Creative team) which places or could place Wrestler or Promoter (or any of its affiliates) in a patently negative light;” So it would seemingly apply here. I think the lesson here is that Impact needs to make their contracts more Company-friendly and easier to get out of. Yeah when this started I said either Joey Ryan is full of shit or Impact's HR department are morons. It's looking more like the latter if they actually included a clause about not being able to terminate someone immediately for something this egregious. They may be able to wiggle out of this because its vague but the first expression you have hammered into your hwad during HR training is the words "Legally Defensible".
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2020 14:02:11 GMT -5
It just depends on what is in the contract. This one in particular seems to contemplate some type of negative PR type of issues: “g) Wrestler commits any act with Promoter believes, in its reasonable business judgment, would damage Wrestler's or Promoter's reputation and/or that of its affiliate, licensees, or assigns or otherwise damages the value or integrity of the Programs, the Works or the Merchandise of which could subject Wrestler to criminal prosecution; (h) Wrestler commits any act (other than in character in accordance with direction provided to Wrestler by Promoter's Creative team) which places or could place Wrestler or Promoter (or any of its affiliates) in a patently negative light;” So it would seemingly apply here. I think the lesson here is that Impact needs to make their contracts more Company-friendly and easier to get out of. Yeah when this started I said either Joey Ryan is full of shit or Impact's HR department are morons. It's looking more like the latter if they actually included a clause about not being able to terminate someone immediately for something this egregious. They may be able to wiggle out of this because its vague but the first expression you have hammered into your hwad during HR training is the words "Legally Defensible". I mean just having a cure provision in the contract like that makes it look like they took a form independent contractor contract for something like a construction company and filled it in to fit their needs. There’s very rarely any type of “cure” provision in an employment agreement, as that does not really make sense in this context. Maybe an appeal right or a right to a hearing but not to cure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 14:49:48 GMT -5
Its kinda like he's admitting guilt on someone those civil suits just to say Impact was mean and didnt give me those 35 days to think it over.
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Post by XIII on Oct 13, 2020 14:51:54 GMT -5
The funny thing is that even at his peak Joey wasn’t going to make anywhere near $10M a year, dude is trying to scorch earth with these lawsuits. I’ll be surprised if he gets much of anything out of them.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 13, 2020 15:20:16 GMT -5
The funny thing is that even at his peak Joey wasn’t going to make anywhere near $10M a year, dude is trying to scorch earth with these lawsuits. I’ll be surprised if he gets much of anything out of them. The most he can hope for is maybe some money for the lawsuits to go away.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Oct 13, 2020 15:25:54 GMT -5
Breaking news: Joey Ryan sues Freanin' Awesome Network and each individual member of its forums for $10 million each. Sucks to be him when I bring out the Chewbacca Defense in our case. He's gonna owe us money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 15:33:58 GMT -5
Anthem is not going to pay penny to him, if they aren't ready to pay anything to Jarrett either. LOL. What a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 15:44:42 GMT -5
The funny thing is that even at his peak Joey wasn’t going to make anywhere near $10M a year, dude is trying to scorch earth with these lawsuits. I’ll be surprised if he gets much of anything out of them. The most he can hope for is maybe some money for the lawsuits to go away. Maybe they rehire him?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 13, 2020 17:55:06 GMT -5
The funny thing is that even at his peak Joey wasn’t going to make anywhere near $10M a year, dude is trying to scorch earth with these lawsuits. I’ll be surprised if he gets much of anything out of them. The most he can hope for is maybe some money for the lawsuits to go away. He's suing for a number like $10 million in the hope that they'll ultimately settle for a much smaller fee. If you're Anthem and looking at six figure legal fees just to fight it while facing an unknown outcome, paying this dickhead $50k to go away might look a reasonable investment tbh.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 13, 2020 18:00:29 GMT -5
The most he can hope for is maybe some money for the lawsuits to go away. He's suing for a number like $10 million in the hope that they'll ultimately settle for a much smaller fee. If you're Anthem and looking at six figure legal fees just to fight it while facing an unknown outcome, paying this dickhead $50k to go away might look a reasonable investment tbh. WWE and Jericho got sued by a cable runner for like 9 million. Vince told him there was no way in hell he was settling. He said the guy just wants 20K to go away. Vince said he’d rather spend hundreds of thousands fighting it than to settle for much less because then everyone would sue looking for a settlement. If you have a lawyer, use him.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 13, 2020 18:02:08 GMT -5
He's suing for a number like $10 million in the hope that they'll ultimately settle for a much smaller fee. If you're Anthem and looking at six figure legal fees just to fight it while facing an unknown outcome, paying this dickhead $50k to go away might look a reasonable investment tbh. WWE and Jericho got sued by a cable runner for like 9 million. Vince told him there was no way in hell he was settling. He said the guy just wants 20K to go away. Vince said he’d rather spend hundreds of thousands fighting it than to settle for much less because then everyone would sue looking for a settlement. If you have a lawyer, use him. Impact doesn't have money to burn in order to prove a point, nor are they led by an executive like Vince who would take a flamethrower to said money if that ended with him being able to say "I won".
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 13, 2020 18:05:25 GMT -5
lol, imagine being so desperate that you file SIX lawsuits at the same time? Just get a job at Subway and go away, dickhead. Subway is steering clear of sex offenders these days....
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 13, 2020 18:11:11 GMT -5
It just depends on what is in the contract. This one in particular seems to contemplate some type of negative PR type of issues: “g) Wrestler commits any act with Promoter believes, in its reasonable business judgment, would damage Wrestler's or Promoter's reputation and/or that of its affiliate, licensees, or assigns or otherwise damages the value or integrity of the Programs, the Works or the Merchandise of which could subject Wrestler to criminal prosecution; (h) Wrestler commits any act (other than in character in accordance with direction provided to Wrestler by Promoter's Creative team) which places or could place Wrestler or Promoter (or any of its affiliates) in a patently negative light;” So it would seemingly apply here. I think the lesson here is that Impact needs to make their contracts more Company-friendly and easier to get out of. Yeah when this started I said either Joey Ryan is full of shit or Impact's HR department are morons. It's looking more like the latter if they actually included a clause about not being able to terminate someone immediately for something this egregious. They may be able to wiggle out of this because its vague but the first expression you have hammered into your hwad during HR training is the words "Legally Defensible". I can almost guarantee you that there are outs of those clauses
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