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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 22, 2020 15:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah, AEW has rightfully been criticized for not really taking a stand on the Speaking Out movement, aside from sending Havoc to rehab. Now there's a clear example of what happens when you say and do stupid shit.
As far as I'm aware, no one else in AEW has a confirmed story, with Ariela Nyx's accusation not specifying who her assailant was (and per her wishes, I will not speculate on who that is). This is the sort of thing I was hoping to see from AEW management, even if Sammy's punishment is harsher than I would have personally done.
EDIT: There's still Justin Roberts, so I hope that gets dealt with.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 22, 2020 15:21:57 GMT -5
Glad he apologized personally to her,that is what most matters to me
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 22, 2020 15:22:40 GMT -5
My original comment on this was way too confrontational, I can totally understand people being disgusted and repulsed at what Sammy said, hell, I am too and it doesn't matter when it happened, sexual assault is nothing to joke about. However I do think suspending him was the right move and I can't say that I agree with wanting him fired like I've seen on Twitter, because there's nothing that he can do to change it and it seems harsh to fire someone, even if they did something as stupid as what Sammy did; also because he and Sasha have spoken about it and I think that Sammy deserves a second chance.
Now, if he puts his foot in his mouth like this in the future, I'll be less inclined to forgiving him.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 15:24:29 GMT -5
The only reason I'd want to fire Sammy for this is if he said it while under AEW employ and was completely non-apologetic about it. And since that isn't the case, I think a suspension is appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 15:29:27 GMT -5
I can't believe that people want Sammy fired; like, he said a horrible, vile thing, he apologised, he and Sasha sorted it out but people still want him fired; what the f*** else is he meant to do? Turn back time and stop himself from saying it? What more do people want?? Do we just live in a world where people aren't allowed to make mistakes anymore? Eh, pull back man. This is another one of those things where everyone has a different opinion on it. Like, a lot of your threads and comments in the past revolve around people having a different opinion and this is the same except a different topic. We all have different backgrounds, experiences and situations that form different mindsets. We don't have to agree with everyone but we must acknowledge and respect them.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 22, 2020 15:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think this reaction from AEW is fine. Sammy has seemingly apologised to Sasha and she's accepted it, he's owned his comments and is doing something to ensure it doesn't happen again. Once the sensitivity training is done I'd bring him back with the mutual agreement that anything like it in future results in an immediate firing.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 22, 2020 15:35:05 GMT -5
I can't believe that people want Sammy fired; like, he said a horrible, vile thing, he apologised, he and Sasha sorted it out but people still want him fired; what the f*** else is he meant to do? Turn back time and stop himself from saying it? What more do people want?? Do we just live in a world where people aren't allowed to make mistakes anymore? Eh, pull back man. This is another one of those things where everyone has a different opinion on it. Like, a lot of your threads and comments in the past revolve around people having a different opinion and this is the same except a different topic. We all have different backgrounds, experiences and situations that form different mindsets. We don't have to agree with everyone but we must acknowledge and respect them. Hence why I went back and redid it because it was too confrontational; I just hope that Sammy proves that he has changed because if he puts his foot in his mouth at this level in the future, I doubt he'll get as many people saying that he should get a second chance, if he says anything even close to this in the future, I know I won't be as willing to give him another chance.
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Post by chrom on Jun 22, 2020 15:37:40 GMT -5
Safe to say he's on the thinnest of ice right now.
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Post by bob on Jun 22, 2020 15:39:12 GMT -5
I'll give Sammy credit for owning up to what he said and personally calling Sasha to apologize
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 22, 2020 15:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I think this reaction from AEW is fine. Sammy has seemingly apologised to Sasha and she's accepted it, he's owned his comments and is doing something to ensure it doesn't happen again. Once the sensitivity training is done I'd bring him back with the mutual agreement that anything like it in future results in an immediate firing. Has sensitivity training ever worked in any capacity? So many Organizations have them yet I've never seen any real evidence of them being anything other than a CYA tactic.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 22, 2020 15:46:25 GMT -5
Also, I don't see them firing Sammy for one very simple reason: Chris Jericho.
I could see Jericho raising hell about that if it happens because the fact of the matter is that AEW needs him more than he needs AEW.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 22, 2020 15:46:38 GMT -5
Hager is not under acusation Yet. He's also made some abhorrent comments on social media. It’s the reason I stopped following him on Twitter. Which, admittedly, was done a good six months or so prior to his AEW debut.
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Post by slaughterama on Jun 22, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -5
Linda Hogan has been punished worse by AEW and she doesn't even work there. So f****** what? Who said anything about Linda Hogan? In terms of Sammy's punishment being too severe? Tony Khan's reaction to Linda Hogan shows that Sammy got a tap on the wrist. Sammy made racists comments and said he wanted to rape someone. A person that made a racist comment that doesn't even work there was so horrible that the owner of the owner ran to his Twitter looking for clout by announcing he's banning that person from his company. So people that don't work there will be banned for making racist comments, but make a racist comment and throw in a rape comment to boot, and you get a suspension. So yeah, I'd say too severe isn't what he got. He got as light a punishment as you could probably get. I mean, if Tony isn't playing favorites, or doesn't think Sammy might make him money one day, wouldn't Sammy be banned from his company as well? Or are there degrees of acceptable racist and rape comments?
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jun 22, 2020 15:50:27 GMT -5
Glad they're doing something fairly direct about it, even if "extensive sensitivity training" doesn't exactly fill me with hope, lol.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 22, 2020 15:51:43 GMT -5
So f****** what? Who said anything about Linda Hogan? In terms of Sammy's punishment being too severe? Tony Khan's reaction to Linda Hogan shows that Sammy got a tap on the wrist. Sammy made racists comments and said he wanted to rape someone. A person that made a racist comment that doesn't even work there was so horrible that the owner of the owner ran to his Twitter looking for clout by announcing he's banning that person from his company. So people that don't work there will be banned for making racist comments, but make a racist comment and throw in a rape comment to boot, and you get a suspension. So yeah, I'd say too severe isn't what he got. He got as light a punishment as you could probably get. I mean, if Tony isn't playing favorites, or doesn't think Sammy might make him money one day, wouldn't Sammy be banned from his company as well? Or are there degrees of acceptable racist and rape comments? Linda Hogan doesn't work for AEW. Banning her is like banning some idiot from the crowd that ran into the ring. If you can't tell the difference between that, and someone who's under contract with AEW? I don't actually know what to tell you.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 22, 2020 15:53:02 GMT -5
Linda Hogan has been punished worse by AEW and she doesn't even work there. No. No she f***ing wasn't. Linda Hogan is not employed by them and was not making any money off of them. Her being "banned" from going to a show is no different than a problematic fan no longer being allowed to attend. The fact that this keeps getting brought up when we have way better things to be talking about is annoying. She also likely has zero interest at attending an AEW show even if she was allowed.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 15:55:14 GMT -5
Preventing someone from attending a wrestling show is not nearly as severe a "punishment" as taking someone's livelihood away. Especially as I doubt Linda Hogan had much of any interest in going to AEW shows to begin with. Enough of that nonsense.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 22, 2020 15:56:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I think this reaction from AEW is fine. Sammy has seemingly apologised to Sasha and she's accepted it, he's owned his comments and is doing something to ensure it doesn't happen again. Once the sensitivity training is done I'd bring him back with the mutual agreement that anything like it in future results in an immediate firing. Has sensitivity training ever worked in any capacity? So many Organizations have them yet I've never seen any real evidence of them being anything other than a CYA tactic. If I had to wager, this is less about Sammy getting training and more about sending a message to the entire roster about stuff like this: "We know this guy said, not did, something bad, and he even apologized for it both privately and publicly, but we're still suspending him, donating his pay, and not even publicly committing to bringing him back. Don't @#$% up in this area, period." Havoc's substance abuse and mental health issues makes his a more unique case, and I guess we'll see what happens with Justin Roberts. I felt like this might've been an overly harsh reaction for this particular situation, given it wasn't recent/Sammy's public handling of it, but as part of the larger currently ongoing issues it feels more like a universal warning to everyone to keep their noses clean, and maybe to admit to any bad skeletons in their closet now rather than waiting for stuff to appear online and having to react. I don't know if that's the case, obviously, none of us are privy to AEW's inner workings on stuff like that; I usually don't like when a company does something like that since I'm more pro-labor and prefer there to be universal standards for disciplinary issues. But for a private business that works with a lot of people who are there once a week/work other places at the same time, I would at least understand the reasoning behind it.
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Post by markymark on Jun 22, 2020 15:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 16:05:23 GMT -5
I think sensitivity training works for people that are open to it working. If you really think about it, a lot of people who learn about their (racial/sexual/gender/class) privilege and how it manifests itself in everyday life are undergoing their own kind of self-imposed sensitivity training.
If Sammy is that kind of person or not, I don't know. But humans are fully capable of learning and growing out of problematic pasts.
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