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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 2, 2021 4:00:30 GMT -5
The internet wasn't that big back then. It was a lot easier to just believe something. That rumour was unique to Manson, but some just get transferred. I remember a girl, younger than me at work telling me another crazy Manson rumours. I said, go home and ask your parents, those rumours have been about Ozzy and Alice Cooper and Frank Zappa. Names, she never heard of, but her parents would know. Yup, this happens with a lot of folks - I think I heard the story about sprinkling speed on their cornflakes about every lead vocalist for a British punk or post punk band
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Jul 2, 2021 4:27:44 GMT -5
That rumour was unique to Manson, but some just get transferred. I remember a girl, younger than me at work telling me another crazy Manson rumours. I said, go home and ask your parents, those rumours have been about Ozzy and Alice Cooper and Frank Zappa. Names, she never heard of, but her parents would know. Yup, this happens with a lot of folks - I think I heard the story about sprinkling speed on their cornflakes about every lead vocalist for a British punk or post punk band or the one about Marc Almond and the 7 other men.....and a dog.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 2, 2021 12:41:13 GMT -5
Jesus.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 2, 2021 13:38:35 GMT -5
While I can agree with what the cartoonist is going for, can't imagine any victims would wanna see that.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 2, 2021 16:21:20 GMT -5
As f***ed up as this is, I hope it doesn't open a lifeline to the likes of Weinstein etc.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 2, 2021 17:46:26 GMT -5
Yea, as shitty as it is, you have to be "fair" They f***ed themselves over on an easy target who admitted to doing all of this and still acts like he did nothing wrong. He's on OJ time right now tho. He does anything stupid, even littering and they throwing the book at him He only admitted the things he did because he knew he had immunity. Without that he pleads the 5th and those cases go nowhere. They used his testimony to basically paint him as a predator. He never said he raped anyone but saying he did drugs with them before sex looks awful. In the 70s and 80s tons of people dropped ludes before banging, it was common. Doesn't change how it looks now though or that he could have easily taken advantage. But what it all comes down to is they essentially violated his 5th amendment rights which is a huge no-no. Especially for a judge to just let it go, they all got caught up in MeToo and forgot the law has rules. It really sucks, the dude is very clearly a straight up predator and rapist, but I can’t in good conscience go along with civil rights being broken to secure a conviction. This was the appropriate outcome, even if the original arrangement was questionable as all f***. If a verbal contract between you and I can legally be held up in court, so should a verbal contract regarding immunity even if it’s very suspect it wasn’t officially put in writing like a normal immunity agreement.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 2, 2021 17:48:18 GMT -5
Shouldn't most of the rage be aimed towards to prosecuting judge who made that deal? I think we're losing sight that Bill wasn't exonerated.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jul 2, 2021 18:04:08 GMT -5
Bill Cosby is freed, but Britney Spears isn’t?
I hate it here.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 2, 2021 19:10:54 GMT -5
He only admitted the things he did because he knew he had immunity. Without that he pleads the 5th and those cases go nowhere. They used his testimony to basically paint him as a predator. He never said he raped anyone but saying he did drugs with them before sex looks awful. In the 70s and 80s tons of people dropped ludes before banging, it was common. Doesn't change how it looks now though or that he could have easily taken advantage. But what it all comes down to is they essentially violated his 5th amendment rights which is a huge no-no. Especially for a judge to just let it go, they all got caught up in MeToo and forgot the law has rules. It really sucks, the dude is very clearly a straight up predator and rapist, but I can’t in good conscience go along with civil rights being broken to secure a conviction. This was the appropriate outcome, even if the original arrangement was questionable as all f***. If a verbal contract between you and I can legally be held up in court, so should a verbal contract regarding immunity even if it’s very suspect it wasn’t officially put in writing like a normal immunity agreement. well it probably would've held up better the first time if Castor could keep his f***ing story about it straight. from the Philadelphia Inquirer: www.inquirer.com/news/bruce-castor-agreement-bill-cosby-release-pa-supreme-court-20210702.htmlon the small plus side of this whole saga, Bill Cosby wasn't the only piece of shit Andrea Constand sued over this whole mess philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/02/01/andrea-constand-settles-defamation-lawsuit-against-former-montgomery-county-da-bruce-castor/
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 2, 2021 20:20:55 GMT -5
As f***ed up as this is, I hope it doesn't open a lifeline to the likes of Weinstein etc. And right on cue… I am also deleting my post with the cartoon. I didn’t consider it would be triggering for any victims and I apologize for anyone it hurt.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 3, 2021 6:37:33 GMT -5
I just hope people don't start with "separating the art from the artist" shit. This is so tied closely with the rights and justice of rape victims, and cosby's work being supported in anyway let's him act(even more) like he's too important to be condemned. Similar to how jk rowling uses the popularity of harry potter to try to shield herself from criticism.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 3, 2021 17:17:10 GMT -5
I just hope people don't start with "separating the art from the artist" shit. This is so tied closely with the rights and justice of rape victims, and cosby's work being supported in anyway let's him act(even more) like he's too important to be condemned. Similar to how jk rowling uses the popularity of harry potter to try to shield herself from criticism. I think he lost his crowd. I’m sure someone will say it, but most comedy related things I’ve seen have dismissed him. Bill Maher has said he always hated him, Jerry Seinfeld has said he can’t separate the art and artist, and Family Guy has teed off him several times.
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Post by thechase on Jul 4, 2021 15:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by fw91 on Jul 4, 2021 16:39:38 GMT -5
seriously, who would go to see him?
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Post by Cyno on Jul 4, 2021 16:44:00 GMT -5
God f*** off Cosby you piece of human shit.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 4, 2021 17:36:28 GMT -5
seriously, who would go to see him? People with an ample supply of tomatoes presumably.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 4, 2021 18:46:47 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, he really is pretentious. He's also delusional if he thinks cheering crowds are gonna greet him. I can see the blow back to this being super massive. The people who actually defend him are such a tiny fringe.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 4, 2021 19:47:20 GMT -5
Who in their right mind would actually un-ironically go and pay to see that man? It’s not even worth it to buy a ticket to boo him because it just goes into his pocket. Just woooooow.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 4, 2021 19:53:00 GMT -5
He was able to fool some people into thinking this was some "For the Culture" bullshit and that White America set him up, even though he was the king of respectability politics.
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