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Post by Germansuplex on Jul 22, 2020 4:55:14 GMT -5
Came here to post this. No joke, he sounds like one of those boomers who are baffled that millennials can't afford houses. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2020 4:58:45 GMT -5
I mean, she can take offence, but he was offering some advice alongside and with some crazy Booker style ranting. He wasnt being malicious as far as I can tell, so I dont know why she felt the need to give him some attitude back. He didn't really give advice, he said that she'd be better off if he trained her--while also implying that as she is right now, she is undeserving of a prominent position. "Make your own breaks and rise to the occasion" isn't advice, it's a motivational poster. And in a modern WWE landscape, where do those breaks and occasions come from? If you’re set a three minute match where you don’t have much offense, do you make that offense look good and risk the office seeing you as a Dolph Ziggler/Kevin Owens type? There doesn’t seem to be that opportunity to do that as there was even, say, in the Attitude Era or the Ruthless Aggression era where there were more characters. |
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Post by Bad Moon on Jul 22, 2020 5:05:11 GMT -5
More empty bullshit brass ring rhetoric, which isn't surprising but it does kinda surprise me to hear it from Booker of all people. You expect that kind of nonsense from the hardline WWE ride-or-die people, not someone who spent most of his active career in other companies.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 22, 2020 5:27:07 GMT -5
He didn't really give advice, he said that she'd be better off if he trained her--while also implying that as she is right now, she is undeserving of a prominent position. "Make your own breaks and rise to the occasion" isn't advice, it's a motivational poster. And in a modern WWE landscape, where do those breaks and occasions come from? If you’re set a three minute match where you don’t have much offense, do you make that offense look good and risk the office seeing you as a Dolph Ziggler/Kevin Owens type? There doesn’t seem to be that opportunity to do that as there was even, say, in the Attitude Era or the Ruthless Aggression era where there were more characters. The advice of every old-timer who just doesn't get how the company is run today comes down to the same impossible things that nobody can ever do. And even when someone does break out, they just cut them off however they can anyway. If you aren't intended to get over then you are not allowed to get over and if something gets run with and blows up past the point you're meant for, f*** you for getting over, we're going to ruin it. Which is insane, and no wonder people whose heyday was over a decade ago have no idea what problems the roster's struggling with now, but it's kind of nuts how nobody can see past the 'nobody has motivation' vanity lens of how they made it to the top to realize the show right now just doesn't let people do this shit. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 22, 2020 5:30:02 GMT -5
More empty bullshit brass ring rhetoric, which isn't surprising but it does kinda surprise me to hear it from Booker of all people. You expect that kind of nonsense from the hardline WWE ride-or-die people, not someone who spent most of his active career in other companies. Wrestlers are money marks. Pay them and their opinion suddenly lightens. |
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Post by ada2 on Jul 22, 2020 7:31:33 GMT -5
Not everyone can have a top level run, it’s just the nature of the industry.
She has had her run, she has had WrestleMania moments as well and she has always been pushed and protected as well.
I get what Booker is saying and I get where she is coming from as well, but she has had her turn and now it is someone else’s turn. At the end of the day Vince has the final say and if your not in his plans you just gotta do what’s asked if you
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 22, 2020 7:36:37 GMT -5
Not everyone can have a top level run, it’s just the nature of the industry. She has had her run, she has had WrestleMania moments as well and she has always been pushed and protected as well. I get what Booker is saying and I get where she is coming from as well, but she has had her turn and now it is someone else’s turn. At the end of the day Vince has the final say and if your not in his plans you just gotta do what’s asked if you If the fans are still into her....why not give it another shot? Ignoring the fans is a thing they like to do for no reason it seems. Also some roster members (mostly men) have been on top for 15 years. Naomi getting a better tv presence (not necessarily the title which isn’t the point) won’t hurt anyone. And on my personal note not related to your post, I see people clamor for Liv Morgan and Peyton Royce being competent in the ring, yet Naomi isn’t given that luxury. I find it odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 7:37:37 GMT -5
As others have probably pointed out, this is just Booker T loving himself and a lot.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 22, 2020 7:58:13 GMT -5
Not everyone can have a top level run, it’s just the nature of the industry. She has had her run, she has had WrestleMania moments as well and she has always been pushed and protected as well. I get what Booker is saying and I get where she is coming from as well, but she has had her turn and now it is someone else’s turn. At the end of the day Vince has the final say and if your not in his plans you just gotta do what’s asked if you I'd just like to say by your own logic, after Cena's WrestleMania 21 win, they would have gone "Hey John, great moment, we're just now going to have a tiny bit of a run for you and then have you lose to our next guy because you had your turn and it's now someone else's." Because I'll tell you right now, if Cena didn't have the run he did, we'd be talking about a very different WWE right now. They sure as hell wouldn't be worth $5.4bn for one. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 22, 2020 8:21:08 GMT -5
This might be a weird place for this opinion, but it is laughable to watch people mock Bret Hart for being a mark while saying, “No one wins titles. You didn’t earn it. You were chosen.” Then that same company turns around and tells people they haven’t “grabbed that brass ring.”
Which one is it? Booker T is mostly just a corporate shill so he shouldn’t bother me but he still does. He went from walking on to WCW in chains to being the star he is. Did he earn it or not according to WWE?
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Post by thechase on Jul 22, 2020 8:22:27 GMT -5
Booker is heeling up like this to sort of give the movement a little more spark I feel.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jul 22, 2020 8:34:10 GMT -5
"There is no buddy system. 'Well, such and such has a buddy and that's why they're doing it.' That might be true, but life is not fair."
He's not very bright, is he?
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 22, 2020 9:03:33 GMT -5
I do agree that Naomi still sometimes lacks that flow in the ring, to go with the athleticism she definitely has. The gaps between the big stuff.
More time and good opponents should help that improve further.
Everything else is pretty much rubbish. And I would still absolutely push her right now, even to the point of a title run. I'd love to see it. She's got a good gimmick, energetic style and charisma.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 22, 2020 9:25:50 GMT -5
love booker t's logic here of there's no buddy system, but there might also be
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 22, 2020 10:54:57 GMT -5
One this I will agree with Booker on though is that Naomi is super athletic, but the psychology is just not there when she wrestles. A lot of pauses, hesitations, stuff like that. She’s like a less talented Bianca Belair imo.
Of course in saying that, that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t deserve to have decent women’s midcard storylines of course. Maybe not main title, but there’s no reason she needs to lose to people in 3 minutes and be apart of stupid ass karaoke/dance time waster segments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 11:01:48 GMT -5
More brass ring bullshit from a guy who, frankly, should know better. I'm not a super fan of Naomi by any means but isn't being mega over with crowds and getting social media attention pretty much the modern day definition of "making your own break?" Goddamn it, Booker.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 22, 2020 11:10:08 GMT -5
I'm glad someone called Booker out on his usual WWE apologist bullshit. I hope he's embarrassed and it sits with him.
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Post by Fade on Jul 22, 2020 11:11:37 GMT -5
More empty bullshit brass ring rhetoric, which isn't surprising but it does kinda surprise me to hear it from Booker of all people. You expect that kind of nonsense from the hardline WWE ride-or-die people, not someone who spent most of his active career in other companies. Have people not been noticing the last few years that Booker comes off absolutely as a WWE ride-or-die?? lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 14:47:26 GMT -5
"There is no buddy system. 'Well, such and such has a buddy and that's why they're doing it.' That might be true, but life is not fair." He's not very bright, is he? Well, I've never enjoyed his commentary because it's good. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 22, 2020 18:34:25 GMT -5
No one earns anything in a company where careers are made or broken by a senile old man who should have retired 20 years ago.
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