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Post by hulksmash87 on Jul 26, 2020 10:56:13 GMT -5
What was it in your opinion? To me it’s two that go together, first having taz beat Mike awesome and then after that dreamer winning the title only to lose it to Justin credible a minute later. They should have had dreamer beat awesome, and at least lose it to credible in a match not the way they did it.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 26, 2020 11:12:56 GMT -5
RVD not winning the World Title during his original ECW run.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jul 26, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -5
RVD not winning the World Title during his original ECW run. I dunno. His elevation of the TV title did a lot for the company, and I think Heyman always knew RVD was destined for bigger things. If there'd been financial resources to lock him down for a long time it would make sense, but this is ECW.
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Post by moonpies88 on Jul 26, 2020 11:15:02 GMT -5
putting the belt on Justin Credible I dont hate the guy but a bad choice
Rhino or Lance Storm would have been better
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jul 26, 2020 11:39:23 GMT -5
Letting a fat teenager wrestle a hardcore match against New Jack?
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jul 26, 2020 12:57:50 GMT -5
This is actually hard to answer. Stuff like Credible as world champion was obviously less than ideal, but happened at a time when he probably seemed like the best choice, and there was a coherent thought process behind it.
I think it's probably something silly, like Lou E. Dangerously, or the Network angle with the payoff being Cyrus vs. Joel Gertner on PPV, which was the kind of thing that WWE or WCW would (correctly) get absolutely rinsed for doing.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 26, 2020 13:40:21 GMT -5
Letting a fat teenager wrestle a hardcore match against New Jack? DING DING DING
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Post by chazraps on Jul 26, 2020 14:08:19 GMT -5
putting the belt on Justin Credible I dont hate the guy but a bad choice Rhino or Lance Storm would have been better
Rhino was still super new and Storm was already in WCW by that point.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 26, 2020 14:38:45 GMT -5
Outside of stuff mentioned, they stuck with Shane Douglas too long when he was injured as world champion. Sure, it gave Taz an ax to grind, but it was still squandering the title.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 14:41:31 GMT -5
I have only watched like 6 months of it but Mikey Whipwreck....
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 26, 2020 14:44:36 GMT -5
It's tough to go with the world title booking in 2000 because they ran into a variety of issues with Storm/Awesome leaving and RVD getting injured all around the same time. So I don't mind Justin getting in. I do think they should have pivoted it quickly back to RVD when he returned a few months later. Ideally you like to build up to a strong chase but at that point business wise, I am not sure they could afford to go that long. Not to say that they'd have remained in business if Rob got it, but it could have helped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 15:00:39 GMT -5
None made a difference because they were already screwed financially but 99 had some real headscratchers Panicking because Douglas had quit and bringing back Sid (who'd already walked out once before) to make Credible and Storm look like jobbers on PPV Holding off on big moments like Lynn beating Van Dam for the TV Title or Van Dam winning the world title for TNN and then delaying it again once TNN started
Putting the world title on a guy who couldn't do promos and giving him a manager who couldn't do them either Having the big Rob Van Dam vs Taz match mean nothing because Taz in the weeks before was losing to everyone Bringing back Raven and having him do the tired "partners that hate each other" thing with Dreamer for months
Pissing off TNN early in the relationship by showing old PPV matches while having fresh matches air on the syndicated show
Airing that really tacky and exploitative Tammy Sytch interview on TNN
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 15:16:45 GMT -5
I have only watched like 6 months of it but Mikey Whipwreck.... Please explain. What was the mistake, in your opinion? I can't say that it was a mistake. I can only say from my own perspective that starting to watch ECW during a time when they have a lesser version of 1-2-3 Kid beating their top guys (and Steve Austin) was pretty hard to take seriously or really care about.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 26, 2020 15:33:14 GMT -5
The RVD injury was a dual whammy. He never got the world title and he also never finally, at long last, put over Jerry Lynn for the TV title. Of course by that point Lynn had lost about 10,389 times so getting 1 win wouldn't exactly be all that newsworthy. That was the irony of the late era ECW: Lynn was a glorified jobber for RVD all those times, but it was he and not RVD that actually won the world title.
That said, not putting the belt on RVD is more of a non move than a booking move. As far as actual moves go, putting it on Awesome. It led to some solid matches with Tanaka but those could have easily been non title. But panicking and putting the title on Awesome screwed up the RVD/Taz match that was brewing for all of 1999 and it ended up being a heatless affair at N2R.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jul 26, 2020 15:37:42 GMT -5
Feuds going to long like FBI and Tajiri/Mikey Whipwreck
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Post by hulksmash87 on Jul 26, 2020 15:59:43 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t they have done rvd vs taz in October 99 as taz’s last match for the belt
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 26, 2020 17:19:04 GMT -5
Putting the title on someone they didn't intend to pay.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 27, 2020 0:18:02 GMT -5
I know I'm usually in the minority when I say this, but man, Mike Awesome should've never touched that title. Hadn't been with the company in months when he won it, was no where near the main event picture when he was previously with the company, and, other then some vague notion of him losing it to RVD down the line, they had absolutely nothing lined up for him to do while he's champ. It's basically the equivalent of someone like Luke Harper/Brodie Lee managing to get out of his AEW contract and showing up at SummerSlam and winning the WWE Title from McIntyre. Then, because all the actual main eventers are busy with other stuff, he spends the next few months defending against guys who usually only work 205 Live.
The massive downturn in quality of ECW's output in 2000 and 2001 can all be traced back to this panic move by Paul Heyman.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jul 27, 2020 1:04:20 GMT -5
My opinion is when they showed up on Raw. They were an alternative, but then just became another tool of the WWE. I think with Paul E taking money from Vince, and all the associations between the E and Paul, and the momentary popularity of the shows, helped Vince understand that copying the ECW formula, helping to create the attitude era, eventually led to ECW dying. It took a year or two, but by 99 all the lost talent and ideas, had rendered ECW kind of old news. Even the TV show was just a way for Vince to test the waters of a move to Viacom.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 27, 2020 5:17:37 GMT -5
This is actually hard to answer. Stuff like Credible as world champion was obviously less than ideal, but happened at a time when he probably seemed like the best choice, and there was a coherent thought process behind it. I think it's probably something silly, like Lou E. Dangerously, or the Network angle with the payoff being Cyrus vs. Joel Gertner on PPV, which was the kind of thing that WWE or WCW would (correctly) get absolutely rinsed for doing.THIS! As an ECW lover for most of the mid-90s this was easily the worst major storyline they had. The Mass Transit incident did hurt the product. At the time you had to trade tapes to even see it. Any negative impact it had was felt more behind the scenes. Mike Awesome leaving stunk but his title reign was great as a fan, along with losing the title to Taz. RVD not winning the World title didn’t adversely effect ECW. So far out of all the suggestions, to me, The Network storyline is the easy choice
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