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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 8, 2020 8:45:09 GMT -5
I feel like so many things they wanted to do were derailed for different reasons and not all due to the pandemic. It is quite obvious a lot of the things they wanted to do or push just didn't connect and then you had injuries like what happened with Statlander and then Brit being out. Ultimately the division got put in the back burner and AEW deserves criticism for that but they can turn that around Yeah. Stratlander injured. Baker injured. Priestly, Riho, Yuka and Shanna stopped by travel restrictions. Shida already beat Abadon, Anna Jay, Nyla Rose, Diamante and Penelope. They only have two hours on Dynamite, and again, with injuries, travel restrictions and running out of opponents the division fell apart. Obviously AEW realizes problems and tries to fix them, so they probably pulled Shida, and decided to do something on the anniversary show, with the image of all the women. I think the critique is warranted to an extent, Shida could have used a program after the Thunder Rosa, but again it seems like they're doing a reboot, like they've done to things not working.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 8, 2020 8:48:21 GMT -5
Ok I'm just gonna say it, they clearly don't care about this division. It feels like a necessity. They rarely have a story, are held down to one segment a show and as it was brought up in the live thread, it's always the second to last match. Almost like it's a breather for the closing event. Shida has not been present in two weeks, they gave Nyla a manager and then she did nothing, Britt returned last week and had no appearance tonight. And I don't want to hear Oh all the talent is missing etc. No that's bullshit, they have plenty of talent. Abadon, Shida,Britt, Nyla, Ivelisse, Diamante, Penelope, Anna Jay, Tay Conti and so on. It's pretty damn embarrassing at this point. Especially for a company that touted about how great they would do with women Reminds me of when the WWE women would only get a match right before Raw or Smackdown's main event every week, before #GiveDivasAChance happened. The Horsewomen were putting on great work in NXT, but the other two brands still weren't using the women nearly as well. Kylie Rae going from AEW to Impact is making her look even more justified now.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 8, 2020 9:04:27 GMT -5
Ok I'm just gonna say it, they clearly don't care about this division. It feels like a necessity. They rarely have a story, are held down to one segment a show and as it was brought up in the live thread, it's always the second to last match. Almost like it's a breather for the closing event. Shida has not been present in two weeks, they gave Nyla a manager and then she did nothing, Britt returned last week and had no appearance tonight. And I don't want to hear Oh all the talent is missing etc. No that's bullshit, they have plenty of talent. Abadon, Shida,Britt, Nyla, Ivelisse, Diamante, Penelope, Anna Jay, Tay Conti and so on. It's pretty damn embarrassing at this point. Especially for a company that touted about how great they would do with women Reminds me of when the WWE women would only get a match right before Raw or Smackdown's main event every week, before #GiveDivasAChance happened. The Horsewomen were putting on great work in NXT, but the other two brands still weren't using the women nearly as well. Kylie Rae going from AEW to Impact is making her look even more justified now.Indeed it is. At first, I was miffed at Kylie for her choice but now I understand why she decided the way she did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 9:31:24 GMT -5
Kylie Rae going from AEW to Impact is making her look even more justified now. I mean Kylie by her own admission left because she wasn't ready mentally or emotionally to be a focal point of a women's division on a nationally-broadcast television show. Trying to frame it as her leaving because of some dissatisfaction with the women's division is really disingenuous IMO.
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Post by holyshida on Oct 8, 2020 9:33:16 GMT -5
The lack of Shida is really starting to piss me off now. She hasn't been on TV in 2 weeks and isn't advertised for the anniversary show either. She doesn't need to be in a match every week but at least showcase her in Vignettes or promo packages so we have our champion at least on TV. She hasn't had a singles match since all out.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 8, 2020 9:54:13 GMT -5
Kylie Rae left when she AEW women division still had focus and plenty of talent.People will just try to push her leaving whenever possible
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 8, 2020 10:21:44 GMT -5
Kylie Rae going from AEW to Impact is making her look even more justified now. I mean Kylie by her own admission left because she wasn't ready mentally or emotionally to be a focal point of a women's division on a nationally-broadcast television show. Trying to frame it as her leaving because of some dissatisfaction with the women's division is really disingenuous IMO. I know it's not the reason she left, but she probably is better off with the character development she's had on Impact compared to what AEW would have given her on Dynamite regularly. Not the first time I've made a post that sounded good in my head but came off poor in execution though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 10:33:18 GMT -5
I know it's not the reason she left, but she probably is better off with the character development she's had on Impact compared to what AEW would have given her on Dynamite regularly. Not the first time I've made a post that sounded good in my head but came off poor in execution though. No worries, I get what you mean now (and have definitely put my foot in my mouth on more than one occasion when posting). I think that considering the circumstances that AEW has largely done okay with their women's division overall. The trouble is, of the women officially signed to AEW (the ones listed on the website), there's really only 12 possible opponents available to Shida when you factor in travel restrictions, injuries and so on. Of those 12, Shida has already had programs with 3 of them (Nyla, Britt and Penelope), 2 of the others (Brandi and Anna) are feuding with each other, and 1 (Leva) is primarily a manager. That leaves 6 fresh opponents - Abadon (still a work in progress), Allie (could work in theory), Big Swole (is being built-up), Mel (lol no), Serena (could work in theory), and Tay (still a work in progress). There's basically no roster depth at the moment, so while I wish Shida was a more consistent presence, I understand AEW doing a drip-feed of women's matches, because otherwise they'd burn through every possible match combo in a couple of months.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 8, 2020 10:53:13 GMT -5
I know it's not the reason she left, but she probably is better off with the character development she's had on Impact compared to what AEW would have given her on Dynamite regularly. Not the first time I've made a post that sounded good in my head but came off poor in execution though. No worries, I get what you mean now (and have definitely put my foot in my mouth on more than one occasion when posting). I think that considering the circumstances that AEW has largely done okay with their women's division overall. The trouble is, of the women officially signed to AEW (the ones listed on the website), there's really only 12 possible opponents available to Shida when you factor in travel restrictions, injuries and so on. Of those 12, Shida has already had programs with 3 of them (Nyla, Britt and Penelope), 2 of the others (Brandi and Anna) are feuding with each other, and 1 (Leva) is primarily a manager. That leaves 6 fresh opponents - Abadon (still a work in progress), Allie (could work in theory), Big Swole (is being built-up), Mel (lol no), Serena (could work in theory), and Tay (still a work in progress). There's basically no roster depth at the moment, so while I wish Shida was a more consistent presence, I understand AEW doing a drip-feed of women's matches, because otherwise they'd burn through every possible match combo in a couple of months. That’s plenty of roster to feature several of these individuals each week. Have them interact in actual storylines too, like Swole and Baker were able to do. It doesn’t just have to be a series of one on one matches featuring Shida. There’s clearly a ton more thought and creativity being put into the other divisions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 11:18:35 GMT -5
That’s plenty of roster to feature several of these individuals each week. Have them interact in actual storylines too, like Swole and Baker were able to do. It doesn’t just have to be a series of one on one matches featuring Shida. There’s clearly a ton more thought and creativity being put into the other divisions. Right, I was phrasing my answer more in the context of "why the champion isn't on TV each week" since that's my main issue with the division. Of the current prominent women, you have Anna and Brandi in a blood feud, Swole is being built-up, Britt is slowly but surely having regular matches again, and Nyla still ostensibly has her title rematch. You could potentially be building up all of those women, plus Shida, each week, but then you run into the problem of "how do you feature all of them with only two hours of television?" Let's look at last night for example. They could've had Nyla run in on Swole after the match and have Shida make the save, maybe have the Anna/Brandi stuff factor into the dog collar match, but that's about the most I can think of that doesn't involve cutting significant time from any of the other segments, all of which served to progress feuds and storylines (even the masturbatory Jericho stuff at the end advanced the MJF story). The men's roster is way, way bigger than the women's, and other than the champions and top-level guys it's never guaranteed we see any of them each week, so the women are at an even greater disadvantage. So I think they could do more but are also largely bound by only having two hours of TV a week to feature everyone.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 8, 2020 11:29:59 GMT -5
I feel like so many things they wanted to do were derailed for different reasons and not all due to the pandemic. It is quite obvious a lot of the things they wanted to do or push just didn't connect and then you had injuries like what happened with Statlander and then Brit being out. Ultimately the division got put in the back burner and AEW deserves criticism for that but they can turn that around Yeah. Stratlander injured. Baker injured. Priestly, Riho, Yuka and Shanna stopped by travel restrictions. Shida already beat Abadon, Anna Jay, Nyla Rose, Diamante and Penelope. They only have two hours on Dynamite, and again, with injuries, travel restrictions and running out of opponents the division fell apart. Obviously AEW realizes problems and tries to fix them, so they probably pulled Shida, and decided to do something on the anniversary show, with the image of all the women. I think the critique is warranted to an extent, Shida could have used a program after the Thunder Rosa, but again it seems like they're doing a reboot, like they've done to things not working. Yeah and to back up my earlier point I just dont think some of the people they wanted earlier to be vocal points really meshed or caught on. Britt has since the heel turn but was a dud as a face. Nyla I get the impression that she really hasn't caught on with the fans (thats speculation). And before the travel bans you had a lot of women with other commitments. The original idea was a Joshi highlight division and that was a dud. Bea Priestley was gonna be a big part of the division and she was a dud. I also get the impression Nyla just isn't connecting like they hoped she would Again sucks but can improve from that. Learn and grow
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 8, 2020 11:55:48 GMT -5
Yeah. Stratlander injured. Baker injured. Priestly, Riho, Yuka and Shanna stopped by travel restrictions. Shida already beat Abadon, Anna Jay, Nyla Rose, Diamante and Penelope. They only have two hours on Dynamite, and again, with injuries, travel restrictions and running out of opponents the division fell apart. Obviously AEW realizes problems and tries to fix them, so they probably pulled Shida, and decided to do something on the anniversary show, with the image of all the women. I think the critique is warranted to an extent, Shida could have used a program after the Thunder Rosa, but again it seems like they're doing a reboot, like they've done to things not working. Yeah and to back up my earlier point I just dont think some of the people they wanted earlier to be vocal points really meshed or caught on. Britt has since the heel turn but was a dud as a face. Nyla I get the impression that she really hasn't caught on with the fans (thats speculation). And before the travel bans you had a lot of women with other commitments. The original idea was a Joshi highlight division and that was a dud. Bea Priestley was gonna be a big part of the division and she was a dud. I also get the impression Nyla just isn't connecting like they hoped she would Again sucks but can improve from that. Learn and grow I think Nyla kept hurting people. Right? Sometimes when you have the "monster", injuries happen. I think of Kong, Nia Jax. I think they're working on her skills on not injuring people. Just my opinion. Like they started to do a Shida-Nyla thing again and it just stopped, they even puy Vickie with her, and then suddenly weeks of silence for both. It seems weird, and I think there must have been a reason.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 8, 2020 12:04:15 GMT -5
The tag tourney winners got an NWA Women's title match in Ivelisse and a match vs both champs in Rosa and Shida. They didn't win but I mean it's hard to say they haven't done anything since, they've been pretty productive. Also imo, it's worse optics to have a women's division and not do anything with it than not have one at all. They care about the girls or the likes of Dustin wouldn't invest so much time into them and Madusa wouldn't be pushing to book them stronger. If they're still doing nothing when the Anniversary show ends I'll throw my hands up and join the crowd of "Ok guys at this point you gotta do something", but if anything is gonna happen with the division in a big way it's gonna be there, including potential returns, which is why I feel they've been slow in doing anything for the past like two-three weeks. I understand the need to want to defend them, but again they are just making the division an afterthought. Can’t keep kicking the can down the road to the next week and the next week and the next week when they now have plenty of talent for the division after all the signings in recent months. Remember all the equal pay, equal opportunity buzzwords they were proclaiming when the company was first announced, it made us think that they’d actually treat the women as meaningful but they’ve done anything but. I get it I do, I just hate to think that AEW truly would think that way when they're so good at building things up that the girls you would hope AEW can turn this around If they're billing the girls for this show and do nothing with them it'll be a cruel joke at this point, I hope that's not the case. The reason I hold out hope is Shanna has been on record saying she's returning soon, which may mean girls like Riho and Yuka could also come back, which would be huge. I hope this is what happens, but we'll see.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 8, 2020 12:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah and to back up my earlier point I just dont think some of the people they wanted earlier to be vocal points really meshed or caught on. Britt has since the heel turn but was a dud as a face. Nyla I get the impression that she really hasn't caught on with the fans (thats speculation). And before the travel bans you had a lot of women with other commitments. The original idea was a Joshi highlight division and that was a dud. Bea Priestley was gonna be a big part of the division and she was a dud. I also get the impression Nyla just isn't connecting like they hoped she would I don't really see evidence of that, myself. Nyla's gotten solid ratings for her segments and was getting very positive crowd reactions when the audiences were around - about the only time she got underwhelming crowd noise was when she had to go on right after, y'know, the greatest match of the year or possibly all time in the middle of Revolution. I've suspected that she was given Vickie partly because Vickie is unlikeable enough to prevent the fans from turning her face. I think Nyla kept hurting people. Right? Sometimes when you have the "monster", injuries happen. I think of Kong, Nia Jax. I think they're working on her skills on not injuring people. Just my opinion. Like they started to do a Shida-Nyla thing again and it just stopped, they even puy Vickie with her, and then suddenly weeks of silence for both. It seems weird, and I think there must have been a reason. Eh? The only injury that can be really traced to Nyla is her landing on Britt's leg, which I would say was more a combination of Britt being out of position and Nyla coming in at a different angle than the standard cannonball spot. If anything, Nyla's been praised as a ring general (being the one to call the four-way with her, Shida, Riho, and Britt). Statlander was hurt off of a bad landing, unless I am remembering incorrectly (research has not turned up the spot that injured her, going to keep looking).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 8, 2020 13:04:17 GMT -5
Yeah and to back up my earlier point I just dont think some of the people they wanted earlier to be vocal points really meshed or caught on. Britt has since the heel turn but was a dud as a face. Nyla I get the impression that she really hasn't caught on with the fans (thats speculation). And before the travel bans you had a lot of women with other commitments. The original idea was a Joshi highlight division and that was a dud. Bea Priestley was gonna be a big part of the division and she was a dud. I also get the impression Nyla just isn't connecting like they hoped she would I don't really see evidence of that, myself. Nyla's gotten solid ratings for her segments and was getting very positive crowd reactions when the audiences were around - about the only time she got underwhelming crowd noise was when she had to go on right after, y'know, the greatest match of the year or possibly all time in the middle of Revolution. I've suspected that she was given Vickie partly because Vickie is unlikeable enough to prevent the fans from turning her face. I think Nyla kept hurting people. Right? Sometimes when you have the "monster", injuries happen. I think of Kong, Nia Jax. I think they're working on her skills on not injuring people. Just my opinion. Like they started to do a Shida-Nyla thing again and it just stopped, they even puy Vickie with her, and then suddenly weeks of silence for both. It seems weird, and I think there must have been a reason. Eh? The only injury that can be really traced to Nyla is her landing on Britt's leg, which I would say was more a combination of Britt being out of position and Nyla coming in at a different angle than the standard cannonball spot. If anything, Nyla's been praised as a ring general (being the one to call the four-way with her, Shida, Riho, and Britt). Statlander was hurt off of a bad landing, unless I am remembering incorrectly (research has not turned up the spot that injured her, going to keep looking). Well like I said I just get the feeling because of how Nyla legit gets yo you'd so much. Yes you can say most of the women are but she is the only one ive seen things just get dropped and no follow up
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 8, 2020 13:13:18 GMT -5
Well like I said I just get the feeling because of how Nyla legit gets yo you'd so much. Yes you can say most of the women are but she is the only one ive seen things just get dropped and no follow up I'd put that down to her being booked as an invincible monster who has run out of opponents who can take the loss. What's she going to do - feud with Big Swole, whom she has already beaten pretty decisively and can't really afford to lose to if she's still got another challenge to Shida coming up? Crush Tay Conti or Serena Deeb right as they are coming in and establishing themselves? Wade into the middle of the Brandi/Anna Jay feud? For an example on the men's side, look at how Lance Archer just floated around meaninglessly after losing to Cody and before winning the Casino Battle Royal. AEW is developing a habit of letting monsters lose direction because they're locked into winning - it's smart in the sense that it's not wasting a resource, but it's unideal because it lets some major stars lose steam. The booking is smart; it's just completely bogged down by self-imposed restrictions. Everyone is being kept from taking losses they can't afford, everyone has a place in the hierarchy that suits her, everyone has a reasonably well-established character. There's just so little time and so few opponents to go around that everyone's in stasis. EDIT: This is a big reason that Shanna returning gets a very "...so?" reaction from me. Yeah, she's good and I like her. That goes for Swole, Deeb, Baker, Rose, Shida, and everyone else who's already there. Shanna's just going to be a higher-caliber wrestler who is not protected, and her losing to everyone else without an angle is going to quickly get just as old as everything else that's going on.
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Post by toodarkmark on Oct 8, 2020 14:32:17 GMT -5
Yeah and to back up my earlier point I just dont think some of the people they wanted earlier to be vocal points really meshed or caught on. Britt has since the heel turn but was a dud as a face. Nyla I get the impression that she really hasn't caught on with the fans (thats speculation). And before the travel bans you had a lot of women with other commitments. The original idea was a Joshi highlight division and that was a dud. Bea Priestley was gonna be a big part of the division and she was a dud. I also get the impression Nyla just isn't connecting like they hoped she would I don't really see evidence of that, myself. Nyla's gotten solid ratings for her segments and was getting very positive crowd reactions when the audiences were around - about the only time she got underwhelming crowd noise was when she had to go on right after, y'know, the greatest match of the year or possibly all time in the middle of Revolution. I've suspected that she was given Vickie partly because Vickie is unlikeable enough to prevent the fans from turning her face. I think Nyla kept hurting people. Right? Sometimes when you have the "monster", injuries happen. I think of Kong, Nia Jax. I think they're working on her skills on not injuring people. Just my opinion. Like they started to do a Shida-Nyla thing again and it just stopped, they even puy Vickie with her, and then suddenly weeks of silence for both. It seems weird, and I think there must have been a reason. Eh? The only injury that can be really traced to Nyla is her landing on Britt's leg, which I would say was more a combination of Britt being out of position and Nyla coming in at a different angle than the standard cannonball spot. If anything, Nyla's been praised as a ring general (being the one to call the four-way with her, Shida, Riho, and Britt). Statlander was hurt off of a bad landing, unless I am remembering incorrectly (research has not turned up the spot that injured her, going to keep looking). Thank you Mr. Bolty. My perception of Nyla was flawed. I guess I just thought she hurt people, but you're right.
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Post by bob on Oct 8, 2020 21:01:47 GMT -5
GLOW was cancelled so that frees up Kong to return
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Post by dpg on Oct 9, 2020 4:36:52 GMT -5
GLOW was cancelled so that frees up Kong to return She is in no shape physically to wrestle again.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 9, 2020 5:25:51 GMT -5
That’s plenty of roster to feature several of these individuals each week. Have them interact in actual storylines too, like Swole and Baker were able to do. It doesn’t just have to be a series of one on one matches featuring Shida. There’s clearly a ton more thought and creativity being put into the other divisions. Right, I was phrasing my answer more in the context of "why the champion isn't on TV each week" since that's my main issue with the division. Of the current prominent women, you have Anna and Brandi in a blood feud, Swole is being built-up, Britt is slowly but surely having regular matches again, and Nyla still ostensibly has her title rematch. You could potentially be building up all of those women, plus Shida, each week, but then you run into the problem of "how do you feature all of them with only two hours of television?" Let's look at last night for example. They could've had Nyla run in on Swole after the match and have Shida make the save, maybe have the Anna/Brandi stuff factor into the dog collar match, but that's about the most I can think of that doesn't involve cutting significant time from any of the other segments, all of which served to progress feuds and storylines (even the masturbatory Jericho stuff at the end advanced the MJF story). The men's roster is way, way bigger than the women's, and other than the champions and top-level guys it's never guaranteed we see any of them each week, so the women are at an even greater disadvantage. So I think they could do more but are also largely bound by only having two hours of TV a week to feature everyone. This is speculation on my part, but I also think part of the issue is they likely took a look at who they had available to them once they got pst the initial stages of the pandemic, planned out a lot of storylines, saw they were going to be going for awhile without many women on hand, and thus didn’t have a lot of stories in mind for them due to the fears of running through programs too quickly when so few were around. Now they want to get through the stories they planned out (e.g. building up Best Friends, the Bucks’ frustrations and subsequent heeling it up, the Omega/Page drama, Dark Order’s rise, etc.) and don’t want to deviate from them when they’ve got one main weekly show to fit it all in. That said, they’ve signed enough new women of late and have gotten through at least the All Out PPV builds, so the time to get the women in position for more stories and feuds is right about now, I’d say. If they intend to use the anniversary show for some kind of soft reboot now that there are more women in the ranks, that’s a good start, but you want to get some more feuds warming up as 2021 and their second weekly show approach.
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