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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 9, 2020 14:28:58 GMT -5
So they announced Shida vs Swole next week on Dynamite.
..I'm really not a fan of having Shida off tv for weeks and announcing her title match on f***ing twitter. =/
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 9, 2020 21:22:04 GMT -5
So they announced Shida vs Swole next week on Dynamite. ..I'm really not a fan of having Shida off tv for weeks and announcing her title match on f***ing twitter. =/ They always do that with the women's matches, I guess as a way for people to check socials to see the announcement. However, they really should have had Swole get the mic after the Deeb match to set it up though, then you don't have to do that at all. It's a great title match though, so I'm excited.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -5
They always do that with the women's matches, I guess as a way for people to check socials to see the announcement. It's a way of burying it because they see it as filler. If it were just trying to keep more eyes on their social media it wouldn't always be the women.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 11, 2020 12:10:51 GMT -5
They always do that with the women's matches, I guess as a way for people to check socials to see the announcement. It's a way of burying it because they see it as filler. If it were just trying to keep more eyes on their social media it wouldn't always be the women. I guess I should be fair and say it isn't always the women's matches, but it has ben recently, along with some others sometimes. But honestly I'm not ready to make that much of a cynical assumption about the division when AEW's shown to care about presentation as much as they have. They jut need ti focus more on it. They have to know the optics don't look good.
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Post by clifford on Oct 11, 2020 14:36:40 GMT -5
Some weeks it seems they are committing to the division, other weeks it seems like they are just having a womens segment to fill the quota and it seems seperate to everything else on the show.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 11, 2020 15:27:34 GMT -5
Consistency is missing in how they book the women week to week
Talent is getting better but they need some focus around them. How many main events have the women gotten for Dynamite in the first year?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 11, 2020 16:58:14 GMT -5
I am done with giving AEW any benefit of the doubt with their women's division. Every time it seems like they're making progress, we end up with the build to their women's title match being a squash match for the challenger and a Twitter announcement.
This is not f***ing good enough, and it hasn't been pretty much all along. The longer this division is a shambles, the longer they're going to need to do it better to make up for it.
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Post by markymark on Oct 13, 2020 17:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 13, 2020 17:20:54 GMT -5
I get the position she's in, but honestly, the ratings are fine when the women are doing something worth watching. They only tank hard for obvious squashes, short segments, and talent that isn't over (Nightmare Sisters)...which is the majority of what we've seen for the past few months. Even the good matches, like Ivelisse vs. Diamante or Thunder Rosa vs. Serena Deeb, have featured talent that has not been properly built or given much to work with.
AEW is doing a lot to indicate to viewers that they should not care, and viewers are following suit.
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Post by chrom on Oct 13, 2020 17:23:11 GMT -5
Ivelisse has been signed so that's another addition.
Them getting booked out of the 9:30 slot would help.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 13, 2020 18:26:07 GMT -5
Ivelisse has been signed so that's another addition. Them getting booked out of the 9:30 slot would help. I liked Moxley's bar promo, but AEW really shouldn't have cut away from Swole beating Deeb as quickly as they did right to that. Swole should have challenged Shida for the title post-match, then Shida comes out and accepts, and have this happen earlier in the show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 13, 2020 19:56:26 GMT -5
Ivelisse has been signed so that's another addition. Them getting booked out of the 9:30 slot would help. I agree, they shouldn't have a set time slot, though with there being a big women's title match it wouldn't even be a bad idea to see that open the show.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 13, 2020 20:40:08 GMT -5
Britt pretty much took a lot of our arguments and voiced them. Despite that though, they need to switch up the timeslots and try to find more opportunities to showcase people like Abadon or Diamante/Ivie. Even if that showcases are vignettes.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 13, 2020 23:58:04 GMT -5
Baker's points are all solid and do make sense from a business end. But they need to present the girls as a big deal for people to keep watching, don't enforce the point that the girls are always in a certain slot for people to potentially tune out. You don't want to fall into patterns. The girls could easily open a show, or be in the first hour as anything else, and they have.
One of my favorite moments this year for the girls was Abadon's surprise return when she smashed Anna Jay and it lead to her Dark Order recruitment, it was a first hour match and segment, that's all you gotta do is stuff like that, and it's gonna work. Vignettes and promos help as well as others have said.
The clear title match they seem to wanna push for Full Gear is Shida vs Nyla pending Shida beating Swole. If that's the case, it's time to start building the undercard, and time to have peeps gunning for the likes of Thunder Rosa as well.
Again, it's not hard, they can do it, and we know they can, we've seen AEW make things a big deal in like a week. It's just a matter of execution and putting the pieces in place.
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Post by Shark on Oct 14, 2020 3:45:36 GMT -5
Baker's points are all solid and do make sense from a business end. But they need to present the girls as a big deal for people to keep watching, don't enforce the point that the girls are always in a certain slot for people to potentially tune out. You don't want to fall into patterns. The girls could easily open a show, or be in the first hour as anything else, and they have. That really is the thing. Once you establish a pattern with viewers, they catch on and follow those patterns. It's then on the company to change that pattern. It isn't even that hard. For all the crap we've rightly given WWE, one of the best things they've done over the years is change the audience's expectations when it comes to their women and give them important angles and segments that get good ratings and great youtube numbers. Are they perfect? Hell no, but it's proof that a company can do it when they try. I think one of the telling aspects of how the women's division is viewed is looking at the toys that came out. First run of toys, selling like crazy. They gave one spot to a woman. They didn't pick one of the 3 champions they've had. They chose Brandi Rhodes for that spot instead. It's a small thing I'll grant you, but it's still interesting. It would be like if WWE came out with their first line of toys in years and the one woman they pick for the line was Stephanie.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 14, 2020 5:48:50 GMT -5
Baker's points are all solid and do make sense from a business end. But they need to present the girls as a big deal for people to keep watching, don't enforce the point that the girls are always in a certain slot for people to potentially tune out. You don't want to fall into patterns. The girls could easily open a show, or be in the first hour as anything else, and they have. That really is the thing. Once you establish a pattern with viewers, they catch on and follow those patterns. It's then on the company to change that pattern. It isn't even that hard. For all the crap we've rightly given WWE, one of the best things they've done over the years is change the audience's expectations when it comes to their women and give them important angles and segments that get good ratings and great youtube numbers. Are they perfect? Hell no, but it's proof that a company can do it when they try. I think one of the telling aspects of how the women's division is viewed is looking at the toys that came out. First run of toys, selling like crazy. They gave one spot to a woman. They didn't pick one of the 3 champions they've had. They chose Brandi Rhodes for that spot instead. It's a small thing I'll grant you, but it's still interesting. It would be like if WWE came out with their first line of toys in years and the one woman they pick for the line was Stephanie. We've been over this but Brandi Rhodes was an emergency pick. Kylie Rae was suppoed to be the first woman toy for AEW as wave 1 was made very early in AEW's life when not a lot of talent was officially signed. Due to Kylie leaving as she did, they went with Brandi, and she still sold very well.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 14, 2020 9:19:39 GMT -5
That really is the thing. Once you establish a pattern with viewers, they catch on and follow those patterns. It's then on the company to change that pattern. It isn't even that hard. For all the crap we've rightly given WWE, one of the best things they've done over the years is change the audience's expectations when it comes to their women and give them important angles and segments that get good ratings and great youtube numbers. Are they perfect? Hell no, but it's proof that a company can do it when they try. I think one of the telling aspects of how the women's division is viewed is looking at the toys that came out. First run of toys, selling like crazy. They gave one spot to a woman. They didn't pick one of the 3 champions they've had. They chose Brandi Rhodes for that spot instead. It's a small thing I'll grant you, but it's still interesting. It would be like if WWE came out with their first line of toys in years and the one woman they pick for the line was Stephanie. We've been over this but Brandi Rhodes was an emergency pick. Kylie Rae was suppoed to be the first woman toy for AEW as wave 1 was made very early in AEW's life when not a lot of talent was officially signed. Due to Kylie leaving as she did, they went with Brandi, and she still sold very well. Right. First wave ended up being the long term people which made sense. If we're not seeing a wave of more women in the lines going forward we can talk but right now it's a non-conversation. And to me, it's less about the tokenism of the 7th quarter being set for women and more the fact the storytelling is unequal to the men's. We have stories like Hangman's amazing journey or the Dark Order's rise, but so far the most complex women's stories have been Swole/Britt and Anna Jay/Brandi. Just telling how much thought isn't going into their stories. Most times it's just "oh hey, the number one contender is finally facing the champ."
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 14, 2020 9:29:45 GMT -5
Baker's points are all solid and do make sense from a business end. But they need to present the girls as a big deal for people to keep watching, don't enforce the point that the girls are always in a certain slot for people to potentially tune out. You don't want to fall into patterns. The girls could easily open a show, or be in the first hour as anything else, and they have. That really is the thing. Once you establish a pattern with viewers, they catch on and follow those patterns. It's then on the company to change that pattern. It isn't even that hard. For all the crap we've rightly given WWE, one of the best things they've done over the years is change the audience's expectations when it comes to their women and give them important angles and segments that get good ratings and great youtube numbers. Are they perfect? Hell no, but it's proof that a company can do it when they try. I think one of the telling aspects of how the women's division is viewed is looking at the toys that came out. First run of toys, selling like crazy. They gave one spot to a woman. They didn't pick one of the 3 champions they've had. They chose Brandi Rhodes for that spot instead. It's a small thing I'll grant you, but it's still interesting. It would be like if WWE came out with their first line of toys in years and the one woman they pick for the line was Stephanie. I know that people are really set on trying to copy paste Stephanie onto Brandi, but they're not the same person in any way, shape, or form. In addition, every other figure in the first wave paired off with another figure. The Bucks go together. Kenny and Jericho was the first main event, and have those attires, so they go together. Cody and Brandi make a shitload of sense through that sense. Like, they could have gone with Riho or something, potentially, but by the time these decisions would have been made, there's not really any telling if they knew Riho or Nyla Rose would be the initial stars of the division. We already know a Kylie Rae figure was at least partly into production before being scrapped, this kind of thing takes many months. I think it was Super 7 that said that a figure often takes like 9 months from the beginning stages to release. Even if Jazwares is faster about it than a more niche collector company like Super 7, it's still probably a long-ass time. There's a reason Hasbro figures rarely are entirely on-model for Marvel films, since they usually need to use concept art since, yeah, it's the only way it's going to come out in-line with the films.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 14, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
I get what Britt is saying but yeah they need to just book it better and not in a certain spot
You were already behind the 8 ball with NXT women division but the thing is with them they will have multiple women segments a night. The top womens program either starts the night or ends it
AEW needs to figure out a formula that works. They are finally getting the talent back but the women need to be presented as a serious option. JR commentary during their bouts doesn't help matters either
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 10:47:45 GMT -5
AEW IMO just do not see the women on their show as a priority and really that is the biggest difference between their women and the NXT women for example.
NXT has multiple segments and matches with the women They will also more often than not main event they are treated as absoloutley important to that show and in turn always are an uptick during their matches and segments.
And they get boss as f*** vingettes to build up all their personalities so not only in matches are they made to feel important and big time but also in those vingettes.
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