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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 15, 2020 10:48:42 GMT -5
Like, what I mean is, we know who the top in ring workers are: Shida, Deeb, Nyla, and when they come back, Kris and Shanna. But even compared to the next tier (Swole, Ivelisse, Britt, Ford, and Conti) there is a huge gap, nevermind the rookies or Allie/Brandi. On the mic, you have: Britt, Swole, Brandi, Nyla, and Vickie. Compared to them, the next tier (Ford, Allie... And I honestly don't know from there), there's still a big gap. Even with time, that's hard to work around. I don't 100% agree with your rankings...but I think you are very correct with the gap in talent and prestige, which also extends to a gap in style. Allie, Brandi, Leva - they all are very much in the mode of valets who happen to wrestle. In some ways, that's unfair to Leva and Allie, but it's 100% how they are presented and how their storyline involvement plays out - even Allie and Brandi teaming with each other grew out of a storyline that is built around male wrestlers, and that has carried over into Brandi's next angle. This means that some of the stronger character workers are actively distanced from the rest of the women. Rebel is in the same vein, just attached to Britt instead. And, that talent gap means that the better wrestlers are locked out of doing much very often. Shida isn't going to have a spectacular match with Allie, nor does Abadon really have much competition to build up her stock against. A lot of why I keep a big list of a dozen plus wrestlers who are out there, on the indies, potentially available to AEW (but of course not guaranteed) - I want to maintain evidence that if they actually wanted to make good television out of the women they have, they could do it. Yeah, it would require a hiring spree, and it would also require building a batch of new wrestlers very quickly - but it would mean that talented workers like Hikaru Shida and Britt Baker have something to stay relevant and possibly have memorable angles. Most of the women available to hire aren't going to have the best match on the card, but there's value in having a good match that builds to something better in the future - and it's a hell of a lot more fun to watch than what we're getting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 10:50:09 GMT -5
Hopefully next week sets up Baker vs. Shida at Full Gear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 10:53:39 GMT -5
Seriously though Katie Forbes is a free agent... :/
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 15, 2020 11:57:27 GMT -5
I think the fixation on match length is barking up the wrong tree. Matches don't need to be super long to be good. As long as the matches are competitive and not squashes, matches being 7-9 minutes is fine. Sprint-style matches can be really fun.
The problem is more the lack of focus and presentation. We had a Britt Baker segment and then just a title match with no build or even hype-up promos. Swole's solid on the stick, so why not use that? It felt more like an exhibition match than a title match. There were at least two-three segments yesterday with the men (tag-team lottery picking, Matt Hardy promo, MJF-Inner Circle promo) that could've been cut short or didn't need to happen on that week's show and could've been used for hype-up time for the match or building angles with the women.
They have a decent roster on hand. Yeah, it's not WWE's or Impact's level, but they can hold their own. They just need to actually use them and build them up.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 15, 2020 12:29:09 GMT -5
I think the fixation on match length is barking up the wrong tree. Matches don't need to be super long to be good. As long as the matches are competitive and not squashes, matches being 7-9 minutes is fine. Sprint-style matches can be really fun. The problem is more the lack of focus and presentation. We had a Britt Baker segment and then just a title match with no build or even hype-up promos. Swole's solid on the stick, so why not use that? It felt more like an exhibition match than a title match. There were at least two-three segments yesterday with the men (tag-team lottery picking, Matt Hardy promo, MJF-Inner Circle promo) that could've been cut short or didn't need to happen on that week's show and could've been used for hype-up time for the match or building angles with the women. They have a decent roster on hand. Yeah, it's not WWE's or Impact's, but they can hold their own. They just need to actually use them and build them up. Yeah, this is my issue. So many times I could point out stuff they could have put on Dark or cut completely where you could have those sit down interviews with some of the women's division. They done stuff like that before, so we know it's not above them to do so. Like, did we need the weird tag team lotto segment? Or more Matt and Sammy trying to literally kill one another? Stuff that could have gone to building the title match up or give promo time to someone like Abadon or Deeb. They're starting to get the talent depth in my opinion, they just need to start including them.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Oct 15, 2020 13:10:35 GMT -5
Didn’t Vickie demand that Shida answer her challenge on Dark and yet Rose is just sitting there angrily in her street clothes from the crowd without any acknowledgement from Shida ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 15:05:44 GMT -5
You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months.
And since Nyla was paired with Vickie 3 months ago she's wrestled a grand total of 5 and a half minutes on television. Someone please just cut 5 minutes off Cody or FTR's weekly matches and give any of the women who aren't Britt a promo to get themselves over or God forbid, a second match.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 15, 2020 16:22:51 GMT -5
You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. And since Nyla was paired with Vickie 3 months ago she's wrestled a grand total of 5 and a half minutes on television. Someone please just cut 5 minutes off Cody or FTR's weekly matches and give any of the women who aren't Britt a promo to get themselves over or God forbid, a second match. Preach, these self-masturbatory matches could indeed be dialed back a bit.
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Post by thewaykokid on Oct 15, 2020 16:41:54 GMT -5
I could see them making there new hour show all Women. They all be the first big promotion to do this. Let the women have there own show. That's a Double-Edged Sword. Even if you have enough women to sustain their own show, and are dedicating the proper time to them, it still looks like you're segregating them away from the men and not promoting them as a Main Draw for the company. Even with good intentions, it's bad optics. They would still share ppv time and im not saying take women off dynamite. Just a show more for the women I guess.
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Post by markymark on Oct 15, 2020 18:48:22 GMT -5
Redemption match? The last time they met in the ring they botched badly...
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Post by Dub H on Oct 15, 2020 18:58:25 GMT -5
You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. And since Nyla was paired with Vickie 3 months ago she's wrestled a grand total of 5 and a half minutes on television. Someone please just cut 5 minutes off Cody or FTR's weekly matches and give any of the women who aren't Britt a promo to get themselves over or God forbid, a second match. At least Cody served a story purpse with the drawn. There is no reason at all we shoukd have a ftr match every damn week instead of time for the women
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:20:01 GMT -5
You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. And since Nyla was paired with Vickie 3 months ago she's wrestled a grand total of 5 and a half minutes on television. Someone please just cut 5 minutes off Cody or FTR's weekly matches and give any of the women who aren't Britt a promo to get themselves over or God forbid, a second match. At least Cody served a story purpse with the drawn. There is no reason at all we shoukd have a ftr match every damn week instead of time for the women I feel like the only point of their run is lose to the Bucks. Hopefully that match is at Full Gear and there won’t be much of this shit.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2020 19:28:24 GMT -5
You know you have a poor division when a sloppy, 8 minute world title match with no build shoved in the death spot before the main event of the show is the best thing to happen in months. And since Nyla was paired with Vickie 3 months ago she's wrestled a grand total of 5 and a half minutes on television. Someone please just cut 5 minutes off Cody or FTR's weekly matches and give any of the women who aren't Britt a promo to get themselves over or God forbid, a second match. At least Cody served a story purpse with the drawn. There is no reason at all we shoukd have a ftr match every damn week instead of time for the women FTR don't have a match this week, it looks like they're actually taking a small break. So I don't think you can really blame it on them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2020 19:30:38 GMT -5
Redemption match? The last time they met in the ring they botched badly... Hey it's what people want right? Get some storylines going, Swole/Ford will be fine. I think these two could work a fine match that doesn't involve Reba.
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Post by chrom on Oct 15, 2020 19:49:38 GMT -5
They could've scrapped the Britt or Matt segment to give the women's title more time
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:57:41 GMT -5
Not sure why they needed all the tag teams to come out to watch a tumbler.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2020 20:09:36 GMT -5
Finally getting around to Dynamite this week
9 mins for a Womens title match on an anniversary show is unacceptable
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 20:10:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 15, 2020 20:35:02 GMT -5
Sadly, I can see AEW getting beaten to the punch on signing most of the standouts who are still available. Holidead, maybe, given she hasn't managed to land anywhere else, or Elayna Black since she's new and just had a solid tryout. Just looking at the names that I am really pulling for (LuFisto, Hyan, Davienne, and Leyla Hirsch), I have to wonder what it would take for them to get a serious look if they haven't already.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 15, 2020 20:43:36 GMT -5
They could've scrapped the Britt or Matt segment to give the women's title more time The Britt Baker segment WAS technically time for the women.
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