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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 23, 2020 0:41:11 GMT -5
Maybe Japan doesn't have the same loophole of travel as Shanna apparently has, it would be nice to get her back if they can They really should look into signing Ellering, she's good. Savoy also pairs immediately with Swole. Seems likely that it's just a cost/benefit analysis. Shanna probably doesn't have a deal back home that is good enough to stay for in comparison to AEW, while Riho and Yuka can stay at home while also making their money.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 23, 2020 0:47:31 GMT -5
Maybe Japan doesn't have the same loophole of travel as Shanna apparently has, it would be nice to get her back if they can They really should look into signing Ellering, she's good. Savoy also pairs immediately with Swole. Seems likely that it's just a cost/benefit analysis. Shanna probably doesn't have a deal back home that is good enough to stay for in comparison to AEW, while Riho and Yuka can stay at home while also making their money. Riho has indeed been wrestling I've seen, not sure what Yuka, Shojo and Emmi Sakura are doing but I assume the same They're essentially gonna come back either when the pandemic lessens enough or if their work in Japan slows enough for them to want to commit to AEW full time till the pandemic lessens. I imagine the former will happen They are beyond lucky Shida moved to Florida for AEW.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 23, 2020 9:07:24 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised? Shida hasn't been on DARK in a long time, actually. You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 23, 2020 12:12:07 GMT -5
Shida hasn't been on DARK in a long time, actually. You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen. So Shida can't appear on DARK then? I didn't miss or ignore anything. Like I want her on Dynamite more too, and yes, she has not been seen as much as she should be seen on the main show lately, but at the very least she's finding some time here to hopefully re-establish herself. DARK isn't a punishment for wrestlers.
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Post by chrom on Oct 23, 2020 12:25:05 GMT -5
It appears Tay will be out as well. Whole division just seems cursed.
They need girls, talented girls stat. Wasn't Shanna suppose to be back in the states by now.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Oct 23, 2020 13:49:30 GMT -5
It appears Tay will be out as well. Whole division just seems cursed. They need girls, talented girls stat. Wasn't Shanna suppose to be back in the states by now. What’s going on with Tay Conti?
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Post by markymark on Oct 23, 2020 13:52:20 GMT -5
It appears Tay will be out as well. Whole division just seems cursed. They need girls, talented girls stat. Wasn't Shanna suppose to be back in the states by now. What’s going on with Tay Conti? {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Ended up at the hospital.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Oct 23, 2020 14:02:59 GMT -5
What’s going on with Tay Conti? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Ended up at the hospital. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Thanks, f***in hell man I love Tay Conti hopefully she's ok.
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Post by Celgress on Oct 23, 2020 14:10:19 GMT -5
You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen. So Shida can't appear on DARK then? I didn't miss or ignore anything. Like I want her on Dynamite more too, and yes, she has not been seen as much as she should be seen on the main show lately, but at the very least she's finding some time here to hopefully re-establish herself. DARK isn't a punishment for wrestlers. Dude, I know you love AEW so do I, but you have to stop making excuses for the company when it screws-up. We both know full well I never meant to say that Shida can't or shouldn't appear on Dark. You are deflecting because no one can honestly defend their shitty booking of the Women's Division.
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Post by chrom on Oct 23, 2020 14:17:03 GMT -5
Shida hasn't been on DARK in a long time, actually. You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen. You'd think Britt was the champion given how she's the only one ever allowed promo time or vignettes. Shida's showing up less often than Riho was during her first reign and they don't have the excuse of her having bookings in Stardom to make up for it. Its like they resent having to put the belt on her even though she's beloved by the fans, made the choice to come to America as well as learn English.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Oct 23, 2020 14:20:05 GMT -5
One thing that frustrates me is how often it feels like Baker gets time that benefits no woman except herself. This is coming off of a long feud with Big Swole where Swole looked good...but the immediate aftermath has just about yanked Swole back to less than she was before it. Swole DID get a shot at the woman's championship shortly after winning this feud, Which she lost in a match that was SHAMEFULLY under promoted, but that angle did generate so much fan interest that the cool, cinematic match went from being on the free opener to being on the main Pay Per view due to popular demand. Like others have said, Britt Baker has been the only lady to consistently be put in focus. I don't know if Britt is coming up with her own material, but if NOT whoever is doing that should direct some of that energy elsewhere. Oddly enough Anna Jay is probably the 2nd most featured Woman and that's been for stuff mainly outside of the women's division: Her appearances on BTE, her interactions with Brandy as part of the Rhodes/Dark Order feud, attempting to get Tay Conti to join D.O. I also wonder what the actual Plan for the Nightmare Collective angle was supposed to be. Clearly they were being set up as the Big Bad stable of the Women's division before AEW listened to the audience and shit canned it.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Oct 23, 2020 14:21:56 GMT -5
I like the women that AEW has, they actually have a really good division that I would put over WWE's. (apart from the Horsewomen of course), but the booking has been generally bad. There isn't much competition for Shida at the moment, so they have to go back to Nyla Rose while Britt gets her wins up. The thing is that Shida can't cut a promo like Britt can, and Britt is the only one that gets attention and focus, so I think the best course of action is to give Britt the gold and have her cut scathing promos every week before and after Shida. From there you develop new storylines around the women. Britt Baker vs Tay Conti is something I would love to see. Then work La Sicaria into the mix with Penelope Ford. What AEW's women really need is a standard bearer like Thunder Rosa to sign and lead the way. Then you'll have Riho, Statlander, and Shanna coming back soon enough and the ball gets rolling. It all starts with Britt Baker, because personally, I think Shida is extremely over-rated. Rosa carried her at All Out.
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Post by markymark on Oct 23, 2020 14:21:56 GMT -5
You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen. You'd think Britt was the champion given how she's the only one ever allowed promo time or vignettes. Shida's showing up less often than Riho was during her first reign and they don't have the excuse of her having bookings in Stardom to make up for it. Its like they resent having to put the belt on her even though she's beloved by the fans, made the choice to come to America as well as learn English. It really seems that they put the belt on Shida because she had momentum back then, and had no idea what to do with her after DON. The Riho complains were more about her size and how she was "killing the business".
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Post by Celgress on Oct 23, 2020 14:22:00 GMT -5
You completely missed or ignored my point. Shida, more importantly, hasn't been on Dynamite that much either as of late (since Spring): hardly any matches, hardly any promos, hardly any backstage segments, nada. Comparing her being on Dark (as someone did earlier in the thread) to Mox's occasional appearances there is disingenuous. The two champions are treated completely differently by the company - one is all over the product whereas the other is hardly seen. You'd think Britt was the champion given how she's the only one ever allowed promo time or vignettes. Shida's showing up less often than Riho was during her first reign and they don't have the excuse of her having bookings in Stardom to make up for it. Its like they resent having to put the belt on her even though she's beloved by the fans, made the choice to come to America as well as learn English. I don't mind Britt getting some focus, however, I do see your point. And it isn't just Shida the whole division is being treated as an afterthought look at poor Nyla. Vickie issued a threat weeks ago on Dark and they haven't been seen since! A friend of mine who hasn't watched Wrestling since he was a kid is now joking the Dynamite Women's spot is the "piss break" segment (same as the Divas were back in the day) because of its placement on the show and meaninglessness each week.
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Post by markymark on Oct 23, 2020 14:23:32 GMT -5
One thing that frustrates me is how often it feels like Baker gets time that benefits no woman except herself. This is coming off of a long feud with Big Swole where Swole looked good...but the immediate aftermath has just about yanked Swole back to less than she was before it. Swole DID get a shot at the woman's championship shortly after winning this feud, Which she lost in a match that was SHAMEFULLY under promoted, but that angle did generate so much fan interest that the cool, cinematic match went from being on the free opener to being on the main Pay Per view due to popular demand. Like others have said, Britt Baker has been the only lady to consistently be put in focus. I don't know if Britt is coming up with her own material, but if NOT whoever is doing that should direct some of that energy elsewhere. Oddly enough Anna Jay is probably the 2nd most featured Woman and that's been for stuff mainly outside of the women's division: Her appearances on BTE, her interactions with Brandy as part of the Rhodes/Dark Order feud, attempting to get Tay Conti to join D.O. I also wonder what the actual Plan for the Nightmare Collective angle was supposed to be.
Clearly they were being set up as the Big Bad stable of the Women's division before AEW listened to the audience and shit canned it.The blowoff match was gonna be Shida, Kris, Swole and Sonny vs Kong, Brandi, Mel and Luther.
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Post by chrom on Oct 23, 2020 14:24:48 GMT -5
You'd think Britt was the champion given how she's the only one ever allowed promo time or vignettes. Shida's showing up less often than Riho was during her first reign and they don't have the excuse of her having bookings in Stardom to make up for it. Its like they resent having to put the belt on her even though she's beloved by the fans, made the choice to come to America as well as learn English. I don't mind Britt getting some focus, however, I do see your point. And it isn't just Shida the whole division is being treated as an afterthought look at poor Nyla. Vickie issued a threat weeks ago on Dark and they haven't been seen since! A friend of mine who hasn't watched Wrestling since he was a kid is now joking the Dynamite Women's spot is the "piss break" segment (same as the Divas were back in the day) because of its placement on the show and meaninglessness each week. He's not wrong sadly
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 23, 2020 14:26:38 GMT -5
So Shida can't appear on DARK then? I didn't miss or ignore anything. Like I want her on Dynamite more too, and yes, she has not been seen as much as she should be seen on the main show lately, but at the very least she's finding some time here to hopefully re-establish herself. DARK isn't a punishment for wrestlers. Dude, I know you love AEW so do I, but you have to stop making excuses for the company when it screws-up. We both know full well I never meant to say that Shida can't or shouldn't appear on Dark. You are deflecting because no one can honestly defend their shitty booking of the Women's Division. It just felt like Shida couldn't win with your comment. I apologize if I took it the wrong way. I'm just glad she's getting time at all at this current moment. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} And given what just happened to Conti on the taped Dynamite, sorry to say, as shitty as the booking may have been lately, when they actively try to get girls on TV, this snakebit shit also keeps happening and it's disheartening to say the least.
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Post by chrom on Oct 23, 2020 14:26:53 GMT -5
You'd think Britt was the champion given how she's the only one ever allowed promo time or vignettes. Shida's showing up less often than Riho was during her first reign and they don't have the excuse of her having bookings in Stardom to make up for it. Its like they resent having to put the belt on her even though she's beloved by the fans, made the choice to come to America as well as learn English. It really seems that they put the belt on Shida because she had momentum back then, and had no idea what to do with her after DON. The Riho complains were more about her size and how she was "killing the business". She said she going to take a cue from Cody and do an open challenge from anyone in the world and yet Thunder Rosa was the only one that happened of it.
No reason they couldn't have done that.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Oct 23, 2020 14:30:28 GMT -5
It really seems that they put the belt on Shida because she had momentum back then, and had no idea what to do with her after DON. The Riho complains were more about her size and how she was "killing the business". She said she going to take a cue from Cody and do an open challenge from anyone in the world and yet Thunder Rosa was the only one that happened of it.
No reason they couldn't have done that.
The problem with this though is that after Rosa, there is no one else on that level except for Tessa Blanchard. It would be very underwhelming to come off of the Rosa/Shida match just to get Shida/Melina for example. Britt is the next logical step and she is in a holding pattern until then. With Britt's promo ability and drastic improvement in the ring, that'll be the feud to get their women's division going in the right direction.
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Post by chrom on Oct 23, 2020 14:32:02 GMT -5
She said she going to take a cue from Cody and do an open challenge from anyone in the world and yet Thunder Rosa was the only one that happened of it.
No reason they couldn't have done that.
The problem with this though is that after Rosa, there is no one else on that level except for Tessa Blanchard. It would be very underwhelming to come off of the Rosa/Shida match just to get Shida/Melina for example. Britt is the next logical step and she is in a holding pattern until then. With Britt's promo ability and drastic improvement in the ring, that'll be the feud to get their women's division going in the right direction. Ivelisse, Diamante, Lil Swole, Rachel Ellering just to name a few who could've challenged her.
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