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Post by markymark on Oct 27, 2020 17:01:54 GMT -5
Really? I didn’t see anything particularly objectionable about it. It was a tribute to a famous rock star. I think most people that complained just thought it didnt fit a heel role. Yep, it looked really off when Emi was a heel, when she was face she was fine(See her reaction at DON 2019).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 27, 2020 17:06:50 GMT -5
It's just nice to hear DDT really wants to get the Joshi back to AEW whenever possible, I would love to see all those girls get time and fill out the roster
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Post by Shark on Oct 27, 2020 18:25:53 GMT -5
All the Joshi's have pretty much connected with the audience. It's why Shida not being used really perplexes me Shida had the least gimmick out of all of them, and I get the vibe that they really don't have a good idea how to develop her while she works to get her English up to promo giving levels. ...but then, they have also not given her interesting in-ring stories or a long enough string of challengers to really do the fighting champion thing that she could be doing (and doing well, with how good she is at selling her challengers' strong suits and characters), so it keeps coming down to the 1. rock bottom priority level assigned to all things women's wrestling and 2. a lack of care in developing actual stories (in-ring or out) for the women. I think if we've learned anything over the last few years, it's that the Joshi's don't need to speak english to get over with American audiences. Asuka got over huge without saying much in English. She literally said 5 words and got over massively. Kairi and Io got over huge without speaking much english. I don't recall Riho or Emi speaking a lot. Honestly, I think Shida has a lot more going for her than the other Joshi's that have come through AEW.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Oct 27, 2020 18:27:48 GMT -5
Funny tweet from a dude who said nobody on TJPW's roster was good enough to wrestle for AEW, lol
Anyway Takagi and DDT have been very vocal about how they consider Kenny family and are happy to let their talent wrestle on AEW shows. Of the specific names listed, Miyu would be great as she is an ace level wrestler and already wrestled Kenny in DDT in the past year, Kamiyu would be good because she speaks fluent English (she went to high school in Ohio, I think), obviously Maki Itoh has an international fan base, and Hikari Noa may be one of the coolest looking wrestlers today.
On the DDT side both Endo and Takeshita are as good as anybody in Japan and would put on great matches.
At some Zoom lecture/interview thing, Kenny said the plan this year pre-pandemic would have been to bring in around 8 joshi. I think TJPW members would have been a given, but Ryo Mizunami said she was going to return and I just imagine Syuri would have made an appearance as well. The problem is that none of these wrestlers are moving over full time, and have other commitments. I think a lot of the problems AEW has with their women's division exist with or without travel restrictions lifted. If they can work out programs and angles where they can sort of have a constant stream/cycle of guest wrestlers and book around their availability, I think they can get better.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 27, 2020 18:52:58 GMT -5
Honestly CPVID really dampened the women's division due to them relying on Joshi. So when things clear up (I'm not holding my breath) the women's division will be filled
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 27, 2020 21:27:00 GMT -5
There's a thread about it but in case this gets seen first, Serena Deeb just won the NWA Women's title from Thunder Rosa tonight
This could free Rosa up to commit to AEW, but it also continues the AEW/NWA partnership with Deeb fully signed to AEW, and now with a championship. This could be a huge way to build Deeb up as a big star for them having that championship with her, and Rosa as a potential star ace for AEW's division opposite the likes of Shida, Baker, Nyla, and even what Deeb could potentially be now if they build it.
This opens up a lot of possibility for the girls. A lot. I hope it does just that.
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Post by The Prince That Was Promised on Oct 27, 2020 21:42:58 GMT -5
There's a thread about it but in case this gets seen first, Serena Deeb just won the NWA Women's title from Thunder Rosa tonight This could free Rosa up to commit to AEW, but it also continues the AEW/NWA partnership with Deeb fully signed to AEW, and now with a championship. This could be a huge way to build Deeb up as a big star for them having that championship with her, and Rosa as a potential star ace for AEW's division opposite the likes of Shida, Baker, Nyla, and even what Deeb could potentially be now if they build it. This opens up a lot of possibility for the girls. A lot. I hope it does just that. If Rosa signs and if Deeb runs around with the NWA tile on AEW that will 100% take the AEW womens division to a new level.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 27, 2020 21:49:20 GMT -5
At some Zoom lecture/interview thing, Kenny said the plan this year pre-pandemic would have been to bring in around 8 joshi. I think TJPW members would have been a given, but Ryo Mizunami said she was going to return and I just imagine Syuri would have made an appearance as well. The problem is that none of these wrestlers are moving over full time, and have other commitments. I think a lot of the problems AEW has with their women's division exist with or without travel restrictions lifted. If they can work out programs and angles where they can sort of have a constant stream/cycle of guest wrestlers and book around their availability, I think they can get better. ...huh. I really don't know how I feel about that. On the one hand, it's good that there was a plan that was obviously thoroughly derailed, and "global pandemic" is the level of thing that can't be prepared for the way a rash of injuries can be. But...seems like a fragile arrangement regardless. They did little to promote Riho when she wasn't around, and giving that treatment to a full ten wrestlers who are coming in and out seems like more of a plan for exhibition matches than for feuds and story arcs. I can't help but feel like we'd be getting mostly what we've gotten, but with longer matches and more workrate. I dunno. It's definitely easy to see why this left them no room to adapt, and I feel like that was a weakness in the setup. It certainly could have been good, though.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 27, 2020 21:52:51 GMT -5
At some Zoom lecture/interview thing, Kenny said the plan this year pre-pandemic would have been to bring in around 8 joshi. I think TJPW members would have been a given, but Ryo Mizunami said she was going to return and I just imagine Syuri would have made an appearance as well. The problem is that none of these wrestlers are moving over full time, and have other commitments. I think a lot of the problems AEW has with their women's division exist with or without travel restrictions lifted. If they can work out programs and angles where they can sort of have a constant stream/cycle of guest wrestlers and book around their availability, I think they can get better. ...huh. I really don't know how I feel about that. On the one hand, it's good that there was a plan that was obviously thoroughly derailed, and "global pandemic" is the level of thing that can't be prepared for the way a rash of injuries can be. But...seems like a fragile arrangement regardless. They did little to promote Riho when she wasn't around, and giving that treatment to a full ten wrestlers who are coming in and out seems like more of a plan for exhibition matches than for feuds and story arcs. I can't help but feel like we'd be getting mostly what we've gotten, but with longer matches and more workrate. I dunno. It's definitely easy to see why this left them no room to adapt, and I feel like that was a weakness in the setup. It certainly could have been good, though. I don't see it as shaky at all, I think once the travel restrictions lift, the Joshi will be back full force, or at least in some capacity so they can fill the division out more
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 27, 2020 21:53:14 GMT -5
There's a thread about it but in case this gets seen first, Serena Deeb just won the NWA Women's title from Thunder Rosa tonight This could free Rosa up to commit to AEW, but it also continues the AEW/NWA partnership with Deeb fully signed to AEW, and now with a championship. This could be a huge way to build Deeb up as a big star for them having that championship with her, and Rosa as a potential star ace for AEW's division opposite the likes of Shida, Baker, Nyla, and even what Deeb could potentially be now if they build it. This opens up a lot of possibility for the girls. A lot. I hope it does just that. If Rosa signs and if Deeb runs around with the NWA tile on AEW that will 100% take the AEW womens division to a new level. It definitely gives us a reason to care about Deeb besides her being good in the ring. She's now, at minimum, someone who has gotten vindication for her first loss in AEW and can call herself one of the best in the business - and also, she has something that Shida wants.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 27, 2020 22:05:54 GMT -5
Per Meltzer, both AEW and WWE are gonna make pitches to sign Rosa. So I guess hold onto your hats for how that turns out.
Here's hoping she goes to AEW, who have already given her a lot, including a mainstay match on a PPV. She'd be an ace there without any doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:39:51 GMT -5
Thunder Rosa vs Deed is happening on that UWN show next week... maybe something will happen then? Well what do you know...
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 27, 2020 23:05:39 GMT -5
Per Meltzer, both AEW and WWE are gonna make pitches to sign Rosa. So I guess hold onto your hats for how that turns out. Here's hoping she goes to AEW, who have already given her a lot, including a mainstay match on a PPV. She'd be an ace there without any doubt. Wwe will back up the Brinks truck for sure. If Tony wants her, he'll have to get near their offer and do some sweet talking contract wise. She'll easily be the big fish in the aew pond, whereas it'll depend on where she ends up in the wwe in terms of her spot. Hoping she comes to aew permanently, she's damn good and adds instant credibility.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 27, 2020 23:37:25 GMT -5
Well, I think we can say that's a start.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 28, 2020 1:05:44 GMT -5
Well, I think we can say that's a start. Yeah Im wondering if they're doing this in place of Tay vs Abadon but regardless both are great wrestlers
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 28, 2020 1:12:34 GMT -5
Well, I think we can say that's a start. Yeah Im wondering if they're doing this in place of Tay vs Abadon but regardless both are great wrestlers It's hard to say if this is a replacement match or was always gonna be on the card because AEW taped last week, and Deeb only officially in canon won the title this week. So they're either doing this match live, taped it recently, or taped it last week and the spoiler threads had to remain tight lipped.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 28, 2020 3:13:01 GMT -5
Well, I think we can say that's a start. Given how the women are so often cordoned off to Dark, yes, this is a start. But if they owe us a dollar, this is half a penny. Time for more waiting and seeing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 28, 2020 3:18:17 GMT -5
Well, I think we can say that's a start. Given how the women are so often cordoned off to Dark, yes, this is a start. But if they owe us a dollar, this is half a penny. Time for more waiting and seeing. Considering we all thought Abadon/Conti was gonna be scrapped and no women's match was gonna be on this weeks card, I'd at least say this is a Dime if they owe us a dollar, especially considering it features a prospect a lot of people are high on, and a championship match Yeah they need to do more of course, but this is promising. Now if they sign Rosa officially too on top of this? I feel like the women's division is really gonna start moving.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 28, 2020 3:27:43 GMT -5
Given how the women are so often cordoned off to Dark, yes, this is a start. But if they owe us a dollar, this is half a penny. Time for more waiting and seeing. Considering we all thought Abadon/Conti was gonna be scrapped and no women's match was gonna be on this weeks card, I'd at least say this is a Dime if they owe us a dollar, especially considering it features a prospect a lot of people are high on, and a championship match Yeah they need to do more of course, but this is promising. Now if they sign Rosa officially too on top of this? I feel like the women's division is really gonna start moving. If they get more than one segment and it isn't at 9.30 I will give you a dime. Unlike WWE, AEW rewards 'wait and see' in all non-women's cases. They have done promising things before.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 28, 2020 3:57:28 GMT -5
I don't get why they don't just do with Shida what they did with Riho. Give her pretaped vignettes. Even if her English isn't great, they can easily do Japanese with English subtitles. I'd much rather see Shida do a pre-taped vignette than Darby Allin play out his Jackass fantasies. Like, say what you will about Riho and Nyla's match to crown the inaugural champion, but at least they had a solid build-up. Nyla was the monster heel who despite her size advantage, had a lot to prove to herself and to a lot of other people. Riho was the sympathetic face who played up being the classic underdog. Or just think outside the box With NXT, when they do stuff with Io it fits his character is a crazy and weird way. She speaks Japanese in a way that emphasizes her craziness while they keep her English promos short and sweet like the one she with Halloween Havoc "Biker chain match, I beat Candice" They can do more to emphasize Shida fighting spirit. Show her training regiment. What's her basic motivation? Stuff that can be easily answered in a 30 second vignette
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